Why Do People Believe Weird Things... Confirmation Bias

Heisenberg

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In my quest to understand why some false beliefs persist, I have found that it's easiest to start with the simple things. The same mistakes of logic and perception that cause silly beliefs like superstitions are also responsible for the big false beliefs of this world..like ghosts, alien abductions and yes, god. This post covers only two of those mistakes.

The first thing that comes into play in many superstitions is a mistake of logic called, post hoc ergo proctor hoc, which means, after this therefore because of this.

You walk under a ladder and then a paint bucket falls on your head. A black cat crosses your path and then your horse breaks it's leg. Someone gives you the evil eye and then you get the flu. All of these things assume a relationship that isn't really there. Because evolution has hardwired the human brain to see and recognize patterns, we sometimes see patterns where none exist.

The second thing that happens here is called confirmation bias. That is the tendency humans have to forget the events which do not reinforce their beliefs. In other words, you remember the hits and forget the misses. This comes into play a lot when psychics do a cold reading. You go away thinking they knew a lot about you because you don't remember all the stuff they got wrong.

A good example of confirmation bias is the belief that the rate of crime and emergencies are always higher during a full moon. Ask a cop who works the night shift and they will probably confirm that yea, a full moon seems to bring out the crazies. And if this cop is out there every night year after year, wouldn't he be the one to know?

A nurse looks around the emergency room and notes that they are much busier than normal, and the injuries coming in seem more severe than most nights. She turns to a doctor and asks him to look out the window and see if the moon is full. He looks and remarks that it's only half full. The nurse goes back to work and doesn't think anymore about it. If the doctor would have confirmed that the moon was full, it would have made an impression and she would remember for a long time that crazy night in the ER when the moon was full. We forget the misses and remember the hits. Confirmation bias.

So keep this in mind when you are trying to figure out the world. Humans are prone to mistakes, but making ourselves aware of those mistakes helps us avoid them.
 

Nice Ol Bud

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In my quest to understand why some false beliefs persist, I have found that it's easiest to start with the simple things. The same mistakes of logic and perception that cause silly beliefs like superstitions are also responsible for the big false beliefs of this world..like ghosts, alien abductions and yes, god.

The first thing that comes into play in many superstitions is a mistake of logic called, post hoc ergo proctor hoc, which means, after this therefore because of this.

You walk under a ladder and then a paint bucket falls on your head. A black cat crosses your path and then your horse breaks it's leg. Someone gives you the evil eye and then you get the flu. All of these things assume a relationship that isn't really there. Because evolution has hardwired the human brain to see and recognize patterns, we sometimes see patterns where none exist.

The second thing that happens here is called confirmation bias. That is the tendency humans have to forget the events which do not reinforce their beliefs. In other words, you remember the hits and forget the misses. This comes into play a lot when psychics do a cold reading. You go away thinking they knew a lot about you because you don't remember all the stuff they got wrong.

A good example of confirmation bias is the belief that the rate of crime and emergencies are always higher during a full moon. Ask a cop who works the night shift and they will probably confirm that yea, a full moon seems to bring out the crazies. And if this cop is out there every night year after year, wouldn't he be the one to know?

A nurse looks around the emergency room and notes that they are much busier than normal, and the injuries coming in seem more severe than most nights. She turns to a doctor and asks him to look out the window and see if the moon is full. He looks and remarks that it's only half full. The nurse goes back to work and doesn't think anymore about it. If the doctor would have confirmed that the moon was full, it would have made an impression and she would remember for a long time that crazy night in the ER when the moon was full. We forget the misses and remember the hits. Confirmation bias.

So keep this in mind when you are trying to figure out the world. Humans are prone to mistakes, but making ourselves aware of those mistakes helps us avoid them.
& Very good thread bro.
Hopefully this will open peoples eyes.
I know exactly what you mean.
I made those type of mistakes before.
 

tardis

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In my quest to understand why some false beliefs persist, I have found that it's easiest to start with the simple things. The same mistakes of logic and perception that cause silly beliefs like superstitions are also responsible for the big false beliefs of this world..like ghosts, alien abductions and yes, god.

The first thing that comes into play in many superstitions is a mistake of logic called, post hoc ergo proctor hoc, which means, after this therefore because of this.

You walk under a ladder and then a paint bucket falls on your head. A black cat crosses your path and then your horse breaks it's leg. Someone gives you the evil eye and then you get the flu. All of these things assume a relationship that isn't really there. Because evolution has hardwired the human brain to see and recognize patterns, we sometimes see patterns where none exist.

The second thing that happens here is called confirmation bias. That is the tendency humans have to forget the events which do not reinforce their beliefs. In other words, you remember the hits and forget the misses. This comes into play a lot when psychics do a cold reading. You go away thinking they knew a lot about you because you don't remember all the stuff they got wrong.

