'Why we hate you': ISIS reveal 6 reasons why they despise Westerners

socalcoolmx

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If any of you are serious about understanding what is going on in the middle east Syria and Lebonon,Pakistan I suggest you read Robert Fisk for the truth.Lots of bullshit to sort through and Robert Fisk is the person to help honestly understand the middle east.
 

Ace Yonder

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If any of you are serious about understanding what is going on in the middle east Syria and Lebonon,Pakistan I suggest you read Robert Fisk for the truth.Lots of bullshit to sort through and Robert Fisk is the person to help honestly understand the middle east.
Only if you like your journalism shoddy, subjective, and with a heaping side of factual errors.
 

Ace Yonder

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IS ain't even real Muslims, don't believe their divisive bullshit.

Real Muslims don't:
•Attack other Muslims during Ramadan/Eid
•Bomb Mohammad's tomb

They're two massive red lines that show these fool are only posing as Muslim to justify their crazy.
Isis is not really islamic Isis is someone's tool
This line of reasoning is just a recycled version of "No true Scotsman" designed to protect religion from genuine criticism.
 

SneekyNinja

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This line of reasoning is just a recycled version of "No true Scotsman" designed to protect religion from genuine criticism.
The religion does promote violence, because it's medieval stories by unenlightened and usually illiterate people.

So does Christianity though...

Go read some Old Testament, horrifying shit.

We should treat all religion as cancer, but that still doesn't let ISIS scapegoat themselves as "Muslims".

Read the two points I made above, if you still think a strict adherent of Islam would do those things then you're sadly ignorant of the facts.
 

Ace Yonder

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I don't know anything about Fisk. I looked up his wiki bio after his name was posted, it looks like he has some serious credentials, I was wondering why you hold this opinion?
From a review in the Guardian of his book The Great War for Civilization:
"The book contains a deplorable number of mistakes. Some are amusing: my favourite is when King Hussein's stallion unexpectedly "reared up on her hind legs". Christ was born in Bethlehem, not Jerusalem. Napoleon's army did not burn Moscow, the Russians did. French: meurt means dies, not blooms. Russian: goodbye is do svidanya, not dos vidanya. Farsi: laleh means tulip, not rose. Arabic: catastrophe is nakba not nakhba (which means elite), and many more.

Other mistakes undermine the reader's confidence. Muhammad's nephew Ali was murdered in the 7th century, not the 8th century. Baghdad was never an Ummayad city. The Hashemites are not a Gulf tribe but a Hijaz tribe, as far as you can get from the Gulf and still be in Arabia. The US forward base for the Kuwait war, Dhahran, is not "scarcely 400 miles" from Medina and the Muslim holy places, it is about 700 miles. Britain during the Palestine mandate did not support a Jewish state. The 1939 white paper on Palestine did not "abandon Balfour's promise" (and he was not "Lord Balfour" when he made it). The Iraq revolution of 1958 was not Baathist. Britain did not pour military hardware into Saddam's Iraq for 15 years, or call for an uprising against Saddam in 1991. These last two "mistakes" occasion lengthy Philippics against British policy; others may deserve them, we do not."

He changes facts to suit the narrative he is trying to advance, which makes him little more than a propagandist in my view. I have no tolerance for "journalists" masquerading as historians. His books are not up to par with those of actual historians.
 

Ace Yonder

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The religion does promote violence, because it's medieval stories by unenlightened and usually illiterate people.

So does Christianity though...

Go read some Old Testament, horrifying shit.

We should treat all religion as cancer, but that still doesn't let ISIS scapegoat themselves as "Muslims".

Read the two points I made above, if you still think a strict adherent of Islam would do those things then you're sadly ignorant of the facts.
No, you are mistaken. It is MOSTLY the strict adherents of religion who commit these heinous acts of violence. Fundamentalists follow their holy books pretty much to the letter, and fundamentalists (of all religions) are usually the ones who become violent. Fundamentalist Christians commit domestic terrorism in our own country. It doesn't make them any less of a Christian. The ones who DON'T follow the violent commands of their holy texts are the ones who aren't actually Christians/Muslims. The ones committing these atrocities are the ones who are following exactly what their books say they should do. We SHOULD treat all religion as cancer, and we should acknowledge the effect which that cancer has on infirm and irrational minds. Moderate religious people are just as complicit, because they advance the idea that these books are the direct word of god, so even if the people say "Don't kill people", they are still saying "This book contains the word of God", which creates a situation where "God" is saying to kill people and "People" are saying not to. Who do you think a truly religious person will listen to? The words they believe come from God, or the words they know come from people?
 

