Humane Execution

[AlecTheGardener]

Another thing, since 1971 one hundred seventeen exonerations. What would have happened if technology hadn't caught up in time for some of these 'murderers?'

They would have been murdered by the state and then only remembered as what? That 'crazy' guy who killed that entire family in cold blood. OH WAIT he was innocent and now dead too? Dang. Guess we missed that one huh?

We'll do better next time I guess huh?

I try to have faith in humanity, but state sponsored murder of people innocent or guilty of anything is completely unacceptable.

Death is not a deterrent.
Death is not intended as a punishment.


It is revenge. Pure and simple.

*edit* I have found with more research that the Narional Academy of Sciences published a great report stating that 4% of current death row inmates are innocent. I also found out that the amount of exonerations is 312 just from DNA testing.
http://m.pnas.org/content/early/2014/04/23/1306417111

 

[Ra$p0tin]

Happens regularly.
Texas is real good at killing black men. Are they saints? Don't know and don't care. Seems to be a serious compassion deficit.
Here (canada) we just lock em up. Not saying we are superior. But we got rid of it as did the majority of developed countries a while back.
I put my cat down in January. He was old and had got very sick. I paid to have primo treatment. He was sedated for an hour. Then the vet stopped his heart. That is humane. This isn't. At the very least they have to be killed humanely. Why? It is not the role of the state to exact revenge. Is it not 'cruel and unusual punishment'? If they were guilty then they will pay for their crimes after death. Why be barbaric? Makes no sense at all to me.
If anyone I loved were murdered I would rather look the murderer in the face and ask him/her why and did they regret it. I would not want them killed. I would rather they have a chance in life to mull it over and seek forgiveness (in a prison, of course).
Preach over
peace

I hear people find God in prison all the time. Till they get released in a lot of cases.

 

[killemsoftly]

I hear people find God in prison all the time. Till they get released in a lot of cases.

i guess you know best

 

[UncleBuck]

Is it the NWO thinning us out?
Obama and his race wars?

 

[Ra$p0tin]

i guess you know best

This was passed on to me from a friend of one of our local judges.

Then again maybe their using it as a ploy to get an early out. I really wouldn't know as I've never been incarcerated. Nor is it even on my bucket list.

 

[Red1966]

I used to think when I was a bit younger that capital punishment was 'just' or deserved. This was before I had ever experienced life! A fucking snot nosed kid just out of high school who knows EVERYTHING of course.

I am barely a decade older, but I have had so much experience since then I have done a complete reversal. Capital punishment is not something I personally condone. Why not?

The 'punishment' serves as NO DETERRENT


Why do we generally as cultivators try to keep that magic 99 limit? Jail time. That is a massive risk, right? Mandatory minimums kick in, fuck that shit! I stay WAY UNDER that shit, I do not want that headache.

But cultivating is a slow process, everything is with a purpose, everything planned. The plant can only grow so quickly. Cultivation is a crime that takes time and planning.

Murder is committed typically is two ways: impulse
Planned

People who plan a murder do not give a fuck about the punishment. This is a person who is a sociopath, does not follow typical societal convention and doesn't accept the social contract the rest of is do daily.

Impulse murders are done 'on a whim,' a husband returning home from work too early one day, a robber intending only to rob nervously squeezed the trigger, etc.

People who are willing to kill are either people at the end of their rope or generally need mental help dude.

Maybe all that was bullshit, you may call it that.

Violence only creates violence, truly.

*edit*. I want to also say that I am against capital punishment for many other reasons, I just chose to focus on that part you had brought up.

"The 'punishment' serves as NO DETERRENT"---Point out just one executed person that has committed a crime afterwards. People who plan murder go to great lengths to avoid getting caught. How is that not concerned about punishment? People kill for money, power, all kinds of reasons. How is that " at the end of their rope or generally need mental help"? You have no clue.

 

[Red1966]

I used to think Amnesty International was a good program in my younger days.
But I'm older now and see so much more violence.
It really doesnt matter which weapon is used, guns, bombs, sticks or stones,
people worldwide are becoming extremists in killing other people.

Is it the NWO thinning us out?
Obama and his race wars?
Everybody seems to take sides and hate prevails like a Jerry Springer episode.
We see it in the Politics thread everyday, and it wasnt like this 10-20 years ago
when we tried to work out problems, not oppose everything the other guy says.

Democrats love 'special interest groups' and that's where the NWO is fucking up.
Some people feel it's OK for them to go shoot up their ex's workplace or whatever.
That shit has to stop!

Execute these people on live TV worldwide.
I think it would curtail violence around the globe.

Just, which is the best way?

p.s. The show must be 15-20 minutes long with 10-15 minutes of commercials (from high paying sponsors).

