in your 'personal' view, is possessing seeds and growing plants your right?

[Canna Sylvan]

It's nice to actually believe that we come born with "rights" but it is a wonderful illusion. Millions of Jews came born with the same set of rights, and they were placed very carefully along with their god given inalienable rights into gas chambers. Look carefully at our country, you know, the one that most of us believe is just chock full of rights, so many rights that we need millions of lawyers to sort them out, and compare that full complement of rights to those that we had not 50 years ago, notice a difference? gee, I thought so. what does that mean exactly? perhaps that rights are what we make of them, and more properly what we have our governemnt assign for us. Or did you figure that holding your hands above your head while you are examined before boarding an airline is just par for the american course.

You're hilarious and too much.

 

[LIBERTYCHICKEN]

a 'no' vote is a rare critter around these here parts and i would be interested in closer examination if u dont mind?
ok so how is it a 'privilege' instead of a right?
is there a set of 'standards' u use to determine such?
what exactly is the difference between a 'privilege' and a 'human right'?
in your estimation do u have any right u would consider 'inherent'?

A right is granted by society to its members in order for it to function; a privilege is granted by a group or individual as either a reward for, or conditional upon, good behavior.


Im going to refeer you to a article and ask you to do your own research - Not trying to be a prick , but their is so much great info. at the tip of your fingers that can explain it a hell of alot better than me . Besides in order to understand anything about US law you are going to have to understand the difference . And their is a major difference

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/responsibility.htm

 

[twostrokenut]

Yep, to the extent you don't infringe on me by doing so.....you want to plant some bamboo in the middle of your yard go ahead.....you want to plant it on our fence line, damage my fence and make me rake up your bamboo tid bits? Then Fuck You.

 

[canndo]

See that's the thing
. Lots of people want stand the smell of growing pot. So then what do you do?

 

[LIBERTYCHICKEN]

You could just as eazly say lots of people wont stand the smell of humans / farms / vacant land / ect.

Most smells never hurt anyone

 

[twostrokenut]

Move to a location with like minded neighbors who don't taddle tell on you....I will grow my 6 outside regardless of anyone disliking the smell.....pradford pears blooming smells like jizz....I kid you not... I can't stand the smell but can't tell you honestly you are violating my rights and make you cut them down.

I don't think that even if I were deathly allergic to your roses I could legally force you to nix them but you would because you are nice and would not if you're an ass....no need to make any new laws about it.

 

[twostrokenut]

*bradford

*if I were growing outdoors and neighbors were actually allergic I would accommodate by growing indoors or moving somewhere more respectable.....but if you're obviously from the "weed stinks" crowd and just bitching then fuck off as I bitch about your stinking breath....we all have a right to bitch.

 

[DNAprotection]

Move to a location with like minded neighbors who don't taddle tell on you....I will grow my 6 outside regardless of anyone disliking the smell.....pradford pears blooming smells like jizz....I kid you not... I can't stand the smell but can't tell you honestly you are violating my rights and make you cut them down.

I don't think that even if I were deathly allergic to your roses I could legally force you to nix them but you would because you are nice and would not if you're an ass....no need to make any new laws about it.

lol you must live in lake co cali ...
you should get a whiff of my broccoli patch

 

[DNAprotection]

A right is granted by society to its members in order for it to function; a privilege is granted by a group or individual as either a reward for, or conditional upon, good behavior.


Im going to refeer you to a article and ask you to do your own research - Not trying to be a prick , but their is so much great info. at the tip of your fingers that can explain it a hell of alot better than me . Besides in order to understand anything about US law you are going to have to understand the difference . And their is a major difference

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/responsibility.htm

well that 'rule' of thumb might apply to every other country, but this is 'the great experiment in freedom' bla bla and so technically you are incorrect about the usa constitution as it was conceived to protect 'human rights' or as they say:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men,"

 

[desert dude]

lol oh no wonder u r bothered by my use of 'dead letters' such as u and r and b etc lol...
well to me letters r what we make them lol...and that goes triple for the constitution...
i feel silly telling you this but why is it your corpsgov uses (and gets away with) the term 'human rights' when they are criticizing other countries?
they get away with it because to the rest of the world thats what our constitution supposedly protects lol...
prob is though that folks here tend to think they have 'constitutional rights' and so they read the constitution and assume (as u do) that if the constitution doesnt state a right then it doesnt exist...this of course is in direct conflict with the 9th amendment...
also you either come from a 'creator' or you come from 'nature' or both etc but no matter where you 'believe' you come from the document (dec of ind) states that you come into the world with certain rights already intact and the 9th amen keeps open the 'living' door for you to always reach for them if they are not specifically enumerated etc...
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The US government would sound pretty silly if they criticized other countries for not following the US constitution.

"Human rights", in the context of international diplomacy is a broad brush term to scold other countries, and sometimes the US, for doing things like torture, imprisonment for political reasons, etc.

You misunderstand me. The US constitution is a very limited set of responsibilities and authorities for the US federal government, i.e. it is a LIMITING document on federal power. Everything else is left to the states and to the people. That is what the 9th says and means. I do not think that "if the constitution doesnt state a right then it doesn't exist", I think just the opposite. That is why I believe the war on drugs is unconstitutional, there is no authorization in the constitution for the feds to engage in it. That is why I believe ACA is unconstitutional, and a whole slew of other stuff.

