Why should anyone believe in Jesus, God, your religion, etc.?
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tyler.durden
Well-Known Member
We can and have debunked your 'facts'. The problem is that you don't listen and learn. You read the corrections, ignore them, and continue to ask for them as if they were never given. Fucking pointless...
Mad Lab
Active Member
Bottom line, you weren't really ready to ask the first question of this thread, because you weren't ready to hear an answer.
But, I guess you gotta start somewhere.. so I hope this is your start.
Sure Shot
Well-Known Member
Claims require evidence. Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.
Nevaeh420
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Please click on the link below to see most of My evidence.
http://www.theforumsite.com/forum/topic/There-is-a-Man-claiming-to-be-Christ-with-evidence-/482442
Please read through the entire thread above to see most of My evidence.
That link is to My free online autobiography, so read it like a book.
Thanks
~PEACE~
Nevaeh420
Well-Known Member
Which of My FACTS about Myself have you debunked?
You mention that you have debunked Me quite often, but you don't state what you have debunked, so what have you debunked about Me?
As far as I can remember, Kpmarine, pointed out that I didn't fulfill many Bible PROPHECIES, but rather I fulfilled many Bible STORIES. And you, tyler, said I was intellectually dishonest for claiming to see an alien, when I don't know what an alien should look like, so now I say I saw an "alien-like being". Also, I have a theory that the earth is growing, because the earth is absorbing solar radiation, and mass is equal to energy divided by the speed of light squared: and I remember people tried to tell Me My theory was erroneous. Other than these few things, I don't believe anyone can debunk My FACTS about Myself.
What have you debunked about Me, besides these few things?
~PEACE~
Alpha & Omega
Well-Known Member
Yes, I agree, just having belief just isn't enough these days eh? we are meant to be people of science now, not myth.
Proof is the only thing that cures the curiosity but then again, it also killed the cat. as they say.
just out of curiosity tho,,,,if there was 'one or many' amongst us, then why should 'they',,being 'omnipotent' provide evidence?
hence the bible was written in parables. always gives US the choice.
Bad thing? Good Thing? Both I think.
Just my opinion..
tyler.durden
Well-Known Member
Okay, George. Since you are so publicly asking AGAIN, I will bite and go through the exercise with you later tonight. I'll show you your first threads in this subforum where Mindphuk schools you on your apophenia, tearing apart all your coincidences regarding your family names, how BB and others showed you the stupidity of cutting canals into the Earth attempting to bring in ocean water, etc.. I've got a busy day, but we will go through this again, okay? Pay attention this time, apply yourself, Jessie...
tyler.durden
Well-Known Member
This is the first thread I've seen in this subforum -
https://www.rollitup.org/t/i-found-like-a-dozen-videos-of-christ-himself-he-said-that-he-posted-on-here.600992/
I went through a lot of your older threads, and I am now dumber because of it. I've marked down individual post numbers so we can see where the debunking occurs...
From post #195 - I have a notion on how to optimize a star. Why does a planet need to ORBIT around the sun when it could stay in place and spin in place?
If we had nuclear rockets that were big enough than you could create SEASONS by moving planets closer or farther to a star, while spinning in place.
If we did this than we could fit thousands (if not millions) of planets around ONE STAR; without them bumping into eachother!
This is an incredible idea and I just thought of it YESTERDAY; while reading the part of My journal that says "there should be as many planets in the "goldy locks" zone as possible."
This idea opens up so many NEW DEMINSIONS of reality!
We can surround the sun with, maybe, millions of planets BUT the question is "is there enough astroid rocks in the solar system to make so many planets?"
Maybe thats what I'll do, I'll give planets away to people because God is a BIG God; and the more planets, the better! Right?
Post 198 Mindphuk - The orbiting is what gives the planet centripetal force to keep from falling into the sun. How exactly can you situate a massive object in space, without an orbit and keep it from being pulled into the sun?
Post 199 Mindphuk - Seasons are created by the tilt of the earth's axis, not the distance from the sun.
Post #207 - Mindphuk tearing apart another idiotic prophesy...
Post #215 - same
Post #227 - more correction for erroneous facts...
