PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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Thanks
I don't live and california,,,so I guess I should just wish you Luck from here on out,,,Broadus
,,,It might effect me in time
When Prop19 Passes...
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I don't live and california,,,so I guess I should just wish you Luck from here on out,,,Broadus,,,It might effect me in time
mipbar
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Gooood. It seriously may very well be the new Amsterdam. Can you imagine OAKLAND being loved the world over for it's world-class Cannibis conferences ? Heh. Plane tickets will be a helluva lot cheaper, eh?
beardo
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unless they pass 19 and offshore the jobsYou know what WILL NOT change? Marijuana won't stop being the #1 crop in CA. Not citrus, not grapes, not avocados, not artichokes
mipbar
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Great High Times Article
http://hightimes.com/legal/ht_admin/6760
While most well-informed HIGH TIMES readers can probably cite hundreds of good reasons why cannabis prohibition should end immediately, I’d like to hone in on what NORML believes are the top six reasons why these long-sought reforms are finally coming about.
It’s the Economy, Stupid
Just as the Great Depression helped end alcohol prohibition, the current crushing economy is causing otherwise prohibition-supportive decision makers to re-examine their fiscal priorities. As a result, economists, editorial boards, columnists, politicians and commentators of all political stripes increasingly support ending the federal government’s counterproductive prohibition of cannabis.
Baby Boomers or Baby Bongers?
Men and women between the ages of 50 and 70 years have taken over the country’s institutions of government, law, medicine, science, education, media and entertainment. Baby boomers have primary and secondary experience with cannabis that the so-called World War II generation simply doesn’t possess.
The Public’s Acceptance of Medical Cannabis
The passage of Proposition 215 in 1996 was a genuinely epochal event: California citizens – who comprise one-eighth the population of the United States – voted to endorse the medical use of cannabis. This set in motion a domino-like effect that has currently resulted in 14 states (plus the District of Columbia) legalizing patient access to medical cannabis for nearly 90 million Americans.
In states such as California, Colorado, New Mexico and Montana – and very soon in Rhode Island, New Jersey, Maine and DC – lawful patients enjoy so-called “Main Street” retail access to hundreds of strains of cannabis, “medibles,” tinctures, balms and hash products.
Worldwide Web of Weed
The Internet has been transformative for cannabis-law reformers, helping us politically organize consumers, disseminate information, debunk prohibition myths and raise money. I’ve been at NORML so long I pre-date the Internet, and I can tell you from firsthand experience: A busy day at NORML pre-Internet pales in comparison to what’s being accomplished today.
NORML’s webpage and podcast attract over 30,000 daily visitors, who download millions of pages weekly in the privacy of their own homes. And there are now over one million “friends” within NORML’s Facebook universe.
Whereas the mainstream media has largely failed cannabis consumers and society as a whole, the Internet provides citizens with ready peer-to-peer communications, unprecedented social networking, and unfiltered information (uncensored by either the government or the corporate media) that empowers and fuels reformers’ modern advocacy efforts.
Opposition to Cannabis-Law Reform Recedes
In general, do business, medical, educational or religious communities organize against groups like NORML?
No.
Then who are the supporters of cannabis prohibition? The five pillars of pot prohibition should be familiar by now: Law enforcement; government agencies born of prohibition (i.e., the DEA, NIDA, etc.); the drug makers who’d have to compete with legal cannabis (tobacco, pharmaceutical and booze companies); government-funded “parents’ groups” (i.e., CADCA, NFIA, etc.); and companies that prosper from drug-testing services, private prisons and high-tech drug-trafficking detection devices.
Prohibition Fatigue?
Having endured 73 years of unsuccessful cannabis prohibition, a national weariness seems to be setting in. Maybe, just maybe, after 20 million arrests (90 percent for simple possession alone), hundreds of billions in tax dollars wasted or uncollected, children having more access to cannabis than alcohol or tobacco, and the destabilization of America’s borders – all basically for naught – a solid majority of Americans are ready to support legalization.
