Grandmaster Level - HLG Quantum Boards vs 1000w HPS side by side (youtube)

[since1991]

He's using regular 1000 watt single ended hps lamps in adjust a wings (despite claims with bat wings or adjust a wings - they aren't that efficient. Those open ends make a huge difference - in a negative way). Don't know why he's not or hasn't upgraded to Double Ended hps like Gavita. Its not like he cant afford it. Or doesnt have the ceiling height. And hes got plenty of air conditioning power. Hps de would crush the led panels he used. Guarantee it. For the same 1000 watts of juice..double ended hps is just so much the better lamp. In more ways than just par too. Relamp is a huge factor as well. You just don't need to re bulb as often. The par and lumen meters don't lie.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

He's using regular 1000 watt single ended hps lamps in adjust a wings (despite claims with bat wings or adjust a wings - they aren't that efficient. Those open ends make a huge difference - in a negative way). Don't know why he's not or hasn't upgraded to Double Ended hps like Gavita. Its not like he cant afford it. And hes got plenty of air conditioning power. Hps de would crush the led panels he used. Guarantee it. For the same 1000 watts of juice..double ended hps is just so much the better lamp. In more ways than just par too. Revamp is a huge factor as well. You just don't need to re bulb as often. The par and lumen meters don't lie.

mag/digi ballasts?

 

[since1991]

We'll have to wait for the dry weight before we pop any corks, but to be fair, it isn't like we haven't already seen LED outperform HPS like this. But if the LED wins, it will be nice to have another reference we can offer the unbelievers - though based on past experience, I do fully expect a lot of the HPS boys to just disregard these results because they don't fit their paradigm. But that's okay. If people want to keep spending more than necessary on their electric bill, that's their choice to make.

To be honest..in bigger ops..no I haven't seen much in the way of led vs hps. Especially double ended hps.

 

[since1991]

mag/digi ballasts?

Don't know about that. I would imagine dig. They are slightly more efficient (slightly) compared to coil and core. Way less heat and noise though.

 

[since1991]

on LED, it seemed he averaged about 6.8lbs wet, and HPS was around 6.4 wet. He cut and hung weighted whole plant.

Of course have to take into account trunk thickness difference, branch ratio, if its different under the LED vs HPS.

But even equal, is still a giant win for HLG/LED.

Yep . Even if the hps side got a 20 or 30% more...still it's a no brainer when you take in the wattage. He should post up the final electric costs in light only when he does the true weigh in. That would put it all in perspective.

 

[since1991]

I think it was (not sure)...16,000 watts of single ended hps. And 8500 or 8600 watts of HLG 550's.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

Don't know about that. I would imagine dig. They are slightly more efficient (slightly) compared to coil and core. Way less heat and noise though.

thanks, mag's are dead reliable too, very big pro vs cheap digi.........honestly he should be matching yields vs open wings if that's his setup, but it is a larger grow== never easy

 

[since1991]

thanks, mag's are dead reliable too, very big pro vs cheap digi.........honestly he should be matching yields vs open wings if that's his setup, but it is a larger grow== never easy

When digis first hit the scene..honestly the failure rate was high. They sucked. Like one out of three leaving China would fail after a short time. Whatever they did..they worked out the bugs with them. The 600 watt digo ballast I sold my cousin got 10 years plus easy on them. I ran them non-stop 12/12 for years before I got my Gavitas. And shes doing the same. They are running just like the first day I bought em.

 

[PSUAGRO.]

When digis first hit the scene..honestly the failure rate was high. They sucked. Like one out of three leaving China would fail after a short time. Whatever they did..they worked out the bugs with them. The 600 watt digo ballast I sold my cousin got 10 years plus easy on them. I ran them non-stop 12/12 for years before I got my Gavitas. And shes doing the same. They are running just like the first day I bought em.

I dropped off the hid/growing scene right before the solid(passive cooled) phantoms came out, always used mags and never switched due to the early lumi horror stories......

if gml used 1000w pro de instead vs hlg550 @ half wattage can't match it, no way

 

[Kushash]

Honestly, I don't have any interest in the Solo cup comp. But I do think anyone should be able to use any light they please. That includes LED, HID, fluoros, whatever floats your boat.

Thanks for the reply.
I'm not interested in anyone's desire to play.
I will put you as a yes and only ask anyone once.
If they choose to not respond or to ignore the question I'll put them down as No Response.
It's all good.

 

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[since1991]

I dropped off the hid/growing scene right before the solid(passive cooled) phantoms came out, always used mags and never switched due to the early lumi horror stories......

if gml used 1000w pro de instead vs hlg550 @ half wattage can't match it, no way

Thing is..still the kicker is the wattage input. How much more would de hps get to justify using almost double the wattage? Hell I have no clue. But it would have to be alot. It's the wattage that's the kicker. Once you get over initial sticker shock of a bunch of quality and efficient led panels that is. At anyrate..he really should be doing side by side using de hps. Because he's using pretty much the best of the best latest top of the line pre made led panels.

 

[vertnugs]

Really hoping GML is happy with things once dry.

It's just my 2 cents that the weight will change a bit more than he feels due to as he stated much thicker stalks and branches.

As being brand new to LED myself i'm hoping i'm completely wrong lol.

 

[OneHitDone]

what specific hps gear is gml using vs hlg 550s?.............sorry if mentioned already

Single Ended Hortilux in Adjusta-a-Wings of all things

Looks like he drove the HLG's well but let's see the final results.
Many have noted un-natural stem girth and root growth under led. Does that equate to more flower weight? We shall see

 

[InTheValley]

add the fact his plants are what, 4-5 ft tall, smooshed together.

 

[OneHitDone]

mag/digi ballasts?

Some ballast he is calling a "Quantum" digital but I don't believe it is the Quantum from HydroFarm we see here in the states.

 

[Stephenj37826]

I dropped off the hid/growing scene right before the solid(passive cooled) phantoms came out, always used mags and never switched due to the early lumi horror stories......

if gml used 1000w pro de instead vs hlg550 @ half wattage can't match it, no way

That's correct. It will get a closer with the new boards. Most other led companies are saying 1400 total ppf will do it. (I'll reserve judgment until we test this ourselves). We will be close to 1300 with the same 510 watts. So still pretty damn good in my book.

 

[Humple]

He's using regular 1000 watt single ended hps lamps in adjust a wings (despite claims with bat wings or adjust a wings - they aren't that efficient. Those open ends make a huge difference - in a negative way). Don't know why he's not or hasn't upgraded to Double Ended hps like Gavita. Its not like he cant afford it. Or doesnt have the ceiling height. And hes got plenty of air conditioning power. Hps de would crush the led panels he used. Guarantee it. For the same 1000 watts of juice..double ended hps is just so much the better lamp. In more ways than just par too. Relamp is a huge factor as well. You just don't need to re bulb as often. The par and lumen meters don't lie.

If he were using DEs against the HLG550s, I don't think anyone in their right mind would consider that a fair competition.

 

[Humple]

To be honest..in bigger ops..no I haven't seen much in the way of led vs hps. Especially double ended hps.

How big would the op have to be to persuade? You don't think it could be scaled up from a large room to a warehouse?

 

[Humple]

Thanks for the reply.
I'm not interested in anyone's desire to play.
I will put you as a yes and only ask anyone once.
If they choose to not respond or to ignore the question I'll put them down as No Response.
It's all good.

Just curious - was there some drama over lighting for the Solo cup comp? Were people actually insisting that only LED be used? If so, that's straight bullshit in my opinion.