Why Do People Keep Lying About Proposition 19?

Zig Zag Zane said:

im sorry dankabbott, I was referring to your general disinfo about cannabis, not so much prop 19 though you did have some nutty things to say about it. You know, about how harmful it is, and how it leads to negative things blah blah....and honestly, I am literally on the fence about if you are indeed trolling or being serious with some of your statements.

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Did i say you will die if you smoke weed? I stated facts dude, although not nearly as often as alcohol, people die all the time from car accidents caused by smoking weed.
Smoking ANYTHING CANNOT BE HEALTHY FOR YOU

Again dude, what exactly did I say that was AT ALL QUESTIONABLE?

My question to you: What exactly is positive about "getting fucked up"? Just because you and I enjoy doing it sometimes?

From the side of the supporters, the only positive aspect of Marijuana is something that it has in common with most illegal drugs like Cocaine and Heroin, it has SOME medical benefits to it. Prop 19 needs to put out HONEST ADVERTISEMENTS like a "WE JUST WANT TO GET FUCKED UP" campaign, instead of lying up n down

DankAbbott said:

Did i say you will die if you smoke weed? I stated facts dude, although not nearly as often as alcohol, people die all the time from car accidents caused by smoking weed.
Smoking ANYTHING CANNOT BE HEALTHY FOR YOU

Again dude, what exactly did I say that was AT ALL QUESTIONABLE?

My question to you: What exactly is positive about "getting fucked up"? Just because you and I enjoy doing it sometimes?

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First off where the fuck are these statistics of car accidents caused solely by marijuana smoking, I remember reading statistics a long while ago which obviously showed 0 deaths attributed to marijuana alone, and then their were something like 4 deaths with marijuana listed as a second factor, but I KNOW the number of car collisions caused by marijuana intoxication(which you are grossly exaggerating in the first place) is not even closely significant compared to all the other things in society that wipe hundreds of thousands off our planet everyday...look bro, people hate hypocrisy, this entire thread which I wasnt even going to join in on because it was so trolly, you have been a huge hypocrite!
Second, what the fuck happened to you with POT? you talk about cannabis like you smoked laced shit your first time at 13, tripped balls and got raped. honestly, calm that shit down. As for the smoking, yeah I probably can't hold my breath as long as I used to, but after smoking the stuff for 5 years heavily, thats about it. Everything you said was questionable, you sound like a young kid trying to be WAY too mature, ending up over doing the whole honesty bullshit, your not some super honest weed smoker trying to break all the stoners living a lie, your just lying about shit. People obviously enjoy growing cannabis and smoking its lovely flowers so what is your goal, trying to dictate behavior, so lame and ignorant. Nothing negative has happened to me involving marijuana except being hassled by police. Lastly, when I smoke weed, I dont get fucked up,you get fucked up when you drink booze, usually after smoking some meds(YES MEDS) I just enjoy an either goofy ass conversation with a friend or share a very deep thought provoking conversation with a friend, and what wrong with that? a little relaxation after work, stimulating your mind. And cannabis has most definitely caused me to grow my mind in terms of open mindedness, and I consider that positive, in the end it doesn't matter why the fuck we do what we do, it's our choice, and you have been in the WRONG sir.

I've always thought the better way of stating this would be to ask Society to accept us, and perhaps even grant us protected status as a minority. Sounds silly I know, but the way Society has categorized us as slackers and no-good-nicks is unfair.

I don't really care about anything except that I'm tired of being labelled as a criminal by my own wife just because i choose pot over alcohol - i know for me it's healthier. I also know that Society sees pot smokers the same way they see surfers, as people who aren't productive when they're doing their thing, or not in the same way that society expects. as a stand-up comic once noted: "Something about a man lying down on a couch drives a woman insane."

but as i;ve looked into it i also found out that black men are in prison because of my previous tastes for illegal drugs, and i have survivor's guilt over that. "the war on drugs is bad, m-kay!"

prop 19 stole my lunch money.

