R Burns
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Yes, of course.
What is YOUR "Golden" rule for a heavy healthy yield?
ganga gurl420
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Tho one day I would love to see a big hydro set up outdoors just to see what It could pull off....if it could truly be done lol
PJ Diaz
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If you want to get super technical, most of what people call "soil" grows are really soil-less. By definition, soil requires the presence of mineral compounds such as sand and silt. Pretty much no pre-made "potting soil" I know of has real soil type qualities, and is thereby "soil-less". It's not soil, unless the medium includes: "the upper layer of earth in which plants grow, a black or dark brown material typically consisting of a mixture of organic remains, clay, and rock particles."we can all throw links, some even use a dictionary. Sure some people use soil less and call it hydro but the definition of Hydro is in its own name.
Off cause im a shit grower im way to lazy. Ive never said im anything special. Do get lucky with the odd plant though. In fairness its an easy plant to grow.
.dictionary.com/browse/hydro-
Hydro- definition, a combining form meaning “water,” used in the formation of compound words: hydroplane; hydrogen.
https://www.dictionary.com › browse › hydroponics
Hydroponics definition, the cultivation of plants by placing the roots in liquid nutrient solutions.
Hydroponics - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Hydroponics
Hydroponics is a subset of hydroculture, which is a method of growing plants without soil by instead using mineral nutrient solutions in a water solvent.
But we all know we have soil, soil less and hydro. U can mix and match but Hydro is water. We have Hydro power here and its water driven. I just find it interesting that some are getting 30% increase from soil less and another 20% from hydro. Its big numbers, huge numbers....
No point u getting upset over it. Lifes to short. Sorry if I have offended you previously but the younger gen seem to get offended so easily and often and i dont know why most the time.. I get it with my kids to. I hope my grand daughters gen hardens back up.
As far as your soil-less/hydro debate, my definition of hydro is plants being fed by a hydroponic (water/nutrient) solution in an inert medium. I don't think that anyone is gonna argue that plants grown in rockwool or hydroton are not hydro mediums, so why wouldn't coco also be a hydro medium?
Kassiopeija
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Aren't all mediums designed to store water in them? I've never seen a grow without water. So you either use a medium for it, or not, that is your water-fert mixture directly to the roots. That's hydro for me.
The soil-technique itself can be split between living-organic or dead-mineralic. It is said that organic taste better, net less weight and the plants age visually considerably.
It can get quite confusing. A mineralic soil-grow can have lots of similarities with soilless grows if the soil is old and you need to substitute the fertilizer fully... there, the soil is just an inert medium.
An indoor hydro grow can be quickly turned into soilless grow.
I think a legally done outdoor grow in soil done as a field could be done most efficiently in terms of commercial sale.
Rob Roy
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Weed rafts. Green styrofoam and a swamp....no watering needed.
ganga gurl420
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Nice
Lucky Luke
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Only one talking crap and getting upset is you. Attack, attack, attack and insult. Lifes to short to be so angry. Especially if ur around 60yrs old. Im surprised ur an aussie as you sound more like a pom.
I wasn't on the aussie thread 7-8 years ago. I wasn't even on RIU. So whoever has effected you so much wasnt me. Only been on here approx. 2 years and learning all the time and in general my grows are improving. That's the beauty of discussing and forums such as these. Its Ok if u find me polarizing, its better than being vanilla. I do agree with you that the aussie thread was way, way better when Ruby and Coco and co were on it a year or so ago but I have no idea what it was like 8 years ago. Maybe if u didn't fit in it was about you and not them? Just a thought.. If you didn't Iike, dont like it or dont fit in then that's the beauty of the the internet and having other forums to browse. There are still some fantastic Aussie threads out there if u know were to look or are lucky enough to be invited to one of the private ones
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Lucky Luke
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Of cause its a hydro medium. Not arguing or insinuating that its not. Its a soil less hydro medium.
Im using Canna terra pro which is also a soilless hydro medium. Which is why im intrigued by the % increase's we have been discussing from soil, soil less and hydro. which seem to be a claimed 30% from soil to soil less and an extra 20% again for full hydro. For the purposes of the discussion of the numbers the medium or lack thereof has been important.
PJ Diaz
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Yeah, I think hydro prolly does produce more over the course of a year, compared to "soil" (whatever that really means), but I also get your point that a dialed in maxed canopy in soil is likely around the same harvest as a dialed in maxed canopy of hydro.