Post #347 is such great debunking, I'll post it in it's entirety -
Nowhere does it say that Christ reborn will have a mother named Mary. There are so many acronyms, many, many people have initials that mean something forward and backward. There are probably thousands of people, maybe 10s of thousands with the same initials GMO.
Olive trees are mentioned in the bible, wow, no kidding, it must be true then. /sarcasm.
The bible is a pretty big book, it mentions a shitload of things. The chance that someone has a name that means something that is also in the bible is pretty fucking high when you consider that there are almost 7 BILLION people!! Do you realize how many 7 billion is? You probably didn't do well math or statistics in school did you? Not only that but considering that people don't have just random names, people actually choose names that mean things, the likelihood that someone has a name that can refer back to the bible and/or Christ, just shot up dramatically.
We know you're fucking nuts but you seem to have some periods of lucidness so listen close. YOUR NAME IS NOT SPECIAL. It doesn't mean you are Christ reborn. This is not evidence. This is delusional reinforcement of your mental illness. It would be as if I said that anyone with the last name King is has special claim to be a ruler. What about people whose name is Lamb, or Logos, Kyrios, Adam, Light, or any derivation of these names. What about Manson (Son of Man- Look what happened to Charlie. Do you want to be like him?).
So please, just stop. Try to think through a little bit when you are on your meds and recognize that you are just playing a little word game that considering the variations and number of languages there are, you can find millions of people that are 'candidates' for being the Christ reborn, yet no one ever said that he will be recognized by his name or that his name means anything. Yeshua was a common name in his time. It didn't mean anything. If there really was a god and there is a new messiah coming, it will be his (or her) actions and deeds that will define who he is, not some contrived attempt to make his name fit some unremarkable coincidences.
Post #364 - good enough to copy and paste -
mindphuk Well-Known Member
Nevaeh420 said: ↑
Now, its Mindphuks turn to find out what the chances are that all these things would happen to Me since he is such a wiz kid and an expert in math.
If you actually took time to think about what I wrote, it doesn't all come down to math and statistics but a basic understanding should have helped you figure it out without me.
As I said, there are almost 7 billion people here. There are 26 letters. Assuming that each have equal probability of appearing in a name (they probably all do not, although X and Z are probably more common in China) we have 26x26x26=17576 combinations of three letters. That means that each three letter combination, assuming completely random distribution, are identical in 398,270 people. So with almost 400,000 people with the initials GMO, it is hardly unique.
First you used all of those 'coincidences' as evidence that you are Christ, now, when I point out problems with this idea, you change and say these things are 'merely icing on the cake.' You are dishonest. There is no evidence. You changed your story when you were caught out. Dishonesty is not something that we would expect in a Christ figure. You are not Christ.
Post #78 - This beautiful post by Heis sums up ALL of your logic fails
I think you have a very lax idea of what counts as evidence. The same standards that are used to discount the evidence of the bible (standards which you support apparently) can be applied to the evidence you have put forth. IOW you seem happy to criticize the mistakes of Christians while overlooking those mistakes in yourself. With that sort of approach you could 'prove' to yourself just about anything you were motivated to.
If your mother was on trial for murder wouldn't you want something more solid than her initials being G.K (guilty killer) or that she likes to drink 'redrum'? What if the prosecutor just had a strong feeling and really believed she was a killer? After all, we can prove that she is alive, trace her birthdate, ect. What if I found a prophecy that a woman with her initials and birthdate would be a monster who kills children? Would you be okay with seeing your mother get the electric chair based on this 'evidence'?
If you choose to be delusional rather than suffer the consequences of the medication that is your business I suppose. But when you disingenuously shout that you have evidence and all you have are half-baked scraps of insanity, you should be prepared to realize that your message is being impressed upon no one.