Will there be cheerleaders and a half-time marching band?

 

[AlecTheGardener]

"The 'punishment' serves as NO DETERRENT"---Point out just one executed person that has committed a crime afterwards. People who plan murder go to great lengths to avoid getting caught. How is that not concerned about punishment? People kill for money, power, all kinds of reasons. How is that " at the end of their rope or generally need mental help"? You have no clue.

I cannot point out anyone who has commuted any crimes or has any connection with this plane of existence after an execution, by definition they are dead.

Point out one innocent person who was executed that they brought back from he dead.

Same numbers: 0


This curious bit of information was gathered by people who have far more degrees and a much longer CV then I:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/...enalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence


TLDR: the amount of homicides commited yearly are actually slightly higher in states with the death penalty. This tell us that the punishment is not an effective deterrent. Otherwise the rates would have skyrocketed overnight when a state stops allowing capital punishment.


Another example:
100 plants mandatory minimums kick in for cannabis cultivation

If that mandatory minimum were officially removed and there was not federal standard I guarantee a lot of growers would promptly go buy themselves a few cases of rapid rooters and get to work THAT DAY.

Why hasn't murder risen in states who refuse to murder their citizens?

The American justice system is unfortunately stuck on being punitive. Again this is why we have more people locked up per capita then . . . Well anybody basically. We only have 5 percent of the worlds population but house almost a quarter of the world prisoners.

Curious.

 

[tightpockt]

there's no such thing as a humane execution.having a death sentence hanging over your head for years is psychologically torturous.
being walked down the hallway to your death must be one of the most traumatic things ever.
Not to mention killing people is wrong. ..right pro-lifers?
Also, waaay more expensive.
And lastly, there's a chance of getting it wrong and killing an innocent person and that is morally unacceptable.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Have we even mentioned cost?

A typical trial where the death sentence is sought costs $1.2 million, cases seeking other penalties cost $740,00. (All averaged)

It costs $90,00 PER YEAR MORE, to house an inmate that has been condemned to death.

Fox News even did an article some time ago about the horrendous drain on state budgets death row inmates are.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/just-cost-death-penalty-killer-state-budgets/

Seems to me that Americans need to learn to forgive, not only for the betterment of themselves but also for their state's pocketbook.

 

[Red1966]

I cannot point out anyone who has commuted any crimes or has any connection with this plane of existence after an execution, by definition they are dead.

Point out one innocent person who was executed that they brought back from he dead.

Same numbers: 0


This curious bit of information was gathered by people who have far more degrees and a much longer CV then I:
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/...enalty-facts/the-death-penalty-and-deterrence


TLDR: the amount of homicides commited yearly are actually slightly higher in states with the death penalty. This tell us that the punishment is not an effective deterrent. Otherwise the rates would have skyrocketed overnight when a state stops allowing capital punishment.


Another example:
100 plants mandatory minimums kick in for cannabis cultivation

If that mandatory minimum were officially removed and there was not federal standard I guarantee a lot of growers would promptly go buy themselves a few cases of rapid rooters and get to work THAT DAY.

Why hasn't murder risen in states who refuse to murder their citizens?

The American justice system is unfortunately stuck on being punitive. Again this is why we have more people locked up per capita then . . . Well anybody basically. We only have 5 percent of the worlds population but house almost a quarter of the world prisoners.

Curious.

If you reply to me, shouldn't you at least address my statements?

"the amount of homicides commited yearly are actually slightly higher in states with the death penalty. This tell us that the punishment is not an effective deterrent." If it is true about homicide rates being higher, that still doesn't prove your conclusion. Once again, name even one executed convict that has gone on to murder, or commit any crime, again.

 

[Red1966]

Have we even mentioned cost?

A typical trial where the death sentence is sought costs $1.2 million, cases seeking other penalties cost $740,00. (All averaged)

It costs $90,00 PER YEAR MORE, to house an inmate that has been condemned to death.

Fox News even did an article some time ago about the horrendous drain on state budgets death row inmates are.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/just-cost-death-penalty-killer-state-budgets/

Seems to me that Americans need to learn to forgive, not only for the betterment of themselves but also for their state's pocketbook.

The only reason it costs so much is because of people like you demanding endless appeals. A speedier execution would solve your complaint.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

If you reply to me, shouldn't you at least address my statements?

"the amount of homicides commited yearly are actually slightly higher in states with the death penalty. This tell us that the punishment is not an effective deterrent." If it is true about homicide rates being higher, that still doesn't prove your conclusion. Once again, name even one executed convict that has gone on to murder, or commit any crime, again.

