cannabineer
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"Can you hear me now?" cn
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"Can you hear me now?" cn
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undertheice
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it's so nice to see that pad is still peddling his same line of crap in my absence. we all get it, pad. religion is an abomination and its followers are all idiots. only enlightened people like you could possibly enjoy the sort of intellect needed to succeed in the modern world. what is truly amazing is that you can find a bunch of sycophants ignorant enough to blindly follow your folly and nod with sage idiocy as you paint entire populations with your broad brush.
i hate to break it to you folks, but the OP is a steaming load to begin with. ancient alien theory and 2012 predictions both run contrary to the teachings of the abrahamic creeds that make up the bulk of western religious thought. the suspicious mind needed to question the politics behind forced vaccination and the climate change scare is completely unrelated to the ability to believe in those things we cannot possibly understand. it is the steady distancing of the elitists of the liberal establishment from the grassroots religious attitudes that are held by the vast majority of their constituents that enables those suspicions to fester. as for the degradation of the english language, look once more to the establishment which proposes a populism born of ignorance. in fact, some correlation may even be found between the decline of religious influence in the western world and the lack of basic language skills among those who profess literacy.
the simple fact is that religion requires only the ability to suspend disbelief, an ability that has been directly linked to intelligence. while radical atheism attempts to paint the religious as ignorant, it sets itself up as the modern inquisition. where torquemada and his ilk once claimed that what they considered heathens were unfit to live and breed, radical atheists now make similar claims, that believers are unfit to make life's decisions, on those who choose to believe differently than themselves. the very sort of intolerance that once led to mass murder and segregation is now being used to make suspect the decisions of those who choose to believe that something greater than themselves is in control of the universe.
you know that i don't number myself among the faithful. i despise the god concept in all its forms, but i find it impossible to fault those who choose the other road. unlike many of you, i don't need to validate my own position by belittling the beliefs of others. mine is good enough for me and that's all that matters. i certainly don't need to invent fictitious correlations to prove how enlightened i am.
i hate to break it to you folks, but the OP is a steaming load to begin with. ancient alien theory and 2012 predictions both run contrary to the teachings of the abrahamic creeds that make up the bulk of western religious thought. the suspicious mind needed to question the politics behind forced vaccination and the climate change scare is completely unrelated to the ability to believe in those things we cannot possibly understand. it is the steady distancing of the elitists of the liberal establishment from the grassroots religious attitudes that are held by the vast majority of their constituents that enables those suspicions to fester. as for the degradation of the english language, look once more to the establishment which proposes a populism born of ignorance. in fact, some correlation may even be found between the decline of religious influence in the western world and the lack of basic language skills among those who profess literacy.
the simple fact is that religion requires only the ability to suspend disbelief, an ability that has been directly linked to intelligence. while radical atheism attempts to paint the religious as ignorant, it sets itself up as the modern inquisition. where torquemada and his ilk once claimed that what they considered heathens were unfit to live and breed, radical atheists now make similar claims, that believers are unfit to make life's decisions, on those who choose to believe differently than themselves. the very sort of intolerance that once led to mass murder and segregation is now being used to make suspect the decisions of those who choose to believe that something greater than themselves is in control of the universe.
you know that i don't number myself among the faithful. i despise the god concept in all its forms, but i find it impossible to fault those who choose the other road. unlike many of you, i don't need to validate my own position by belittling the beliefs of others. mine is good enough for me and that's all that matters. i certainly don't need to invent fictitious correlations to prove how enlightened i am.
st0wandgrow
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It is a broad brush, undertheice ...... but I do believe it takes a certain degree of ignorance to buy in to the bearded man in the clouds story.
There may not be a direct correlation with intelligence, but it's tough to deny the ignorance involved.