A thread that logically destroys your idea of an online gov't, skip the beginning crap and read after post #61 - https://www.rollitup.org/t/do-you-think-a-one-world-online-government-is-a-good-idea.665575/page-4
You started this thread AFTER you were corrected by a physics professor -
https://www.rollitup.org/t/georges-theory-on-how-to-move-solar-systems.745340/
Another stupid prophecy debunked, especially on post #18
https://www.rollitup.org/t/king-georges-solution-to-the-tax-problem.753683/
I could go on and on, but I think I've made my case. You come up with a lot of ideas that sound good to you, but you lack the ability to see what's wrong with them, so you ignorantly think they are good ideas. We see this often in small children. When you are corrected by educated others, you often ignore the correction and keep spamming the same erroneous drivel. The bottom line is that since you accomplish so very little irl, you need to base your worth on the ideas you hold. You fool yourself into thinking holding ideas, that you are powerless to bring to fruition (which is a good thing since most of them are retarded), makes you valuable, while in reality it is only action and accomplishment that holds any real value. There are millions of people that have better ideas to improve the world than yourself, and without action or accomplishment, they are no more special than you. I know that this will mean nothing to you, I just wanted members to have a post to reference that will save them time if they ever want to see how and when your facts and logic were debunked, how poorly your mind works, how little you actually know, and your general uselessness...
https://www.rollitup.org/t/i-found-like-a-dozen-videos-of-christ-himself-he-said-that-he-posted-on-here.600992/
I went through a lot of your older threads, and I am now dumber because of it. I've marked down individual post numbers so we can see where the debunking occurs...
From post #195 - I have a notion on how to optimize a star. Why does a planet need to ORBIT around the sun when it could stay in place and spin in place?
If we had nuclear rockets that were big enough than you could create SEASONS by moving planets closer or farther to a star, while spinning in place.
If we did this than we could fit thousands (if not millions) of planets around ONE STAR; without them bumping into eachother!
This is an incredible idea and I just thought of it YESTERDAY; while reading the part of My journal that says "there should be as many planets in the "goldy locks" zone as possible."
This idea opens up so many NEW DEMINSIONS of reality!
We can surround the sun with, maybe, millions of planets BUT the question is "is there enough astroid rocks in the solar system to make so many planets?"
Maybe thats what I'll do, I'll give planets away to people because God is a BIG God; and the more planets, the better! Right?
Post 198 Mindphuk - The orbiting is what gives the planet centripetal force to keep from falling into the sun. How exactly can you situate a massive object in space, without an orbit and keep it from being pulled into the sun?
Post 199 Mindphuk - Seasons are created by the tilt of the earth's axis, not the distance from the sun.
Post #207 - Mindphuk tearing apart another idiotic prophesy...
Post #215 - same
Post #227 - more correction for erroneous facts...
Post #347 is such great debunking, I'll post it in it's entirety -
Nowhere does it say that Christ reborn will have a mother named Mary. There are so many acronyms, many, many people have initials that mean something forward and backward. There are probably thousands of people, maybe 10s of thousands with the same initials GMO.
Olive trees are mentioned in the bible, wow, no kidding, it must be true then. /sarcasm.
The bible is a pretty big book, it mentions a shitload of things. The chance that someone has a name that means something that is also in the bible is pretty fucking high when you consider that there are almost 7 BILLION people!! Do you realize how many 7 billion is? You probably didn't do well math or statistics in school did you? Not only that but considering that people don't have just random names, people actually choose names that mean things, the likelihood that someone has a name that can refer back to the bible and/or Christ, just shot up dramatically.
We know you're fucking nuts but you seem to have some periods of lucidness so listen close. YOUR NAME IS NOT SPECIAL. It doesn't mean you are Christ reborn. This is not evidence. This is delusional reinforcement of your mental illness. It would be as if I said that anyone with the last name King is has special claim to be a ruler. What about people whose name is Lamb, or Logos, Kyrios, Adam, Light, or any derivation of these names. What about Manson (Son of Man- Look what happened to Charlie. Do you want to be like him?).
So please, just stop. Try to think through a little bit when you are on your meds and recognize that you are just playing a little word game that considering the variations and number of languages there are, you can find millions of people that are 'candidates' for being the Christ reborn, yet no one ever said that he will be recognized by his name or that his name means anything. Yeshua was a common name in his time. It didn't mean anything. If there really was a god and there is a new messiah coming, it will be his (or her) actions and deeds that will define who he is, not some contrived attempt to make his name fit some unremarkable coincidences.