According to Oxford New English:
deterrent
Syllabification: de·ter·rent
Pronunciation: /diˈtərənt /
NOUN
1A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.
SYNONYMS
1.1A nuclear weapon or weapons system regarded as deterring an enemy from attack.




Now that we have a definition we can continue.


Did you read the link I posted? It was a conglomeration of data published in short essay form. The conclusion of the essay was that killing people does not prevent people from killing others. It does not deter or prevent anyone from wanting to end another.




To address your question: AGAIN, I cannot name one criminal who was executed that did anything ever again. They are dead. Dirt nap. Shuffled off this mortal coil. Deceased. No longer alive.

They can't do shit.


I figured I would respond with the question: how many innocent people executed were brought back to life?

Answer me please. I answered yours. Truly.

*edit, spelling*

 

[tightpockt]

The only reason it costs so much is because of people like you demanding endless appeals. A speedier execution would solve your complaint.

shouldn't we exhaust every possibility and go down every avenue and appeals process when we're talking about -literally- life and death decisions?

 

[Red1966]

According to Oxford New English:
deterrent
Syllabification: de·ter·rent
Pronunciation: /diˈtərənt /
NOUN
1A thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something.
SYNONYMS
1.1A nuclear weapon or weapons system regarded as deterring an enemy from attack.




Now that we have a definition we can continue.


Did you read the link I posted? It was a conglomeration of data published in short essay form. The conclusion of the essay was that killing people does not prevent people from killing others. It does not deter or prevent anyone from wanting to end another.




To address your question: AGAIN, I cannot name one criminal who was executed that did anything ever again. They are dead. Dirt nap. Shuffled off this mortal coil. Deceased. No longer alive.

They can't do shit.


I figured I would respond with the question: how many innocent people executed were brought back to life?

Answer me please. I answered yours. Truly.

*edit, spelling*

How do you reconcile "The conclusion of the essay was that killing people does not prevent people from killing others. It does not deter or prevent anyone from wanting to end another." with "I cannot name one criminal who was executed that did anything ever again. They are dead. Dirt nap. Shuffled off this mortal coil. Deceased. No longer alive.

They can't do shit."?.............. To answer your question: Zero, nada, zip.

 

[tightpockt]

How do you reconcile "The conclusion of the essay was that killing people does not prevent people from killing others. It does not deter or prevent anyone from wanting to end another." with "I cannot name one criminal who was executed that did anything ever again. They are dead. Dirt nap. Shuffled off this mortal coil. Deceased. No longer alive.

They can't do shit."?.............. To answer your question: Zero, nada, zip.

you and I are bouncing between the same threads

You're right. Dead murderers can do no more harm. But, to counter your point. Dead innocents can no longer do good.

 

[Red1966]

shouldn't we exhaust every possibility and go down every avenue and appeals process when we're talking about -literally- life and death decisions?

Most death row inmates die of old age before they are executed. Most of the appeals are nothing more than delaying justice. Death row inmates are put first in line for organ transplants, thus causing the deaths of even more innocents. There's a life and death decision for you.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

Did I miss the interaction? Please clarify your points. I am confused and believe that we may not be understanding each other correctly here.

Miscommunication I believe.


Capital punishment is not a deterrent
It is expensive
It serves only as a form of revenge
It definitely prevents reoffending

 

[Red1966]

you and I are bouncing between the same threads

You're right. Dead murderers can do no more harm. But, to counter your point. Dead innocents can no longer do good.

At least you have valid points. Too many here can do no more than hurl insults and false accusations. Yes, dead innocents can no longer do good, but few. if any, of these people were "innocents". If you look at the records of these men, you find long criminal histories. There was an inmate in Florida convicted of raping and murdering a little girl. While appealing his sentence (not the murder conviction, just the sentence, he bragged about the rape and murder IN COURT), he murdered at least one other convict AND a guard. He used his appeals to mock and torture the parents of his victim. He was beaten to death by guards eventually. They tried the guards, proved they killed him, and the jury acquitted them anyway. He deserved every blow, and then some, that he got.

 

[AlecTheGardener]

At least you have valid points. Too many here can do no more than hurl insults and false accusations. Yes, dead innocents can no longer do good, but few. if any, of these people were "innocents". If you look at the records of these men, you find long criminal histories. There was an inmate in Florida convicted of raping and murdering a little girl. While appealing his sentence (not the murder conviction, just the sentence, he bragged about the rape and murder IN COURT), he murdered at least one other convict AND a guard. He used his appeals to mock and torture the parents of his victim. He was beaten to death by guards eventually. They tried the guards, proved they killed him, and the jury acquitted them anyway. He deserved every blow, and then some, that he got.

Justice is blind.
Emotions have no place when it comes to this topic.

If you have something to address with me please do so, I asked earlier to clear the air.