A good example of confirmation bias is the belief that the rate of crime and emergencies are always higher during a full moon. Ask a cop who works the night shift and they will probably confirm that yea, a full moon seems to bring out the crazies. And if this cop is out there every night year after year, wouldn't he be the one to know?

A nurse looks around the emergency room and notes that they are much busier than normal, and the injuries coming in seem more severe than most nights. She turns to a doctor and asks him to look out the window and see if the moon is full. He looks and remarks that it's only half full. The nurse goes back to work and doesn't think anymore about it. If the doctor would have confirmed that the moon was full, it would have made an impression and she would remember for a long time that crazy night in the ER when the moon was full. We forget the misses and remember the hits. Confirmation bias.

So keep this in mind when you are trying to figure out the world. Humans are prone to mistakes, but making ourselves aware of those mistakes helps us avoid them.
You nailed it, the human brain is hardwired for certain patterns. My little theory believes that talking about a God or Gods gave power to an individal, and those individuals who were more likely to believe it stayed in groups and thus survived more often to pass on genes. and also ever notice that music, religion, and drug use always seem to be connected in some way (look at church and communion with wine), I think individuals more likely to partake in music, do drugs, and believe in God were the trifecta who survived because they were likely to benefit from LARGER groups of humans which increased their survival odds and thus they are our ancestors and so we are born hardwired that odd patern beliefs like gods make sense to us.

Remember we aren't outside looking in, we are inside looking outside to look inside. Does that make sense or come across as some sorta word salad, I just read that I am Gods guys post and I think it broke my brain since i've been smoking this querkle to digest my xmas dinner.
 

tardis

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We might have a creator.
But why worship a "God" if he done nothing for you?
Me personally, I believe that our creator is the singularity we all were befroe the bing bang. in otherwords everything in this universe is the creator split into all of these separate things.... I also know that no matter what i believe, just like everyone else i'm wrong, but we humans are hardwired to beleive this stuff so I better get a belief that fits in into science best!
 

sleeperls93

Active Member
We might have a creator.
But why worship a "God" if he done nothing for you?
What!? He/She has done so much for me!! I'm very thankful!! I have so much love in my family and life... life's great!!
faith is a powerful thing!! You would never know though...
 

Heisenberg

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Your words echo some of my favorite quotes tardis and Nic.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
— Epicurus

This one is a bit of a paraphrase
"We are all made of star stuff, the universe made manifest. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
— Carl Sagan


I believe, and have faith in GOD
What does this have to do with anything?
 

sleeperls93

Active Member
Your words echo some of my favorite quotes tardis.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
— Epicurus

This one is a bit of a paraphrase
"We are all made of star stuff, the universe made manifest. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
— Carl Sagan
I could apply my faith with any scientific theory, and facts of creationism, and evolution for that matter. by simply believing that the universal elements of life in the universe, are simply God's tools; tools he used and created to create the Universe, and us.... You don't have to agree with me, but my faith and it's powers, keep me stubborn to my beliefs, lol
 

Heisenberg

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I could apply my faith with any scientific theory, and facts of creationism, and evolution for that matter. by simply believing that the universal elements of life in the universe, are simply God's tools; tools he used and created to create the Universe, and us.... You don't have to agree with me, but my faith and it's powers, keep me stubborn to my beliefs, lol
Personal beliefs are fine with me, just didn't see what it had to do with my post. The false belief (faith) in god involves much more than the two terms I defined here. It's beyond the scope of this post. Perhaps we will delve into your statement when we examine the fallacies of 'Moving the goal post' and unfalsifiable theories.
 

sleeperls93

Active Member
Your words echo some of my favorite quotes tardis and Nic.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
— Epicurus

This one is a bit of a paraphrase
"We are all made of star stuff, the universe made manifest. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
— Carl Sagan




What does this have to do with anything?
I could apply my faith with any scienific theory, (in most part created by non believers of God) and scientific facts used to explain creationism. The universe, and all elements within it, that make life possible, are all tools of a wonderful God's trade... and there his tools and he uses them as he pleases... Many people say there's is alot of suffering in the world, hence trying to denounce God, but God gave man free will, and will not intervene in the outcomes of the world, but I also believe that he has a special plan for those who praise him and live by his rules( witch is not a bad thing for society)... so the suffering is only temporary for thos ewith faith... hey, it's what I feel, you don't have to agree, lol... I did just smoke a fat blunt of haze, and am rolling another, lol, peace, and merry christmas to all!
 

guy incognito

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I think a better explanation is that all the elements came from supernovas and follow the laws the physics. And here we are as a product of that.
 

tardis

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Your words echo some of my favorite quotes tardis and Nic.