Currently, in national polling, about 44 percent favor legalizing adult cannabis use. That total is up to 56 percent in California, where people go to the polls this fall to vote on –and, hopefully, pass – a legalization initiative.
Are you and your friends ready to get involved, make a difference, and help end cannabis prohibition once and for all? Please join NORML today and/or support California’s Proposition 19.
Allen St. Pierre is the executive director of NORML in Washington, DC. You can contact him at 888-67-NORML or norml.org.
This article is featured in the SEPTEMBER 2010 Issue of HIGH TIMES:
http://hightimes.com/legal/ht_admin/6760
While most well-informed HIGH TIMES readers can probably cite hundreds of good reasons why cannabis prohibition should end immediately, I’d like to hone in on what NORML believes are the top six reasons why these long-sought reforms are finally coming about.
It’s the Economy, Stupid
Just as the Great Depression helped end alcohol prohibition, the current crushing economy is causing otherwise prohibition-supportive decision makers to re-examine their fiscal priorities. As a result, economists, editorial boards, columnists, politicians and commentators of all political stripes increasingly support ending the federal government’s counterproductive prohibition of cannabis.
Baby Boomers or Baby Bongers?
Men and women between the ages of 50 and 70 years have taken over the country’s institutions of government, law, medicine, science, education, media and entertainment. Baby boomers have primary and secondary experience with cannabis that the so-called World War II generation simply doesn’t possess.
The Public’s Acceptance of Medical Cannabis
The passage of Proposition 215 in 1996 was a genuinely epochal event: California citizens – who comprise one-eighth the population of the United States – voted to endorse the medical use of cannabis. This set in motion a domino-like effect that has currently resulted in 14 states (plus the District of Columbia) legalizing patient access to medical cannabis for nearly 90 million Americans.
In states such as California, Colorado, New Mexico and Montana – and very soon in Rhode Island, New Jersey, Maine and DC – lawful patients enjoy so-called “Main Street” retail access to hundreds of strains of cannabis, “medibles,” tinctures, balms and hash products.
Worldwide Web of Weed
The Internet has been transformative for cannabis-law reformers, helping us politically organize consumers, disseminate information, debunk prohibition myths and raise money. I’ve been at NORML so long I pre-date the Internet, and I can tell you from firsthand experience: A busy day at NORML pre-Internet pales in comparison to what’s being accomplished today.
NORML’s webpage and podcast attract over 30,000 daily visitors, who download millions of pages weekly in the privacy of their own homes. And there are now over one million “friends” within NORML’s Facebook universe.
Whereas the mainstream media has largely failed cannabis consumers and society as a whole, the Internet provides citizens with ready peer-to-peer communications, unprecedented social networking, and unfiltered information (uncensored by either the government or the corporate media) that empowers and fuels reformers’ modern advocacy efforts.
Opposition to Cannabis-Law Reform Recedes
In general, do business, medical, educational or religious communities organize against groups like NORML?
No.
Then who are the supporters of cannabis prohibition? The five pillars of pot prohibition should be familiar by now: Law enforcement; government agencies born of prohibition (i.e., the DEA, NIDA, etc.); the drug makers who’d have to compete with legal cannabis (tobacco, pharmaceutical and booze companies); government-funded “parents’ groups” (i.e., CADCA, NFIA, etc.); and companies that prosper from drug-testing services, private prisons and high-tech drug-trafficking detection devices.
Prohibition Fatigue?
Having endured 73 years of unsuccessful cannabis prohibition, a national weariness seems to be setting in. Maybe, just maybe, after 20 million arrests (90 percent for simple possession alone), hundreds of billions in tax dollars wasted or uncollected, children having more access to cannabis than alcohol or tobacco, and the destabilization of America’s borders – all basically for naught – a solid majority of Americans are ready to support legalization.
Currently, in national polling, about 44 percent favor legalizing adult cannabis use. That total is up to 56 percent in California, where people go to the polls this fall to vote on –and, hopefully, pass – a legalization initiative.
Are you and your friends ready to get involved, make a difference, and help end cannabis prohibition once and for all? Please join NORML today and/or support California’s Proposition 19.
