Why Do People Keep Lying About Proposition 19?

Instead of people saying "I just want to get high" you got a boatload of people saying dumb shit like "Marijuana has caused no deaths, or This will help stop the drug war, or This will help keep drugs away from kids... all are complete nonsense

the big lie "Marijuana will be legal to cultivate in California"

I've thought it out, and the only real Win/Win situation for smokers and the government is the following

HARSH PENALTIES FOR THE FOLLOWING
Selling Marijuana without a license
Cultivating Marijuana without a license
Smoking Marijuana outside of a private property (home)
Possession of an open container of marijuana outside your home (state seal it like they do cigarrettes)

This is the only way for the government to make money, while allowing people to use. The way proposition 19 is currently set up, the Cartels have a lot to gain

DankAbbott said:

Instead of people saying "I just want to get high" you got a boatload of people saying dumb shit like "Marijuana has caused no deaths, or This will help stop the drug war, or This will help keep drugs away from kids... all are complete nonsense

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1) cannabis is not a toxin. you can not die from consuming too much of it. That is a medical and scientific fact, not an opinion. If you disagree, you're just wrong.

2) Ending prohibition across the country will severely weaken the power of drug cartels. Prop 19 is the first step towards that goal. And yes, if we stop waging war on drugs, it will stop the drug war by definition.

3) There have been many studies done that say cannabis is easier for highschool kids to buy than beer. This is because cannabis is generally sold on the black market which does not ask for ID's. It will be harder for kids to buy bud if it's sold in stores rather than on street corners.

None of that is non-sense.

DankAbbott said:

I've thought it out, and the only real Win/Win situation for smokers and the government is the following

HARSH PENALTIES FOR THE FOLLOWING
Selling Marijuana without a license
Cultivating Marijuana without a license
Smoking Marijuana outside of a private property (home)
Possession of an open container of marijuana outside your home (state seal it like they do cigarrettes)

This is the only way for the government to make money, while allowing people to use. The way proposition 19 is currently set up, the Cartels have a lot to gain

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That is an extremely ignorant statement. If you reasearch you will find that this is how the system is currently run. There is a federal law that states you can posses and distribute mj with a tax stamp but the problem is a stamp has and will never be issued. So your ideal system is already in place. Thanks for the contribution.

DankAbbott said:

I've thought it out, and the only real Win/Win situation for smokers and the government is the following

HARSH PENALTIES FOR THE FOLLOWING
Selling Marijuana without a license
Cultivating Marijuana without a license
Smoking Marijuana outside of a private property (home)
Possession of an open container of marijuana outside your home (state seal it like they do cigarrettes)

This is the only way for the government to make money, while allowing people to use. The way proposition 19 is currently set up, the Cartels have a lot to gain

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Fuck that idea! You sound like a cop. I want to smoke and grow my own, i'm not hurting anybody so leave me in peace. Let me grow a few and leave me alone.

goldenone said:

Fuck that idea! You sound like a cop. I want to smoke and grow my own, i'm not hurting anybody so leave me in peace. Let me grow a few and leave me alone.

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Nope not a cop. grow your own welfare weed, nobody cares

bigv1976 said:

That is an extremely ignorant statement. If you reasearch you will find that this is how the system is currently run. There is a federal law that states you can posses and distribute mj with a tax stamp but the problem is a stamp has and will never be issued. So your ideal system is already in place. Thanks for the contribution.

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Actually the system i described is not in place. The system i described would allow people to smoke marijuana on their private property without worrying about the cops. However they couldn't roll around town with an open government package of weed, it'd have to be sealed and unopened with a government stamp. I don't know why pot smokers actually think they government would let them grow weed, the feds have to get their money... like everything else you buy. Prop 19 fails to address that issue and leaves a gaping hole for cartel influence. Proposition 19 = Cartel-WINS Government-LOSES Smoker-WINS .... My Solution = Cartels-LOSE Government-WINS Smoker-WINS... and it's actually a solution the Federal Government would CONSIDER ... Prop 19 ISN'T

Dan Kone said:

1) cannabis is not a toxin. you can not die from consuming too much of it. That is a medical and scientific fact, not an opinion. If you disagree, you're just wrong.