There may not be a direct correlation with intelligence, but it's tough to deny the ignorance involved.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Oh ... I dunno ... cn
undertheice
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considering the ignorance shown in the OP, are we supposed to see atheism as requiring ignorance? a vast segment of the world's population revels in its ignorance and stupidity and a majority of our population embraces some religion, that a huge number of the religious should be ignorant buffoons shouldn't come as any great surprise. what is disingenuous is to hold up that number and claim its ignorance is the prerequisite for religious belief. what is dishonest is to hold out a number of the religious who may engage in dubious mythologies or conspiracy theories and claim that the roots of their religious fervor and the roots of their delusions are the same. this is the game played by intolerant atheists and it sickens any thinking man.
Zaehet Strife
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...maybe not ignorance in general. i think more so along the lines of, willed ignorance.
Padawanbater2
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Some days I tend to agree with this
I'm not sure someone can be told, I hope all of us have seen The Matrix, Morpheus explains to Neo "you can't be told what the Matrix is, you have to see it for yourself", the Matrix being a metaphor for atheism, and once you do experience it, there's no going back, that's one of the best visual representations of the experience and they nailed it perfectly.well people just dont like being told that they've been mislead or are stupid and fall for shit... (no matter if it helps them)
I think the defensive reaction comes from not figuring it out on your own, which causes feelings of a kind of intellectual class warfare where it's them v. the people who did figure it out on their own (non believers). Couple that with the spokespeople like Pat Robertson or Bill OReilly whose job it is to misinform (as statistics prove) their viewers, the average person doesn't stand a chance.. Most people are too ignorant to know what's going on or are relatively comfortable with their life.
I'm comfortable saying most religious people also believe at least one of the other claims listed in the OP and it would probably be pretty difficult to find a non believer who believes any of them. I don't think there's anything wrong with pointing out that clear correlation. There's something to be said about it, and it will probably offend some people, unfortunate, but a justified reason towards progress.
Yeah, I'm glad you pointed that out, I misspell certain words sometimes, it's a lot easier to spell if you have spell check on, which 99% of computers on the planet have. Which means (in most cases), dude saw that he misspelled the word, didn't care, and posted anyway. I've even seen it in posts where people are defending their level of education or trying to refute a scientific theory when they have no clue what science or theory means.. The more you get a feel for someone through their posts you get a pretty clear idea of what kind of person you're dealing with, what's likely important to them, what kind of person in general they are. I could probably give a pretty accurate description of at least 10 different people here just from reading the way they write their posts.
It's 'cool' to be intellectually honest with yourself.
I would completely agree
I can count the number of those kinds of people that I know on one hand. In my personal experience, they're pretty rare.
As I said before, whether it's a generalization or not, it doesn't make it any less true. I haven't seen you attempt to counter anything, just more long winded ramblings of the white knight of the poor old persecuted theists. And in case you missed it, each person whose agreed or disagreed with the OP have given their reasons why, so I'm not sure why you think anyone is following anything blindly.
That they run contrary to traditional belief makes little difference to theists. People work on Sunday (Exodus 35:2 "For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death."), shave their beards (Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard")... So let's be honest.. People do what suits them, not what the Bible (or any holy text) says is right.
That religion could be responsible for increasing literacy rates in western civilization is a red herring and irrelevant to the OP. Exactly like saying "science creates nuclear bombs, therefore, science is bad".
I firmly believe that people who believe in traditional religion are ignorant. I also believe the evidence proves it. Just because it may not be politically correct to state it doesn't mean it's false. 99% of people who don't believe in established scientific theories are ignorant of how they actually work. Religion provides an easy way out, where they can simply conclude it's bullshit without ever seeing it for themselves.
This has nothing to do with validation, and that's where you're always wrong. It has to do with living in a world full of ignorant fucks. I believe, and many agree with me, that if those same ignorant fucks, weren't ignorant fucks anymore, the world would be better, which would make people happier, make life better. Why you stand in the way of this goal each and every time I post about it's progression I don't know. I think it's because you don't understand the motives or the actual goals. You just think it's another "fanatical atheists" ramblings not to be taken seriously. You let your ego get in the way of a rational response.