This one is a bit of a paraphrase
"We are all made of star stuff, the universe made manifest. We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
— Carl Sagan
I love it! Yup, we are all star stuff, and eventually we'll hurl into our own or another star and once again be star stuff.
 

tardis

Well-Known Member
I could apply my faith with any scientific theory, and facts of creationism, and evolution for that matter. by simply believing that the universal elements of life in the universe, are simply God's tools; tools he used and created to create the Universe, and us.... You don't have to agree with me, but my faith and it's powers, keep me stubborn to my beliefs, lol
I have faith that Ronald McDonald made God. That he manifests thru McDonalds. If you don't have faith in that like I do then you are just simply unable to see the truth, you are blind. Open your heart to Ronald McDonald and your soul will live forever! You see, Ronald McDonald made God, who made creation, who made scientific theory who made evolution. Don't you see it all goes back to Ronald McDonald, have faith or you'll burn in taco hell forever.
 

sleeperls93

Active Member
I have faith that Ronald McDonald made God. That he manifests thru McDonalds. If you don't have faith in that like I do then you are just simply unable to see the truth, you are blind. Open your heart to Ronald McDonald and your soul will live forever! You see, Ronald McDonald made God, who made creation, who made scientific theory who made evolution. Don't you see it all goes back to Ronald McDonald, have faith or you'll burn in taco hell forever.
Good luck to you with that!! I hope that works out for you!!! Of course ronald mcdonald is god, he invented the burgers! So retarded hawaiian stoners have something to eat!!
 

Hum215

Active Member
Personally, I don't believe in invisible people or deities. However I can say that people do find patterns in randomness. Often we make decisions before we see enough trials to overcome a few standard deviations so, we believe something before the proof has actually been seen.
 

sleeperls93

Active Member
Personally, I don't believe in invisible people or deities. However I can say that people do find patterns in randomness. Often we make decisions before we see enough trials to overcome a few standard deviations so, we believe something before the proof has actually been seen.
The things i have experienced are not random... and I have experienced proof.... it's not religion, it's faith... but I'm done, I'm not going to get into a debate with you so called "scholars" lmao.... your to wise lol
 

The Ruiner

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In my quest to understand why some false beliefs persist, I have found that it's easiest to start with the simple things. The same mistakes of logic and perception that cause silly beliefs like superstitions are also responsible for the big false beliefs of this world..like ghosts, alien abductions and yes, god. This post covers only two of those mistakes.

The first thing that comes into play in many superstitions is a mistake of logic called, post hoc ergo proctor hoc, which means, after this therefore because of this.

You walk under a ladder and then a paint bucket falls on your head. A black cat crosses your path and then your horse breaks it's leg. Someone gives you the evil eye and then you get the flu. All of these things assume a relationship that isn't really there. Because evolution has hardwired the human brain to see and recognize patterns, we sometimes see patterns where none exist.

The second thing that happens here is called confirmation bias. That is the tendency humans have to forget the events which do not reinforce their beliefs. In other words, you remember the hits and forget the misses. This comes into play a lot when psychics do a cold reading. You go away thinking they knew a lot about you because you don't remember all the stuff they got wrong.

A good example of confirmation bias is the belief that the rate of crime and emergencies are always higher during a full moon. Ask a cop who works the night shift and they will probably confirm that yea, a full moon seems to bring out the crazies. And if this cop is out there every night year after year, wouldn't he be the one to know?

A nurse looks around the emergency room and notes that they are much busier than normal, and the injuries coming in seem more severe than most nights. She turns to a doctor and asks him to look out the window and see if the moon is full. He looks and remarks that it's only half full. The nurse goes back to work and doesn't think anymore about it. If the doctor would have confirmed that the moon was full, it would have made an impression and she would remember for a long time that crazy night in the ER when the moon was full. We forget the misses and remember the hits. Confirmation bias.

So keep this in mind when you are trying to figure out the world. Humans are prone to mistakes, but making ourselves aware of those mistakes helps us avoid them.
I respect your intellect man, but really alien abduction (or at least interaction) is not "silly," there are way too many unanswered questions about it...If you think it's "silly" I want to know how you can explain the work of Dr. Roger Lier as "silly."

To think we "know it all" is silly...people can believe what they want and rationality and intellect can only go so far to explain what is actually real. These implants are more real than your logic...They have substance...whereas your position is based off of nothing but your own limited perception of the world in which you live.

Google "the battle of los angeles" and then tell me belief in aliens is silly...
 

bobbypyn

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wow.... this has taken me aback. that atheism would have such a strong following among this group is truly baffling. anyone who would place disembodied spirits in the same realm as elves and other fictitious creatures is laughable. all i can say is, when you all die & your memories and personality are still in tact, remember; Bobby told you so. I'm not going to go too far into why I'm so dead certain of my beliefs, but for those who would adopt a scientific outlook on the afterlife, i humbly present this link. it is real. the information presented is very compelling, but you make your own choice.
www.worlditc.org
of particular interest to scientists would be the research of one George Meek. co-inventor of the Spiricom device. atheists are just petulant.

When the great innovation appears, it will almost certainly be in muddied, incomplete and confusing form. To the discoverer himself, it will be only half understood; to everybody else it will be a mystery. For any speculation which does not at first glance look crazy, there is no hope.- Niels Bohr
 
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