2) Ending prohibition across the country will severely weaken the power of drug cartels. Prop 19 is the first step towards that goal. And yes, if we stop waging war on drugs, it will stop the drug war by definition.

3) There have been many studies done that say cannabis is easier for highschool kids to buy than beer. This is because cannabis is generally sold on the black market which does not ask for ID's. It will be harder for kids to buy bud if it's sold in stores rather than on street corners.

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Let me go at this

1) Cannabis is full of hundreds of toxins, you actually CAN overdose from it but it would take a lot. But that was not what i was talking about. I was talking about the countless auto fatalities attributed to Marijuana
2) So long as there is no government regulation (which proposition 19 has none) then you are giving the Cartels a free pass to sell their weed. Which by my math will be at 1/10th of the price that the stores are going to be selling theirs at.
3) Now High School kids have 2 options.... black market or the store.... So they'll double their chances to cop weed. Shit we all were in high school and knew the guy who'd buy you beer in exchange for a 40 Oz

Let me put it this way guys... if you want weed to be LEGAL, and i'm not talking about PROP 19 "legal", I mean LEGAL.... then you are going to have to sacrifice the following:

You'll have to give government the right to fuck you in the ass if you try to fuck them over by "growing your own" or buying "non taxed weed"
So yeah that means STRICTER PENALTIES but at least you'll be able to smoke KIND without getting a FINE or going to JAIL as long as you follow the simple rules
You won't be able to smoke wherever the fuck you want.

Let's be real... i know a lot of you want to think you are badass growers or whatever... but you aren't better than what the Pharmaceutical Industry will bring... so keep your ego in check... your weed is mediocre compared to what they'll provide.

DankAbbott said:

Let me put it this way guys... if you want weed to be LEGAL, and i'm not talking about PROP 19 "legal", I mean LEGAL.... then you are going to have to sacrifice the following:

You'll have to give government the right to fuck you in the ass if you try to fuck them over by "growing your own" or buying "non taxed weed"
So yeah that means STRICTER PENALTIES but at least you'll be able to smoke KIND without getting a FINE or going to JAIL as long as you follow the simple rules
You won't be able to smoke wherever the fuck you want.

Let's be real... i know a lot of you want to think you are badass growers or whatever... but you aren't better than what the Pharmaceutical Industry will bring... so keep your ego in check... your weed is mediocre compared to what they'll provide.

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You are truly an idiot if you think a government controlled entity which all pharm. companies are, will produce a better product than a guy growing a few plants giving them the best of everything. Threads like these truly bring out the ignorance that is so prevelant in this country and more so on this site. Educate yourself before forming an opinion and speaking on that opinion or the only person that will look at you with any kind of respect is yourself.

If Flop 19 passes, at first the store weed will be grown by organic hippies. Once the Pharm Boyz jump in the game, they are going to have Nerds with pocket protectors growing the weed that will put all the hippies out of business. Why the fuck is this a shock to you?

The best pot growers will be botanists with a Masters degree from MIT, and they won't smoke weed.

DankAbbott said:

If Flop 19 passes, at first the store weed will be grown by organic hippies. Once the Pharm Boyz jump in the game, they are going to have Nerds with pocket protectors growing the weed that will put all the hippies out of business. Why the fuck is this a shock to you?

The best pot growers will be botanists with a Masters degree from MIT, and they won't smoke weed.

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Yeah the best carpenters wont have saws or hammers either right?

The Pharma people have allllllllllllllllllllllll kinds of money to throw around for studies and equipment that the hippies won't have. It'll be a quick death

My advice for the hippies that are currently in the commercial game in california.... team up and make one group... otherwise the pharm boyz are gonna kill you all off

Dude the feds wont even let pharm boyz study mj for medicinal use and you already have them pegged as the best growers.