Post #364 - good enough to copy and paste -
mindphuk Well-Known Member
Nevaeh420 said: ↑
Now, its Mindphuks turn to find out what the chances are that all these things would happen to Me since he is such a wiz kid and an expert in math.
If you actually took time to think about what I wrote, it doesn't all come down to math and statistics but a basic understanding should have helped you figure it out without me.
As I said, there are almost 7 billion people here. There are 26 letters. Assuming that each have equal probability of appearing in a name (they probably all do not, although X and Z are probably more common in China) we have 26x26x26=17576 combinations of three letters. That means that each three letter combination, assuming completely random distribution, are identical in 398,270 people. So with almost 400,000 people with the initials GMO, it is hardly unique.
First you used all of those 'coincidences' as evidence that you are Christ, now, when I point out problems with this idea, you change and say these things are 'merely icing on the cake.' You are dishonest. There is no evidence. You changed your story when you were caught out. Dishonesty is not something that we would expect in a Christ figure. You are not Christ.
Post #78 - This beautiful post by Heis sums up ALL of your logic fails
I think you have a very lax idea of what counts as evidence. The same standards that are used to discount the evidence of the bible (standards which you support apparently) can be applied to the evidence you have put forth. IOW you seem happy to criticize the mistakes of Christians while overlooking those mistakes in yourself. With that sort of approach you could 'prove' to yourself just about anything you were motivated to.
If your mother was on trial for murder wouldn't you want something more solid than her initials being G.K (guilty killer) or that she likes to drink 'redrum'? What if the prosecutor just had a strong feeling and really believed she was a killer? After all, we can prove that she is alive, trace her birthdate, ect. What if I found a prophecy that a woman with her initials and birthdate would be a monster who kills children? Would you be okay with seeing your mother get the electric chair based on this 'evidence'?
If you choose to be delusional rather than suffer the consequences of the medication that is your business I suppose. But when you disingenuously shout that you have evidence and all you have are half-baked scraps of insanity, you should be prepared to realize that your message is being impressed upon no one.
A thread that logically destroys your idea of an online gov't, skip the beginning crap and read after post #61 - https://www.rollitup.org/t/do-you-think-a-one-world-online-government-is-a-good-idea.665575/page-4
You started this thread AFTER you were corrected by a physics professor -
https://www.rollitup.org/t/georges-theory-on-how-to-move-solar-systems.745340/
Another stupid prophecy debunked, especially on post #18
https://www.rollitup.org/t/king-georges-solution-to-the-tax-problem.753683/
I could go on and on, but I think I've made my case. You come up with a lot of ideas that sound good to you, but you lack the ability to see what's wrong with them, so you ignorantly think they are good ideas. We see this often in small children. When you are corrected by educated others, you often ignore the correction and keep spamming the same erroneous drivel. The bottom line is that since you accomplish so very little irl, you need to base your worth on the ideas you hold. You fool yourself into thinking holding ideas, that you are powerless to bring to fruition (which is a good thing since most of them are retarded), makes you valuable, while in reality it is only action and accomplishment that holds any real value. There are millions of people that have better ideas to improve the world than yourself, and without action or accomplishment, they are no more special than you. I know that this will mean nothing to you, I just wanted members to have a post to reference that will save them time if they ever want to see how and when your facts and logic were debunked, how poorly your mind works, how little you actually know, and your general uselessness...
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Alpha & Omega
Well-Known Member
Your karma did indeed run over his dogma. lol. dang, now that's a burn. Chaos rules. it keeps the balance.
Nevaeh420
Well-Known Member
Excuse Me for sometimes being wrong when thinking outside of the box.This is the first thread I've seen in this subforum -
https://www.rollitup.org/t/i-found-like-a-dozen-videos-of-christ-himself-he-said-that-he-posted-on-here.600992/
I went through a lot of your older threads, and I am now dumber because of it. I've marked down individual post numbers so we can see where the debunking occurs...
From post #195 - I have a notion on how to optimize a star. Why does a planet need to ORBIT around the sun when it could stay in place and spin in place?
If we had nuclear rockets that were big enough than you could create SEASONS by moving planets closer or farther to a star, while spinning in place.
