Uncle Ben's Topping Technique to Get 2 or 4 Main Colas

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Situation420

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Uncle Ben said:
He reminds me of this auctioneer. Exuberance will get you in deep doo doo!
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Why are you always jerking eachother off on every thread Lmaoo? its like you have to have someone always certify your ideas, just so people will believe that you know what your talking about. I actually know what im talking about rather than just saying pinch this or cut that, I know what happens when you do that and why it happens. Let me briefly explain for you dumbasses that insist that you know everything about plants, and anyone who disagrees with you is automatically wrong.

You ever hear of Abscisic Acid? It is a chemical compound that regulates stem and bud growth and bud and seed dormancy. Abscisic acid is primarily produced in the leaves of the plant inside the chloroplast and it controls hormonal concentration in the apical meristem that alters the last set of leaves in a stem into a leaf covered protection system for the flowers. Even though Abscisic Acid is chemical compound it still functions like a hormone. When it degrades or catobolizes (i think thats how you spell it) it affects the metabolic rates effecting cell growth and the production of other hormones in the plant. When a plant is in its seedling stage, the Abscisic Acid levels are at its highest, then as the plant matures, the Absisic acid levels begin to decline. Once the plant produces offshoots with fully functioning leaves, the Abscisic Acid levels in the plant begin to increase, that slows down growth in more mature areas of the plant.

I think by removing the leaves UB where the Abscisic Acid is produced, you are regulating hormonal concentrations in the plant and can control each stem individually if you want. Or is this too hard for you to understand?

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Uncle Ben said:
Howdy!

Based on quite a few questions about topping I've received here: https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/13820-fimming-topping-101-a-12.html I decided to reproduce a thread on my favorite topping method published at cann.com about 10 years ago.

To get 4 main colas, let your seedling or cutting (clone) grow to about 5-6 nodes and pinch out (cut) the stem just above the 2nd true node. The node where the cotyledons attach doesn't count. The result will be a redistribution of the auxins and other hormones that normally collect in the tissue of the terminal leader's tip. These ho moans will be redistributed to dormant buds that reside in the nodal axis where the leaf petiole attaches to the "trunk", below the cut.
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They way you talk about the "redistribution" is not how auxins behave entirely there is more to it than that. By removing the top portion of the apical meristem you are creating a hormonal imbalance in the plant and removing the concentration of Auxin hormones generally located in areas of new growth. The plant responds by producing more Auxin hormones due to the increase cytokin hormones relative to auxin hormones. This lack of Auxin hormones prevents it from acting as a growth inhibitor to the lower branches of the plant. This imbalance is what causes the newly formed stems to grow more rapidly than the branches that have been cut or pinched or topped.
 
hyroot

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Removing leaves stunts growth. Slows respiration. Which means less exchange of o2 and co2. The more leaves and larger the leaves. The more the plant can transpire. You slow a plants ability to breathe sort of speak and its ability to store energy. You slow its growth. Try a side by side for yourself. See the truth. Quit arguing with bullshit Thats not true.
 
Alexander Supertramp

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hyroot said:
Removing leaves stunts growth. Slows respiration. Which means less exchange of o2 and co2. The more leaves and larger the leaves. The more the plant can transpire. You slow a plants ability to breathe sort of speak and its ability to store energy. You slow its growth. Try a side by side for yourself. See the truth. Quit arguing with bullshit Thats not true.
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He is just young and dumb thats all.
 
Kite High

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Plain and simple. Less resources will lower yield/ growth rate. Leaves produce the resources for growth/production. Less leaves less resources for growth/production.

Defoliation has its purpose but its just not possible for it to increase production. Acids and hormonal interplay from removing leaves will not make up for it. The plant already maximizes resource production by growing leaves and will on its own drop what it doesn't need with alot better judgement than we humans can even hope to muster. I mean why would it grow the leaf if it is not in its best interest?
 
Situation420

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Kite High said:
Plain and simple. Less resources will lower yield/ growth rate. Leaves produce the resources for growth/production. Less leaves less resources for growth/production.

Defoliation has its purpose but its just not possible for it to increase production. Acids and hormonal interplay from removing leaves will not make up for it. The plant already maximizes resource production by growing leaves and will on its own drop what it doesn't need with alot better judgement than we humans can even hope to muster. I mean why would it grow the leaf if it is not in its best interest?
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So when your looking at your plants, and you see that below the canopy that the plants are overgrown and even before flowering, they are choking off air flow and light penetration .Your telling me you would not cut out those overgrown branches inside the plant kite high? (if the option to open up the plant to get more light is not available because of room size)
 
Uncle Ben

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Kite High said:
Plain and simple. Less resources will lower yield/ growth rate. Leaves produce the resources for growth/production. Less leaves less resources for growth/production.