I think I got dumber reading DankAbbott's posts. Marijuana contains toxins that will kill you/make you OD, haha. I lol'd at that one.

DankAbbott said:

1) Cannabis is full of hundreds of toxins, you actually CAN overdose from it but it would take a lot. But that was not what i was talking about. I was talking about the countless auto fatalities attributed to Marijuana

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It's hard to count things that don't exist. I'd like to see where you got that from. Meaning an article with some quoted research. You have no idea what you're talking about. Toxins don't cause you to OD moron. Toxins, I think you mean carcinogens. Which are what cause lung cancer, liver cancer, brain tumors, throat cancer ect...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carcinogen

You sound more like a troll than anything, why are you even on a marijuana forum if you completely oppose it? What does prop 19 have to do with what you're saying. Even if it doesn't pass the VAST majority of people on here still use it. Why don't I see you posting more about the harm marijuana does? Prop 19 isn't going to change your made up statistics.

Toxins, things like hydrogen CYANIDE and AMMONIA which scientists find in marijuana at 20 times the rate of tobacco.
Hey Jackass.. A carcinogen is a type of TOXIN.

From your OWN wikifugginpedia carcinogen link

"Carcinogens are classified as genotoxins"

LMAO and when the fuck did i say you can OD from TOXINS? READING COMPREHENSION IS FUNDAMENTAL

DankAbbott said:

Toxins, things like hydrogen CYANIDE and AMMONIA which scientists find in marijuana at 20 times the rate of tobacco.
Hey Jackass.. A carcinogen is a type of TOXIN.

From your OWN wikifugginpedia carcinogen link

"Carcinogens are classified as genotoxins"

LMAO and when the fuck did i say you can OD from TOXINS? READING COMPREHENSION IS FUNDAMENTAL

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Where is this article where it says scientists found cyanide and ammonia?

mr2shim said:

Where is this article where it says scientists found cyanide and ammonia?

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You have already googled it yourself dude, so i have no idea why you took the time to ask me to spoonfeed you in public..........but i'll do it this ONE time.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071217110328.htm

DankAbbott said:

You have already googled it yourself dude, so i have no idea why you took the time to ask me to spoonfeed you in public..........but i'll do it this ONE time.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071217110328.htm

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So that leads me to my question, why are you protesting prop 19? Why don't you go as far to say you are against marijuana all together. That would only make sense. I'm not sure how prop 19 can change the "facts" in the article you posted. If you are against prop 19 because marijuana contains "toxins" then you should be against marijuana all together.

Listen dude, just because i'm not willing to LIE like all the other weed smokers i've seen lately... doesn't mean I am ANTI. I am just real enough to admit that virtually nothing positive comes from smoking weed dude.... being fucked up on anything often leads to fucked up situations... as every pot smoker already knows yet virtually none want to admit.

I do not think it should be legal however, I do not think tobacco should be legal, or alcohol..... nothing progressive about any of those things.. in fact all of which are anti-evolutionary to society. This whole legalize weed shit has turned pot smokers into Inverted Reefer Madness puppets that will lie up n down about weed and pretend it's all fluffy bunny rabbits and rainbows when it's not

DankAbbott said:

Listen dude, just because i'm not willing to LIE like all the other weed smokers i've seen lately... doesn't mean I am ANTI. I am just real enough to admit that virtually nothing positive comes from smoking weed dude.... being fucked up on anything often leads to fucked up situations... as every pot smoker already knows yet virtually none want to admit.

I do not think it should be legal however, I do not think tobacco should be legal, or alcohol..... nothing progressive about any of those things.. in fact all of which are anti-evolutionary to society. This whole legalize weed shit has turned pot smokers into Inverted Reefer Madness puppets that will lie up n down about weed and pretend it's all fluffy bunny rabbits and rainbows when it's not

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Yeah you are right we should all quit smoking weed and eat OC's instead. Way healthier. Plus it will feed the pigs in government who you sound eerily similar too.