why did your god create a sun that will soon burn out ?

JSJ

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To answer the ops question, in God's big plan, he will return for us, to take us to his kingdom, way before the sun will ever burn out. In God's kingdom there is no need for the sun, because the holy spirit lights the entire kingdom.
 
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Why is there a who? That is the trap of all religion, this Otherness Supreme. No. That is your SELF you experience. There is an experience of godness, but no God.

Think about it. Who says there even is a Creator? Why does something have to be created? Why can't it just be?

I'll tell you. Time is a myth. Time is not happening. It was made up. There was no beginning. The universe created us and we created God.


I can see that far more easily, than this silly logic of WHO?

We Created ourselves within the Image of OurSelves.

In our own Image. Get it? This universe is our image we are in.

The Universe made us within its own image.
 
Doer

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The Big Bang is most certainly not real. It is a math construct that doesn't fit the evidence completely and so has never been proven.

It is simple the Current Understanding, exactly like Flat Earth was, or Divine Right.
 
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ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:
why did your god give life a time limit ? we all know our sun will burn out soon enough and all life on this planet will cease to exist why is that ? and why was there no mention of this in any of the holy books or scripture ?
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Wrong. The cycles of the Universe are spelled out in detail in Tibetan Buddhism.
Shiva is the Goddess of Destruction for the Hindu. Destruction of worlds is her job.

The Western Church just made up this idea Hell, and a God you appeal to for personal salvation.

That is what is not mention in other scripture, even by the Jews.
 
JSJ

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Doer said:
The Big Bang is most certainly not real. It is a math construct that doesn't fit the evidence completely and so has never been proven.

It is simple the Current Understanding, exactly like Flat Earth was, or Divine Right.
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If the big bang wasn't real as you claim, then why is there a definite Doppler red shift when viewing neighboring galaxies?? The Doppler effect can be "proven", so why are you saying that it doesn't hold water when talking about the big bang??
 
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If you can't follow the math you can't follow me.

There are a lot of explanations outside of the Big Bang. But there is no more definitive than that, so BB survives.

The Big Bang can only be shown from a perspective. And that is from:\

A constant, over vast time, Speed of Light
A constant, over vast time, Space Density

We already know, neither of these are correct.

We don't know what we are looking at yet. Before Hubble we didn't even know about galaxy populations. What if space is as dense as concrete out there beyond our locale, but clear?

What if we are just in another Goldilocks Zone, this one, of thin space?

NASA tells children the place were the Big Bang occurs is not even in our SpaceTime. We can never go there, we can never know the center.

The physical universe is a vast shock wave layer, the skin of an inflating balloon, according to NASA. We don't know where we are front to back in the shock wave and we certainly don't know any lateral coordinates either.

We could simple be in a Black Hole and already dead.

The math is exactly the same as Big Bang.
 
JSJ

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Doer said:
Why is there a who? That is the trap of all religion, this Otherness Supreme. No. That is your SELF you experience. There is an experience of godness, but no God.

Think about it. Who says there even is a Creator? Why does something have to be created? Why can't it just be?

I'll tell you. Time is a myth. Time is not happening. It was made up. There was no beginning. The universe created us and we created God.


I can see that far more easily, than this silly logic of WHO?

We Created ourselves within the Image of OurSelves.

In our own Image. Get it? This universe is our image we are in.

The Universe made us within its own image.
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We created ourselves within the image of ourselves, yeah, that's not silly logic is it. This universe is our image?? Nothing silly about all that.
 
JSJ

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Doer said:
If you can't follow the math you can't follow me.

There are a lot of explanations outside of the Big Bang. But there is no more definitive than that, so BB survives.

The Big Bang can only be shown from a perspective. And that is from:\

A constant, over vast time, Speed of Light
A constant, over vast time, Space Density

We already know, neither of these are correct.

We don't know what we are looking at yet. Before Hubble we didn't even know about galaxy populations. What if space is as dense as concrete out there beyond our locale, but clear?

What if we are just in another Goldilocks Zone, this one, of thin space?

NASA tells children the place were the Big Bang occurs is not even in our SpaceTime. We can never go there, we can never know the center.

The physical universe is a vast shock wave layer, the skin of an inflating balloon, according to NASA. We don't know where we are front to back in the shock wave and we certainly don't know any lateral coordinates either.

We could simple be in a Black Hole and already dead.

The math is exactly the same as Big Bang.
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Yeah I love math, so I'm right there with ya. And it is math that says if everything is expanding, like a balloon, then in reverse it all comes back down to one pinpoint, the origin of the big bang.

And if you really like math and science, check string theory, basically saying that everything in existence is made up of nothing but waves. Like sound waves. Like when God spoke everything into existence, we are all just the waves of his spoken voice.
 
hydroMD

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Ps. Technically all religion is a prod
ThE sAtIvA hIgH said:
its funny though isnt it, we(nassa) are observing as we speak new stars (suns) being created out in space and i dont see any god getting involved .
how can people claim a god made our star/sun yet we are observing stars being created and stars dying out all over the universe without any god helping ?
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God is helping... he is gravity, time and physics. Just cause you cant see something has no bearing on its existance.

Just depends how you look at it and choose to live your life. You cant see love, but it is most definately a real thing... God is much the same.

Nobody can see my relationship with god, so to tell me it doesnt exist would be like me telling you that love is fake, even though your getting butterflies every time you think about your girl.

Science doesnt disprove religion. Nor the other way around.

People built the pyramids... but we have no idea how.

Whos to say you could fathom the universe being made? Whos to say anyone can!?!
 
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Doer said:
Why is there a who? That is the trap of all religion, this Otherness Supreme. No. That is your SELF you experience. There is an experience of godness, but no God.

Think about it. Who says there even is a Creator? Why does something have to be created? Why can't it just be?

I'll tell you. Time is a myth. Time is not happening. It was made up. There was no beginning. The universe created us and we created God.


I can see that far more easily, than this silly logic of WHO?

We Created ourselves within the Image of OurSelves.

In our own Image. Get it? This universe is our image we are in.

The Universe made us within its own image.
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I would argue that if someone is experiencing something, that it is real.

Are the experiences by someone who just tried DMT unreal? Just because its an individual experience doesnt make it less real... if it has a lasting affect on the persin, its just as real as falling down a flight of stairs

And with such a closed mind to one side of the argument, its hard to get around your obvious bias on the subject.


Be as literal as you like, but god works in mysterious ways.

You cant tell me what im feeling is *god like* not god, because its evident you havent opened your mind and heart to accept what it is I consider god.

Dont get caught up on the stuff you cant understand... take what good you can from it and start building
 
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o_O hydroMD you're trolling right? Yeah..... you're trolling. :clap: That's some funny shit dude. :lol::lol: Don't forget to snap out of it when you're done.
 
hydroMD

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Mr. Bongwater said:
ever consider god doesn't exist?
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Absolutely. Its a question that has gnawed at me for a long time.

Even if god is not the exact embodyment of what i picture, makes him no less real if the belief of him helps me be happierrhan without
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You mean that you have no idea how? I don't think you can speak for everyone. :p
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Aside from theory? Im pretty sure the pyramids are still a mystery. If you find hard facts about the exact techniques used please post a link. Keyword here: Fact
 
hydroMD

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I have read an article about how people think they started tje foundation.

I read how its more than likely the area around the base of the pyramids was flooded. Then the foundation what cut/placed so it was parallel with the water level creating perfectly flat foundation.

No laser levels... just water.... and a shit ton of slaves

Pretty cool... minus the slave part :)
 
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