SneekyNinja

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No, you are mistaken. It is MOSTLY the strict adherents of religion who commit these heinous acts of violence. Fundamentalists follow their holy books pretty much to the letter, and fundamentalists (of all religions) are usually the ones who become violent. Fundamentalist Christians commit domestic terrorism in our own country. It doesn't make them any less of a Christian. The ones who DON'T follow the violent commands of their holy texts are the ones who aren't actually Christians/Muslims. The ones committing these atrocities are the ones who are following exactly what their books say they should do. We SHOULD treat all religion as cancer, and we should acknowledge the effect which that cancer has on infirm and irrational minds. Moderate religious people are just as complicit, because they advance the idea that these books are the direct word of god, so even if the people say "Don't kill people", they are still saying "This book contains the word of God", which creates a situation where "God" is saying to kill people and "People" are saying not to. Who do you think a truly religious person will listen to? The words they believe come from God, or the words they know come from people?
Blaming an entire religion because of the actions of the 0.2% of their adherents that go full retard on the desert comicbooks is pretty sad.
 

Ace Yonder

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Blaming an entire religion because of the actions of the 0.2% of their adherents that go full retard on the desert comicbooks is pretty sad.
That's like saying that Nazism isn't bad and didn't cause the Holocaust because most average Nazis weren't directly complicit in the Holocaust. Religions have billions of adherents, if they cause 0.2% of their adherents to commit atrocities, that is still tens of millions of people. If religion causes their actions, religion is responsible. End of story. Stop defending that which is indefensible.

Your argument is basically that religious texts are so crazy that people who follow them can't be called religious and the religion is therefore not responsible for them following the direct orders of said religious texts, even though the religion advances the idea that these texts are directly from God and should be followed without question. If I tell a hundred people to shoot you, and 99 of them ignore me, but one of them shoots you, would you say i'm not responsible for you being shot because most people who listened to me ignored that particular command? Or would you say I am responsible because he did exactly what I told him to do?
 
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desert dude

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Isis is busy murdering their way across the ME, taking slaves, raping children, throwing people off of buildings, digging mass graves for their hostages.

That they hate "me" is not real high on the list of things that concern me.
 

Padawanbater2

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Isis is busy murdering their way across the ME, taking slaves, raping children, throwing people off of buildings, digging mass graves for their hostages.

That they hate "me" is not real high on the list of things that concern me.
Understanding why should be
 

UncleBuck

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Not really. The "thinking" of a group of people engaged in those sort of unspeakable acts is irrelevant.
you are aware that their very existence is contingent upon white supremacist shitheads like you who view them as somehow actually representative of islam, rather than a fringe lunatic offshoot that actually shoots up mosques during the holy month of ramadan, right?

speaking of white supremacy and holocaust denial, were you aware that white, right wing extremists with white supremacy ideology like yourself are responsible for the worst atrocity in modern history, the holocaust?

how someone with your violent and extremist ideation can see fit to look down on any other group is beyond me.

hey, remember that one time you joined a white supremacy and holocaust denial group, and then spent months lying to us about your memberhship in it? epic shit.
 

Padawanbater2

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Not really. The "thinking" of a group of people engaged in those sort of unspeakable acts is irrelevant.
"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." -The Art of War, Sun Tzu
 

PCXV

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They kill more Muslims than the west does. ISIS ideology is bullshit and shouldn't exist anywhere, especially outside of its homeland. The west will kill them without blinking because they are a small pathetic pest of a cult. Their morals are not moral in any real sense, and worse they don't even stick to them. ISIS is the epitome of a hypocrital institution.
 

Ace Yonder

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"It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle." -The Art of War, Sun Tzu
You cannot successfully fight a war of words against an ideology without first understanding that ideology. If you can understand what it was that convinced people to believe it, you are one step closer to figuring out what could convince them to disbelieve it.
 

Ace Yonder

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They kill more Muslims than the west does. ISIS ideology is bullshit and shouldn't exist anywhere, especially outside of its homeland. The west will kill them without blinking because they are a small pathetic pest of a cult. Their morals are not moral in any real sense, and worse they don't even stick to them. ISIS is the epitome of a hypocrital institution.
All religion is bullshit and should not exist. Islam isn't doing anything that Christianity hasn't done for hundreds, maybe thousands, of years. Religion is a sickness of the mind, a virus of irrational thought.
 
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