I want whatever dankabbot is smoking. I mean I have had shit that nearly tore my head off before, but never anything that made me that retarded.

DankAbbott said:

Dude you're a flakey fuck who wants to legitimize why you do something that causes more harm than good. You are telling people to grow up yet you are like a 12 year old kid who just discovered marijuana and you're pussy is all wet about it. I promise that i don't believe you are smart enough to think about repercussions to society by legalizing drugs, as long as you can smoke the low grade cannabis you grew in your closet to 1/8th of it's potential... then you're a happy retard camper

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A) I don't have to legitimize what I do. It's a PERSONAL choice. One the government has no buisness denying in this case. I formulated my beliefs on this plant through reading and understanding legitimate scientific studies, observation of people and thier behavior while under the influence of nothing but, and finally experimentation to first-hand experience. What are your credentials? .,l,,

B) Saying it does more harm than good is THE MOST IGNORANT thing I have ever heard. You should really do your research. If you plan on telling us you already have (which I know you haven't from the way you speak so... elliquently on the topic) then CITE YOUR SOURCES. Even if you have done it, do it again. Start with Henry Anslinger and his propaganda campiagn motivated by his personal beliefs and his racism towards Mexican immigrant workers. .,l,,

C) I didn't tell anyone to grow up nor would I waste any of the infinite space on the internet telling YOU to grow up. I was simply taking a sarcastic shot at the troll spouting bullshit and piss all over the place. Somebody get this dick a mop and make him clean this shit up. .,l,,

D) My I.Q. (Intellectual Qoutient. I'm sure you lack the mental capacity to figure out what a common knowledge abbreviation stands for.) tested at 154. That was when I was five. As for what would happen to society we already have examples. California has yet to collapse. They haven't seen the L.A. Riots take two yet. STFU with your unfounded speculation. .,l,,

E) I don't grow marijuana because you can get up to life for one plant in Alabama but when our HB 207 passes and I get my card I will mail you a nug of the finest bud you will ever smoke. This isn't plant a seed and add Miracle Gro anymore. This shit is science. Science I know quite well and even if I do run into problems there are plenty of growers on here who are not only more than willing to help but love to help beginners unlike trolling assholes like you. I'm also willing to bet a fair sum of money that more than a few of them have been growing this shit like professionals since before you were born. Any takers? .,l,,

Finally, I wish Padawan would make an appearance. I would love to see him tear through your bullshit. It would be a drastic understatement to say that it would be a waste of time.

Peace.

DankAbbott said:

Did i say you will die if you smoke weed? I stated facts dude, although not nearly as often as alcohol, people die all the time from car accidents caused by smoking weed.

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Just because someone has thc in there system it doesn't mean it caused the accident and I'd love you to show me proof of all of these people dying in car accidents because of marijuana.

Smoking ANYTHING CANNOT BE HEALTHY FOR YOU

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Who says you have to smoke it? There are other ways of ingesting marijuana.

My question to you: What exactly is positive about "getting fucked up"? Just because you and I enjoy doing it sometimes?

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Really? I don't consider smoking herb as getting fucked up and I didn't realize anyone did. Alcohol gets you fucked up, cocaine gets you fucked up, marijuana? Marijuana relieves stress, makes you happy, doesn't impair your motor skills significantly and does it all with minimal side effects without creating a dependency. Stress is the cause of a lot of medical problems and anything that helps is positive in my book.

From the side of the supporters, the only positive aspect of Marijuana is something that it has in common with most illegal drugs like Cocaine and Heroin, it has SOME medical benefits to it. Prop 19 needs to put out HONEST ADVERTISEMENTS like a "WE JUST WANT TO GET FUCKED UP" campaign, instead of lying up n down

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People that support legalization support the right to choose and have control over there lives. They don't need to be treated like children and have the government take control of every aspect of there life.

DankAbbott said:

Did i say you will die if you smoke weed? I stated facts dude, although not nearly as often as alcohol, people die all the time from car accidents caused by smoking weed.
Smoking ANYTHING CANNOT BE HEALTHY FOR YOU

Again dude, what exactly did I say that was AT ALL QUESTIONABLE?