Allen St. Pierre is the executive director of NORML in Washington, DC. You can contact him at 888-67-NORML or norml.org.
This article is featured in the SEPTEMBER 2010 Issue of HIGH TIMES:
Burger Boss
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0/20 Y.O.'s may NOT consume alcohol in CA. WHY should cannabis be DIFFERENT?
beardo
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It shouldn't -see post #36
mccumcumber
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How do you suppose they will pull this one off? It's not like weed is legal in China or any other South Pacific Asian country that we use for offshore labor.
abudsmoker
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lol my joint says made in china wtf????????????
desert dude
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Ha ha ha ha... Priceless!
veggiegardener
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If P19 passes, it probably won't be fun, but it will be entertaining!
desert dude
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Yeah, nasty, like jury trials become even more difficult to win for the prohibitionists.
veggiegardener
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You claim to be in your 50's?
I guess you don't know much about California's corrupt legal system.
Steve Cooley will bring you up to speed, if elected.
beardo
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Mexico? china? India? do you really think it is impossible? or even far from likely? I believe it would probably happen within the first couple years of 19 passing a few operations remain here-for P.R. and to maintain quality controll and many open in mexico or china allows a few production facilities to supply international-prop19-demand. U.S. labor costs are high our land is expensive our permit and regulation system is prohibitive and with cap and trade on the horizon we may become far less competitive. the people behind this want to make money and one way to do it would to be offshoring the states #1 crop
hazorazo
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The fear I have about it is this...... will corporate America bust into what is largely a mom and pop operation? Will corporations (which are made to increase profit margins for investors) end up pushing out the mom and pops by creating the cheapest, low price option? Will all of the corporations stop paying trimmers, etc 15-20 dollars an hour, and start paying them minimum wage, because they have no respect or knowledge of how valuable a good trimmer is? Will they take this industry in which a ton of love is incorporated, and turn it into an investor's money machine?
I would like to see marijuana legalized, but CONTROLLED. Controlled in the sense that any ONE company cannot grow over 24 plants. That way, corporations would be limited in their operations, and kept to a decent size, so as not to monopolize the system eventually.
Can anyone honestly say that each grower with 24 plants can make a good living? And spread the love. If we need more weed, let more growers get involved, instead of one grower getting rich. Get back to a societal way of living. We can make this good for EVERYONE if we put our minds to it.
I am scared of corporations because they take the passion out of what they do, and replace it with greed, and a push for numbers.
I would like to see marijuana legalized, but CONTROLLED. Controlled in the sense that any ONE company cannot grow over 24 plants. That way, corporations would be limited in their operations, and kept to a decent size, so as not to monopolize the system eventually.
Can anyone honestly say that each grower with 24 plants can make a good living? And spread the love. If we need more weed, let more growers get involved, instead of one grower getting rich. Get back to a societal way of living. We can make this good for EVERYONE if we put our minds to it.
I am scared of corporations because they take the passion out of what they do, and replace it with greed, and a push for numbers.
veggiegardener
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The Central Valley in California is the finest location to grow Cannabis, on this planet. A long growing season, coupled with high temperatures and low humidity in the Fall make duplicating its growing conditions, difficult.
There may be places in Southern China that can match it.
Personally, I'd prefer Morocco, in North Africa. I wonder what third world countries go for, these days?
There may be places in Southern China that can match it.
Personally, I'd prefer Morocco, in North Africa. I wonder what third world countries go for, these days?
beardo
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I have the same fears and actually like your solution of limiting the potential for huge companies to take over the industry. Your idea would make it so a coffe shop could have their own strain and their own grower and offer joints etc but you wouldn't have weed corp paying illegals to work in huge feilds or wharehouses
veggiegardener
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I think Monsanto is poised to get involved.
They've made a ton manipulating crops that sell for pennies a pound(corn and soy beans, among others). I can't imagine they won't try to take over Cannabis genetics and production, whose value will be in the thousands of dollars per pound.
My seed collection has been independent of recent genetics for a decade, with a few very special exceptions. This could be very important if Monsanto begins to patent Cannabis genetics, as they have food crops.