The post a couple pages back of one plant in soil and another hydro, the soil plant looked sad in general, so maybe that grower was just used to and better at growing in hydro compared to soil, and drew his conclusions from a single unscientific grow.
I grew in coco/perlite for a long time, and have lately been growing in potting soil, because I'm kinda lazy and don't want to ph and ppm all the time. If I was lazy with hydro the way I am in soil, I can guarantee the soil grow would yield better.
Mollywhopper
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That's like saying my 1000w will outgrow your 13w led. Of course changing the entire environment will have different results. But same environment same nutes same light same temp same shit different flies hydro will pump out more it just does. Set up a water chiller on a 200 gal tank outside next to your soil I bet hydro would win. But that would be expensive keeping that water cool I would probably use a 2 ton ac and run copper piping throughout the water charging the AC just enough to not mess up the compressor and let the 407c cool the water
ganga gurl420
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My point was they have amazing lights now of days. And for most of us outdoor growers we only get around 6 to 7 hours of direct sunlight. Plus we have to put up with bugs and storms and fluctuating temps. You can pump out a lot more co2 then outdoor has as well. Still does better then hydro even if started around the same time
As far as indoor soil vs hydro.... the only reason that hydro does better is the plant can grow faster. If you took a good soil recipe and let it veg a bit longer it would probably kick out about the same results.
Hydro to me is just a waste of electricity. Like I said if you veg a bit longer you will be golden.
P.s. the reason I brought up the outdoor is because it's a different method entirely. Oxygenating roots in water and delivering the nutes directly is completely different from soil grown roots. To me you cant really compare the two just like you shouldnt compare indoor vs outdoor.
Mollywhopper
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I still pH in soil. Its the complete difference between getting 3oz on a plant and getting a lb on a plant. If someone doesn't pH it's like saying all u need to drink is .Dr pepper you may live and grow but not like the kid drinking smartwater. In hydro u can fix the pH in a second if u water wrong in soil depending on pot size your plant could be sitting in the wrong pH for days.
Mollywhopper
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Well if I veg more than a month il have a 8x8ft plant. That's again different variables. But same plant same 25gal size pot(one mesh for soil one plastic for hydro) same 30 day veg same nute brand same light same 12 12 switch same wind from fans same humidity same location topped at exact same time same badass staring at them 3 hours twice a day. Hydro put out more as I said above every...time.
P.s. I still use soil and was hardcore against hydro but after learning and getting it down It works. I use soil just in case I have an emergency my plant doesn't need as much attention and could survive missing a water.
"And that's all I got to say about that." Forest Gump.
ganga gurl420
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Right on
..good for you
Mollywhopper
Active Member
Thanks.
this is 30 day veg a couple days in 1212 it's 15 days in flower now I haven't got new pics yet it's about 5x4. And I've cleaned it up since then. This strain is crazy crazy. I think ppl get different results because of different strains. I swear this strain seams like it's made for hydro so maybe some plants will put out more in soil while others in hydro? I've used only 2 or 3 strains throughout the year and stuck with this one because of the insane growth. It's cinex or cenex (cinderella99 x vortex) but they took the swamp bush trait ones for seeds . I messed up on this one early pH meter broke and was giving it 7.0 water for first 2 weeks it bounced back but it left some clawed water leaves
ganga gurl420
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Yes some strains will do better depending on what your doing. There is one strain I've tried growing a couple of times that doesnt like sunlight. The leaves will bubble and warp. If you take the plant and put it back under artificial light it will grow out of it and is healthy again.
Looks like yours does good for hydro...tho it does seem like they are stretchy. Not sure because of light or strain.
Mollywhopper
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Yea this is stacked compared to how they usually stretch sometimes I'll only get 5 or 6 branch offs with a 6ft plant with hardly any water leaves. I thought it looked like crap the first time I seen it thought it was sick. Then I seen the 1.5lb all sticky and I couldn't believe it. I'm doing a grow journal and il be adding some new pics soon. I cleaned it up ALOT since the last pics probably could use more but I don't like stripping them too much.
I use 1000w hps
PJ Diaz
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I don't ph in soil and I don't have that problem. My non-ph soil grows are yielding the same as my ph'd hydro grows did. The potting soil and nutes I use buffer the ph well.
ganga gurl420
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I've never had to ph anything. Organic compost does the work for me. Glad to hear of someone else having no issues
Lucky Luke
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Thats my main point. its the same veg time at 30 days. The canopy will be bigger on the hydro side as it grows faster. Therefore it will yield more due to the larger size of the canopy.