My question to you: What exactly is positive about "getting fucked up"? Just because you and I enjoy doing it sometimes?

From the side of the supporters, the only positive aspect of Marijuana is something that it has in common with most illegal drugs like Cocaine and Heroin, it has SOME medical benefits to it. Prop 19 needs to put out HONEST ADVERTISEMENTS like a "WE JUST WANT TO GET FUCKED UP" campaign, instead of lying up n down

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Again, your research is limited.

I've done the reading.

Nearly EVERY Cannabis related accident included other substances, like beer.

Most folks, using only Marijuana, would have a hard time driving over 30 MPH.

Do your homework.

It won't matter one Bit if prop 19 passes and I'll tell you why in one word,ARIZONA
they passed a law that the feds didn't agree with,so the feds trumped it. they will do the same if 19 passes, so all points on either side really are pointless.

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

It won't matter one Bit if prop 19 passes and I'll tell you why in one word,ARIZONA
they passed a law that the feds didn't agree with,so the feds trumped it. they will do the same if 19 passes, so all points on either side really are pointless.

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Not actually.... It would lead to a Supreme court challenge of States rights. Other states will empathize with California, as it will be seen as the Fed overstepping boundries. If enough states follow, The DoJ will have no choice but to pull MJ from the schedule one list, especially since the Health and Human Services department of the government holds a patent, issued in 1999, for the medical use of marijuana. In it's application, the U.S. Government cited studies and declared that Marijuana does indeed have medicinal value. That patent, and a good lawyer, in front of the right judge, will be the end of MJ on schedule one.

And to the idiots that claim MJ is a gateway drug, I started smoking cigarettes when I was 13, because my parents smoked. I didn't get the nerve up to try Mary J until I was almost 15. Cigarettes are more than likely a bigger gateway than MJ ever will be.

prop 19 ate all the cat food again.

Serapis said:

Not actually.... It would lead to a Supreme court challenge of States rights. Other states will empathize with California, as it will be seen as the Fed overstepping boundries. If enough states follow, The DoJ will have no choice but to pull MJ from the schedule one list, especially since the Health and Human Services department of the government holds a patent, issued in 1999, for the medical use of marijuana. In it's application, the U.S. Government cited studies and declared that Marijuana does indeed have medicinal value. That patent, and a good lawyer, in front of the right judge, will be the end of MJ on schedule one.

And to the idiots that claim MJ is a gateway drug, I started smoking cigarettes when I was 13, because my parents smoked. I didn't get the nerve up to try Mary J until I was almost 15. Cigarettes are more than likely a bigger gateway than MJ ever will be.

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Getting MJ off of schedule 1 at the fed level would be a MUCH bigger step toward ending the drug war than prop 19. Prop 19 is a good step in the right direction though. If passed it will put a lot of pressure on the feds on several constitutional fronts.

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

It won't matter one Bit if prop 19 passes and I'll tell you why in one word,ARIZONA
they passed a law that the feds didn't agree with,so the feds trumped it. they will do the same if 19 passes, so all points on either side really are pointless.

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Let's see, the feds sued to stop Arizona FROM enforcing federal law. Now they threaten to sue California for NOT enforcing federal law. I don't think that will fly, in fact I don't even think they will try to make it fly.

desert dude said:

Let's see, the feds sued to stop Arizona FROM enforcing federal law. Now they threaten to sue California for NOT enforcing federal law. I don't think that will fly, in fact I don't even think they will try to make it fly.

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don't think SUE would be the action they would take, more like major DEA raids and other ingenious ways the gov. uses for control.

VICTORYGARDENSHYDRO said:

don't think SUE would be the action they would take, more like major DEA raids and other ingenious ways the gov. uses for control.

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All bullshit conjecture! The dea already raids us regularly, legal medical or not. If Prop 19 fails, they will increase their pressure.