If we did this than we could fit thousands (if not millions) of planets around ONE STAR; without them bumping into eachother!
This is an incredible idea and I just thought of it YESTERDAY; while reading the part of My journal that says "there should be as many planets in the "goldy locks" zone as possible."
This idea opens up so many NEW DEMINSIONS of reality!
We can surround the sun with, maybe, millions of planets BUT the question is "is there enough astroid rocks in the solar system to make so many planets?"
Maybe thats what I'll do, I'll give planets away to people because God is a BIG God; and the more planets, the better! Right?
Post 198 Mindphuk - The orbiting is what gives the planet centripetal force to keep from falling into the sun. How exactly can you situate a massive object in space, without an orbit and keep it from being pulled into the sun?
Post 199 Mindphuk - Seasons are created by the tilt of the earth's axis, not the distance from the sun.
Post #207 - Mindphuk tearing apart another idiotic prophesy...
Post #215 - same
Post #227 - more correction for erroneous facts...
Post #347 is such great debunking, I'll post it in it's entirety -
Nowhere does it say that Christ reborn will have a mother named Mary. There are so many acronyms, many, many people have initials that mean something forward and backward. There are probably thousands of people, maybe 10s of thousands with the same initials GMO.
Olive trees are mentioned in the bible, wow, no kidding, it must be true then. /sarcasm.
The bible is a pretty big book, it mentions a shitload of things. The chance that someone has a name that means something that is also in the bible is pretty fucking high when you consider that there are almost 7 BILLION people!! Do you realize how many 7 billion is? You probably didn't do well math or statistics in school did you? Not only that but considering that people don't have just random names, people actually choose names that mean things, the likelihood that someone has a name that can refer back to the bible and/or Christ, just shot up dramatically.
We know you're fucking nuts but you seem to have some periods of lucidness so listen close. YOUR NAME IS NOT SPECIAL. It doesn't mean you are Christ reborn. This is not evidence. This is delusional reinforcement of your mental illness. It would be as if I said that anyone with the last name King is has special claim to be a ruler. What about people whose name is Lamb, or Logos, Kyrios, Adam, Light, or any derivation of these names. What about Manson (Son of Man- Look what happened to Charlie. Do you want to be like him?).
So please, just stop. Try to think through a little bit when you are on your meds and recognize that you are just playing a little word game that considering the variations and number of languages there are, you can find millions of people that are 'candidates' for being the Christ reborn, yet no one ever said that he will be recognized by his name or that his name means anything. Yeshua was a common name in his time. It didn't mean anything. If there really was a god and there is a new messiah coming, it will be his (or her) actions and deeds that will define who he is, not some contrived attempt to make his name fit some unremarkable coincidences.
Post #364 - good enough to copy and paste -
mindphuk Well-Known Member
Nevaeh420 said: ↑
Now, its Mindphuks turn to find out what the chances are that all these things would happen to Me since he is such a wiz kid and an expert in math.
If you actually took time to think about what I wrote, it doesn't all come down to math and statistics but a basic understanding should have helped you figure it out without me.
As I said, there are almost 7 billion people here. There are 26 letters. Assuming that each have equal probability of appearing in a name (they probably all do not, although X and Z are probably more common in China) we have 26x26x26=17576 combinations of three letters. That means that each three letter combination, assuming completely random distribution, are identical in 398,270 people. So with almost 400,000 people with the initials GMO, it is hardly unique.
First you used all of those 'coincidences' as evidence that you are Christ, now, when I point out problems with this idea, you change and say these things are 'merely icing on the cake.' You are dishonest. There is no evidence. You changed your story when you were caught out. Dishonesty is not something that we would expect in a Christ figure. You are not Christ.
Post #78 - This beautiful post by Heis sums up ALL of your logic fails
I think you have a very lax idea of what counts as evidence. The same standards that are used to discount the evidence of the bible (standards which you support apparently) can be applied to the evidence you have put forth. IOW you seem happy to criticize the mistakes of Christians while overlooking those mistakes in yourself. With that sort of approach you could 'prove' to yourself just about anything you were motivated to.