If the federal government obeyed the law, then Washington, DC would be a small town.

 

[desert dude]

It's nice to actually believe that we come born with "rights" but it is a wonderful illusion. Millions of Jews came born with the same set of rights, and they were placed very carefully along with their god given inalienable rights into gas chambers. Look carefully at our country, you know, the one that most of us believe is just chock full of rights, so many rights that we need millions of lawyers to sort them out, and compare that full complement of rights to those that we had not 50 years ago, notice a difference? gee, I thought so. what does that mean exactly? perhaps that rights are what we make of them, and more properly what we have our governemnt assign for us. Or did you figure that holding your hands above your head while you are examined before boarding an airline is just par for the american course.

This is a cynical, and pretty accurate evaluation of the evil coercive, nature of government. That is why the US constitution is the greatest written political document. It is a strict list of limited duties and responsibilities for the federal government. That the federal government ignores the law is a reflection of the nature of humans when they act as a group: greedy, self interested, corrupt.

 

[Rob Roy]

There is nothing wrong with pursuing self interests. The wrong part comes in when your pursuit causes a demonstrable harm to anothers pursuit. Government granting itself immunity removes the proper feedback mechanisms to hold its corruption in check. It will always be so as it is inhererent to the nature of coercive government.

The free market for liberty is the solution to coercive government, as the proper incentives are aligned with peoples self interest pursuits. I think this is the part where I remind the intellectually curious to read my friends of a good friends book, The Market For Liberty, by Linda and Morris Tannehille.

 

[canndo]

my angle is simple canndo, things are really fucked up any way you look at it, the difference is that when i look at it i see a clear and concise path to remedy...some choose surrender and i respect that, its just not an option for me...

Stating the facts is not surrendering, it is.... stating the facts.

 

[canndo]

This is a cynical, and pretty accurate evaluation of the evil coercive, nature of government. That is why the US constitution is the greatest written political document. It is a strict list of limited duties and responsibilities for the federal government. That the federal government ignores the law is a reflection of the nature of humans when they act as a group: greedy, self interested, corrupt.

If that is indeed the case, then the truth is that the constituion DOES confer upon us the rights we have and it is not God but man that offers this firewall between the individual and his government.

 

[desert dude]

If that is indeed the case, then the truth is that the constituion DOES confer upon us the rights we have and it is not God but man that offers this firewall between the individual and his government.

I said nothing about God. The constitution does not confer rights upon individuals, it limits the federal government to a specific set of tasks. The federal government has no authority to grant or deny rights to individuals beyond the scope of the authority granted to the feds. If the constitution is silent on something then the feds have no authority to meddle in that issue, i.e. you have a "right" to grow plants because the constitution does not say you can't.

Your state might make the growing of a plant illegal, that is another matter. This is what "federalism" is all about. The federal government is weak by design, and states are "strong". That is the way the system is supposed to work, but of course it does not work that way because the federal government engages in all kinds of illegal activities.

 

[canndo]

the Federal government may not have that authority bit it does so just the same. Have the Feds been granted the authority, BUt the founding document to imprisson those who grow this plant over that plant? Indeed they have, hence those right we hold to be inalienable... are not and are subject to the government and it's own interpertation of our founding document.. The Constitution confers a single right upon the people, the right to due process.

 

[desert dude]

the Federal government may not have that authority bit it does so just the same. Have the Feds been granted the authority, BUt the founding document to imprisson those who grow this plant over that plant? Indeed they have, hence those right we hold to be inalienable... are not and are subject to the government and it's own interpertation of our founding document.. The Constitution confers a single right upon the people, the right to due process.

That is what I said. The federal government engages in all kinds of illegal activities.

 

[twostrokenut]

the Federal government may not have that authority bit it does so just the same. Have the Feds been granted the authority, BUt the founding document to imprisson those who grow this plant over that plant? Indeed they have, hence those right we hold to be inalienable... are not and are subject to the government and it's own interpertation of our founding document.. The Constitution confers a single right upon the people, the right to due process.

Its a state of mind.....look what prop 215 did in california and how it ultimately laid the smackdown on the issue country wide. The 215 really is no federal protection but it empowered people to openly do it in droves.....droves that cannot be contained federally only at state and local levels....as it should be.

 

[DNAprotection]

Stating the facts is not surrendering, it is.... stating the facts.

oh i get it now thats like when they say its raining while they are pissing on your head?
sorry bro i always keep my umbrella handy

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Piss on my foot and tell me its raining
1. Piss on my foot and tell me its raining
To tell a fabrication in such a way as to be ridiculously transparent; misleading; doing one thing, and purposely mislabeling it; bold face liar

Don't pretend that's as low as the price gets,I know the blue book value of that car, and its about three thousand less than what you want, so don't piss on my foot and tell me its raining! or I saw you kiss her, thats not how cousins kiss, so don't piss on my foot and tell me its raining!

 

[ChesusRice]

I cant wait to get ahold of some Monsanto genetics