Federalism is an important aspect of the US Constitution, and the states have the final say. The fed will not stand in the way when Prop 19 passes, and it will be the biggest thing that the planet has seen for prohibition reform.

Figure it out, I have.

DankAbbott said:

LAWS are the foundation to civilization brother, i'm not sure what you think your alternative is.

Look into the criteria of civilization... you gotta have 2 things... writing, and law.




Fast Food has good qualities and bad qualities, it gives you necessary vitamins and calories... but there are also bad things in it.
What is positive about marijuana?

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i agree with you to a certain point and then on the rest i think your way.............way............ off.............. allot of people that complain about the government here have never lived anywhere else.........go live in south America or the Caribbean you wont last one month youll come back crying asking for law and order...........also i don't think itll end the drug war itll slow it down for a bit but they will just start strapping more cocaine on the people crossing the border.

BUT WHAT IS POSITIVE ABOUT MARIJUANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF ask that to the medical patients that need it to get through the day with out pain or need it to have an appetite after kemo there are numerous usses for marijuana. thats like saying morphine or oxycottin have no uses your nutts.It dose nothing positive to me except relax me after a hard days work. i dont smoke and drive just like i wouldn't drink and drive i like smoking at my house cus its my property and if you come in with out a warrant im busting shots i dont care if your DEA!!

stonedmetalhead1 said:

Just because someone has thc in there system it doesn't mean it caused the accident and I'd love you to show me proof of all of these people dying in car accidents because of marijuana.

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There actually are statistics out on this topic. I'll try and remember where they are. While driving under the influence of cannabis was slightly worse than sober driving, it was no where even close drunk driving, driving while texting, or driving while talking on the phone. It was slightly worse but basically on par with eating while driving in terms of fatal accidents. The statistics did not count driving under the influences of multiple substances as being under the influence of cannabis (which is reasonable IMO).

desert dude said:

Let's see, the feds sued to stop Arizona FROM enforcing federal law. Now they threaten to sue California for NOT enforcing federal law. I don't think that will fly, in fact I don't even think they will try to make it fly.

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I agree. I think they will make a big show of it right after the elections if prop 19 passes. They'll go out and arrest a few dispensary owners who try to open up for profit, but then it'll be over. They don't have the political capital nor the resources for a long drawn out war against cannabis growers right now. This isn't 1997. There are a finite number of DEA agents who have to worry about the taliban's opium poppies, drug lords trying to over throw the mexican government, and cartels/gangs cooperating to smuggle drugs over the boarder. Also in 1997 they had local police cooperation to bust people. Now since these businesses will be opening with the approval of local governments who will be financially benefiting from these businesses, local cooperation with law enforcement will be unlikely. So it'd be the DEA trying to make cases on their own.

If they try to keep up a war against dispensaries in California instead of focusing on the drug cartels/taliban poppies, all they will do is piss off everyone and accomplish nothing. They'll have to bust a few people at first to back up their threats, but after that they'll be done with it.

Dan Kone said:

I agree. I think they will make a big show of it right after the elections if prop 19 passes. They'll go out and arrest a few dispensary owners who try to open up for profit, but then it'll be over. They don't have the political capital nor the resources for a long drawn out war against cannabis growers right now. This isn't 1997. There are a finite number of DEA agents who have to worry about the taliban's opium poppies, drug lords trying to over throw the mexican government, and cartels/gangs cooperating to smuggle drugs over the boarder. Also in 1997 they had local police cooperation to bust people. Now since these businesses will be opening with the approval of local governments who will be financially benefiting from these businesses, local cooperation with law enforcement will be unlikely. So it'd be the DEA trying to make cases on their own.

If they try to keep up a war against dispensaries in California instead of focusing on the drug cartels/taliban poppies, all they will do is piss off everyone and accomplish nothing. They'll have to bust a few people at first to back up their threats, but after that they'll be done with it.

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I agree completely.

if marijuana were made legal we would see a dramatic increase in deaths and crime what do we know about criminals, they smoke pot so that means pot smoking = criminal behavior durr why dont we just make it legal to rape children? jeez