Will Sessions resign or get fired?
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SouthCross
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No he's not getting fired. His policies in relation to private prisons, Just Say No, revisiting the failed Dare program.
He's a money maker. He makes more then you and therefore he's in his position for as long as he does make more money.
He's a money maker. He makes more then you and therefore he's in his position for as long as he does make more money.
greg nr
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The only thing trumps cares about is sweeping away his ties to Russia and collusion to steal the election.
He doesn't care about MAGA. His definition of it would be much different than yours anyway. His idea of great was the hayday of the robber barons in the 1800's.
Get over it. Even if sessions goes bye-bye, he will be replaced with someone who will still run the drug warz. It will just be quiter and more stealthy, but probably more effective from a screw your pooch perspective.
He doesn't care about MAGA. His definition of it would be much different than yours anyway. His idea of great was the hayday of the robber barons in the 1800's.
Get over it. Even if sessions goes bye-bye, he will be replaced with someone who will still run the drug warz. It will just be quiter and more stealthy, but probably more effective from a screw your pooch perspective.
jonsnow399
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I would like to get him out, but Chris Christy or Guiliani would probably replace him. Like jumping out of the pot into the fire.
No, no..this is going to be long and drawn out before Mueller initiates subpoenas simultaneously..but when he does..
greg nr
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One of three things will happen. Trump will fire him outright. He will die in a plane crash or of a previously undisclosed health issue, or trump will pardon himself and make it all moot.
Regardless of which of those 3 things happens, congress will do nothing. It takes a lot of political force just to start to look at the process to produce articles of impeachment. They don't just take a vote in the house. The speaker is heavily involved in every committee and process leading up to it.
Plus, any congress critter who even voices an opinion leaning towards proceeding will be primaried. They know the power of the tea party. And then there is the senate. Nope, not going to happen even with every dem and indie voting yes. It's 2/3's in the senate, not 60. There ain't no way they are getting 17 r's to vote to impeach.
They won't even get a censure. The political path is dead. The legal path is dead.
st0wandgrow
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1. If he fires him, he's dead in the water.
2. Considering the nature of Muellers business, he probably has protection.
3. He can only pardon himself on his time in office. This is all about BEFORE that time. It's the campaign and money laundering/RICO. The latter is serious jail time. His whole family is going to jail.
jonsnow399
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IF they could impeach him, it wouldn't matter, Pence would replace him and would be worse if thats possible.
greg nr
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If you read the constitution, there is no language to support that claim. He can pardon anyone, for any crime, at any time. Just about EVERY president has pardoned people for crimes committed before they were in office, and many, before they were born.
Which means simply that he can pardon himself, before, during, and even after his time in office. The only thing he can't do is try to stop an impeachment by pardoning someone. The impeachment can still proceed. But impeachment is a political process, not criminal. They can remove him from office without criminal charges.
So he can pardon himself, or anyone else. We need to change that. States can still charge him however. He doesn't have the power of pardon in states, but republican governors do.
jonsnow399
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He can't pardon for "any" crime only federal crimes.
greg nr
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I said that above. But do you think christie would charge him, or not pardon him if he were charged by a rogue da?
NY is probably the best venue to press charges against him, but the governor could/would still pardon him.
greg nr
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So they invited a group that is inherently opposed to MJ reform, created an echo chamber, and have ammo to support what they have already decided.
They aren't asking any reformers or listening in any way. They are collecting talking points.
dandyrandy
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Duck and cover.
'But impeachment.' Let's talk about those words:
So, with all that pardoning going on why would you get impeached? You just pardon yourself?
'But states'. Let's talk about his charges: campaign and money launder/rico..where do you suppose those charges will come from? One hint: NY state
Time.
abandonconflict
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Impeachment does not mean removal from office.
greg nr
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True, but interestingly even being convicted of a felony in state court isn't grounds for removing a president. That can only be done through the process of impeachment.
And, it is far from settled that a state could even prosecute a president while he is in office. So no, that wouldn't remove him. And if you think he would sit in rikers island, fuhgettabout it. A federal jusdge could order he serve the time in a federal facility under secret service protection, like the white house or mira lago. Too many twists and turns there.
And, it is far from settled that a state could even prosecute a president while he is in office. So no, that wouldn't remove him. And if you think he would sit in rikers island, fuhgettabout it. A federal jusdge could order he serve the time in a federal facility under secret service protection, like the white house or mira lago. Too many twists and turns there.