Any unsubstantiated belief that reaches outside your door that inconveniences anyone will be dealt with accordingly. Call it fanatical atheism, call it picking on Christianity, call it whatever you want. It's not wrong to call a stupid person screwing around with a loaded gun stupid, once you understand that simple fact, the better off you will be.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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You talk all this bullshit about progress of humanity and that we need to submit to your way of thinking in order for us to move further as a race... hmmm... Kinda sounds like joho's trying to shove their beliefs in your face. No matter how hard you try to justify your beliefs your still a giant hypocrite for trying to get others to believe in them. You trying to convert a believer into a non believer is no different than a joho knocking on doors asking people to submit to Jesus. If your so convinced that your point of view is the most accurate one then why cant you be content with that? Why do you gotta go around and preach to people about these "truths" you know? All your doing is created more tension and conflict thats not needed, further separating us as a people. Separation slows the progress of humanity and thats all your doing is separating people. Im not religious and the only religions Im against are the ones to do with Jesus but Im not going to go out of my way to reason with these people, because all that does is create separation. Atheism is like a penis, its fine to have it and its fine to be proud of it, just dont whip it out and wave it around in public =p... Its fucking retarded that your a SPIRITUALITY mod when your so against anything spiritual.
BA142
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Story tale Religion's created by man ≠ Spirituality
Two completely different things....
I find it ironic that a lot of Theist's use the catch phrase you used..."Atheism is like a penis, its fine to have it and its fine to be proud of it, just dont whip it out and wave it around in public."....
Then why do we hear about Christian and Muslim BS non stop? I hardly ever hear anything about Atheism on mainstream networks or in the real world....Atheist's are the most criticized group of people in this Religious nation
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Thank you Cpt. Obvious. They are completely different but they both believe in spirit... Pad here is a die hard atheist thats a mod for the spirituality forum.
Zaehet Strife
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^Thank god.... someone has to keep an eye on all the crazies. Hehehe
Chief Walkin Eagle
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I hardly hear religion being spoke about on my mainstream networks, perhaps U.S media is just fucked up that way, you guys are known to have a high concentration of ignorant idiots. Most intelligent theists from the ages of maturity to lets say 30 keep their opinions to themselves. Its the old school die hard church goers and their brainwashed children that preach around.
Padawanbater2
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Where did I say people need to submit to my way of thinking?
Atheism isn't a belief, it's an answer to a question.
I simply point out where I think people are wrong.
I'm not content living in a world full of retards.
Organized religion causes unnecessary conflict and tension. Critical thought, observation, experimentation, and intellectual honesty solves it.
The section is called 'Spirituality, SEXUALITY, & PHILOSOPHY', not just 'Spirituality'.
What I find funny is, I know you're not even sure what you're actually saying, because you can't even define 'spirit' or 'spirituality'.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Oh so your title is not "Spirituality Mod"? ...hmmm... You didnt say people need to follow your way of thinking but that is what you think. You think that everyone needs your point of view of this physical, materialistic world in order for us to move forward as a race. IOW, "Everyone needs to accept that believing in anything that has to do with spirit is idiotic and is hindering the growth of humanity because my observation of this physical, materialistic world tells me theres no such thing as spirit, therefore you should think the same, if not then you are an idiot, only my way of thinking can be productive".
Padawanbater2
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aaah, so now you're in the business of telling other people what they think...
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Well I hear no objections... and I learned this method from Heis =p
Padawanbater2
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You're the last person deserving of any reply
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Because Im right about how you think =)
eye exaggerate
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...Pad, sorry man, but I'm soooo tired of hearing the 'think for yourself' sht. It doesn't work.
tyler.durden
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Works for me, and from what I read it seems to work very well for most of the independent thinkers here. Do you mean that it doesn't work for most?