Defoliation has its purpose but its just not possible for it to increase production. Acids and hormonal interplay from removing leaves will not make up for it. The plant already maximizes resource production by growing leaves and will on its own drop what it doesn't need with alot better judgement than we humans can even hope to muster. I mean why would it grow the leaf if it is not in its best interest?
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Defoliation is a sign of mental disease. :)
 
Uncle Ben

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Situation420 said:
So when your looking at your plants, and you see that below the canopy that the plants are overgrown and even before flowering, they are choking off air flow and light penetration .Your telling me you would not cut out those overgrown branches inside the plant kite high? (if the option to open up the plant to get more light is not available because of room size)
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They're are not choking off anything. Did you bother to even look at my plants crammed into a small indoor space? Look, you're young, you're a noob, and with every new crop of noobs that stupid ass discussion on defoliation comes up. When are you forum parrots gonna do a little research and gardening realizing that bud sites (fruit, grape clusters, nuts, etc.) do not need direct light nor are they capable of any degree of photosynthesis?

Red and Far Red light goes thru the canopy, thru the leaves. It's the main spectrum that initiates/controls flowering. Use the search feature here. This topic has been discussed a million times and the science and junk science has been bantered about with every new crop of noobs.

LOOK at the bottom of the plant. Those buds are wider and denser than the top. The buds on these large plants are "shaded" by dark green, healthy leaves, the way it's supposed to be:





And do me a favor, keep this stale topic where it belongs --> https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/692263-defoliation-11.html

This thread is supposed to be about my technique.


thanks,
UB
 

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Thats fine, thats how its supposed to be, Sometimes however there is excess growth in there and you run into problems. Maybe I'm only having these problems because i have more colas on my plants and you never had to deal with this before.
 
Uncle Ben

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Situation420 said:
Thats fine, thats how its supposed to be, Sometimes however there is excess growth in there and you run into problems. Maybe I'm only having these problems because i have more colas on my plants and you never had to deal with this before.
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....and just maybe you don't know what in the hell you're doing.
 
Situation420

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You can trash talk all you want. I completely understand why you guys disagree and feel your frustration when someone whose been growing for 3 years is trying to tell someone with 30 years experience that they are wrong, or not completely right. I get 1900-2200 grams outa a 9' x 8' area and only using 1500 watts of light. Im all about maximizing profit per square foot, and to do this , I need an even canopy, and lots of main colas. Anything 2 feet or lower from the top of the canopy gets removed, like those little buds that only turn into little poofs of bud, and their extra leaves and branches can be removed because they do not contribute to the harvest, just the humidity and lack of air flow through the plants. I know you know what I'm talking about with what I remove and you guys definitely do the same, you just wont admit it or mention it.
 
Alexander Supertramp

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Situation420 said:
You can trash talk all you want. I completely understand why you guys disagree and feel your frustration when someone whose been growing for 3 years is trying to tell someone with 30 years experience that they are wrong, or not completely right. I get 1900-2200 grams outa a 9' x 8' area and only using 1500 watts of light. Im all about maximizing profit per square foot, and to do this , I need an even canopy, and lots of main colas. Anything 2 feet or lower from the top of the canopy gets removed, like those little buds that only turn into little poofs of bud, and their extra leaves and branches can be removed because they do not contribute to the harvest, just the humidity and lack of air flow through the plants. I know you know what I'm talking about with what I remove and you guys definitely do the same, you just wont admit it or mention it.
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Those damn Amish strike again......
 
Kite High

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Situation420 said:
So when your looking at your plants, and you see that below the canopy that the plants are overgrown and even before flowering, they are choking off air flow and light penetration .Your telling me you would not cut out those overgrown branches inside the plant kite high? (if the option to open up the plant to get more light is not available because of room size)
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If you look at my grow pics you will see that this is not something that occurs to my plants. So nope never defoliate and top once when about 2 weeks and then give ail what they want til they done.
 
Situation420

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Kite High said:
If you look at my grow pics you will see that this is not something that occurs to my plants. So nope never defoliate and top once when about 2 weeks and then give ail what they want til they done.
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That is what i would rather have rather than have to cut out all the inner growth that otherwise would leave me with a lot of little poofy and airy nugs instead of my nice dense colas i get by pruning that away. I leave all the leaves on the stems that i am keeping, I never take those off, I only remove offshoots from the main stems that never amount to anything. Do you use light movers? I think this is what is causing my overgrowth inside my plants and that is why you guys dont get that problem.
 
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