If your mother was on trial for murder wouldn't you want something more solid than her initials being G.K (guilty killer) or that she likes to drink 'redrum'? What if the prosecutor just had a strong feeling and really believed she was a killer? After all, we can prove that she is alive, trace her birthdate, ect. What if I found a prophecy that a woman with her initials and birthdate would be a monster who kills children? Would you be okay with seeing your mother get the electric chair based on this 'evidence'?
If you choose to be delusional rather than suffer the consequences of the medication that is your business I suppose. But when you disingenuously shout that you have evidence and all you have are half-baked scraps of insanity, you should be prepared to realize that your message is being impressed upon no one.
A thread that logically destroys your idea of an online gov't, skip the beginning crap and read after post #61 - https://www.rollitup.org/t/do-you-think-a-one-world-online-government-is-a-good-idea.665575/page-4
You started this thread AFTER you were corrected by a physics professor -
https://www.rollitup.org/t/georges-theory-on-how-to-move-solar-systems.745340/
Another stupid prophecy debunked, especially on post #18
https://www.rollitup.org/t/king-georges-solution-to-the-tax-problem.753683/
I could go on and on, but I think I've made my case. You come up with a lot of ideas that sound good to you, but you lack the ability to see what's wrong with them, so you ignorantly think they are good ideas. We see this often in small children. When you are corrected by educated others, you often ignore the correction and keep spamming the same erroneous drivel. The bottom line is that since you accomplish so very little irl, you need to base your worth on the ideas you hold. You fool yourself into thinking holding ideas, that you are powerless to bring to fruition (which is a good thing since most of them are retarded), makes you valuable, while in reality it is only action and accomplishment that holds any real value. There are millions of people that have better ideas to improve the world than yourself, and without action or accomplishment, they are no more special than you. I know that this will mean nothing to you, I just wanted members to have a post to reference that will save them time if they ever want to see how and when your facts and logic were debunked, how poorly your mind works, how little you actually know, and your general uselessness...
I try and opine My notions to My "peers", in order to see what other people believe or know, so I can adjust My (layman) theories.
~PEACE~
Nevaeh420
Well-Known Member
That was from like a few years ago, when I was manic from smoking marijuana.
~PEACE~
tyler.durden
Well-Known Member
When you post your own ideas (they are not even CLOSE to being theories, as you've been told many times), they have ALWAYS been wrong. You generally do not adjust you beliefs when corrected, as my last post clearly shows, and as evidenced by the fact that you are STILL touting the same debunked ideas that you were years ago. You asked us to show you when your ideas were debunked, so I gave you what you asked for. My guess is that you will ask again sometime down the road as you don't seem to learn...
That may be true, but there is no difference in you conduct now so what is your point?
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Mad Lab
Active Member
Very well put.
You see the Bible for what it is, but I have a feeling you may not be a Christian A&O, or are you?
What are some of your spiritual beliefs A&O?
Alpha & Omega
Well-Known Member
I like to think that I do see it for what it is, its my choice tho isn't it? as it is yours and everyone's. To interpret and understand it as it was meant to be understood.
That's if its the right version we are reading in the first place tho eh? so I also like history, facts, proof. not a sceptic tho
I like to keep an open mind as its easier to drop something into it..
Religion? I am many religions bro, I like bits from every one.
I Wasn't Christened you see? Left open to be what i wanted to be,
Father was a archaeologist specialising in the Roman Era,. so I sort of realised as I wasn't force fed history etc...that J.C. played a big part in the history of rome etc.. both go hand in hand, History & Religion,, so my basic impressions of 'Christianity' is that if someone who had the power to turn the most powerful empire at that time around to believe in one god instead of their usual many, must of been a vey influential and great man.
But as we know the teachings and writings have been warped and re-written to be used as a object of power over man.
So,
Without opening pandoras box and unleashing a tsunami of religious debate posts, etc..
I find that 'religion' is a more personal thing nowadays and for that reason, I cant label my beliefs with any one religion, or two, not even many.
I just believe in what I feel is right to believe in, reading in between the lines as they say.
And to make my own conclusion's through my own life's experiences whilst also observing others.
Its all about knowledge.
Very Buddhist I know but hey? we all do need some enlightening.
or 'Illuminating' might be the better word. lol.
Mad Lab
Active Member
Well said, again. And yes, we always have a choice.
If I could have summarized my beliefs before doing the born-again thing I think that would have been very close.
What never worked for me was a few things. One being, taking a little from this religion and a little of that, throwing in some buddism and maybe a little Jesus, was that there was no authority in any of it, or most of it. Something called a spiritual buffet or a somewhat universalism approach.
It reminded me of Revelation 13 in the Bible:
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
The ten crowns was signifying different false religions and the fact he held the crown for each. This was the trick the AntiChrist would use to rise to power, universilism and the promise of peace and unity. For it doesnt matter what god the people worship, as long as it's not Jesus Christ. Because although we have a choice, the truth by definition can only be one thing, can we agree? So a spiritual buffet is great for getting along with most belief structures that are not violant but in doing so you may have 1 truth and 99 lies in your buffet.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Like Buddhism, I love the philosophy, not as a religion but a lifestyle. Problem is, if we call it a religion I feel we need authority, and Buddha was just a man, no authority there.
Jesus Christ, another great philosopher. Claimed to be God. So we have authority, now we need to dissect the philosophy and see if there's a possibility. And as you say, JC proved to the world moreso than anyone else, for changing the Roman Empire would have been maybe one the most difficult task in history.
Although, saying the Romans took in Christianity is true and false. They embraced Jesus but not his philosophy. That created their own by twisting the Gospels and adding canons that did not belong. What Jesus called "the devils church" which described those who would take Jesus' theology and use it to create a different religion altogether, one of the worst sins you could commit supposedly, said Jesus. The Roman Empire had to embrace Christianity, but they wanted to use it for bloodshed and war. Roman Catholic church now became the new Roman army really, just doing so in the name of God. Nothing really changed but telling the masses the blood was in the name of God now.
If I could have summarized my beliefs before doing the born-again thing I think that would have been very close.
What never worked for me was a few things. One being, taking a little from this religion and a little of that, throwing in some buddism and maybe a little Jesus, was that there was no authority in any of it, or most of it. Something called a spiritual buffet or a somewhat universalism approach.
It reminded me of Revelation 13 in the Bible:
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
The ten crowns was signifying different false religions and the fact he held the crown for each. This was the trick the AntiChrist would use to rise to power, universilism and the promise of peace and unity. For it doesnt matter what god the people worship, as long as it's not Jesus Christ. Because although we have a choice, the truth by definition can only be one thing, can we agree? So a spiritual buffet is great for getting along with most belief structures that are not violant but in doing so you may have 1 truth and 99 lies in your buffet.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Like Buddhism, I love the philosophy, not as a religion but a lifestyle. Problem is, if we call it a religion I feel we need authority, and Buddha was just a man, no authority there.
Jesus Christ, another great philosopher. Claimed to be God. So we have authority, now we need to dissect the philosophy and see if there's a possibility. And as you say, JC proved to the world moreso than anyone else, for changing the Roman Empire would have been maybe one the most difficult task in history.
Although, saying the Romans took in Christianity is true and false. They embraced Jesus but not his philosophy. That created their own by twisting the Gospels and adding canons that did not belong. What Jesus called "the devils church" which described those who would take Jesus' theology and use it to create a different religion altogether, one of the worst sins you could commit supposedly, said Jesus. The Roman Empire had to embrace Christianity, but they wanted to use it for bloodshed and war. Roman Catholic church now became the new Roman army really, just doing so in the name of God. Nothing really changed but telling the masses the blood was in the name of God now.
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The prophets including Siddhartha were simply philosopher's; like Plato they achieved the height of heights. The Roman Empire did not embrace Jesus they crucified him, and the Pilate washed his hands and sealed his fate Rolling Stones, ultimately sealed the fate of the Roman Empire and the Jews got the blame for everything. What the Romans embraced was what the four men assigned by Constantine to write the gospels wrote by contorting the word of Jesus to mean different things.
"Do not start a religion after me" JC
"Now is the time for humanity to abandon religion" The Dali Lama
One thing I do see is great wisdom and truth in the words of the prophets of each religion, it takes a perceptive reader to decipher the wisdom of the prophets.
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