R Burns
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Just say it, dude. The original comment is crazy. Lol! All things equal, hydro kills soil, as far as yield. But better overall quality in soil. I grow in soil.
What is YOUR "Golden" rule for a heavy healthy yield?
RangiSTaxi
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Keep It Simple Stupid.
That is my number one Rule.
Quality Light and intensity , Number TWO
Suitable Growing Media number THREE
Suitable Place Number FOUR
Slow dry Number Five
Rule Six , combined all the rules above to make a single Rule.
That is my number one Rule.
Quality Light and intensity , Number TWO
Suitable Growing Media number THREE
Suitable Place Number FOUR
Slow dry Number Five
Rule Six , combined all the rules above to make a single Rule.
Lucky Luke
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Yield is canopy and light with the genetics involved. How the plant is getting the nourishment has no bearing on that.
When people talk grams per watt they dont add a % due to medium. Grams per watt per harvest they might but thats a different ballgame.
R Burns
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Sorry, man. All things equal, hydro yields more than soil. Its really not debatable. There are hydro v. soil comparisons all over the net. None of them will support your argument.
RangiSTaxi
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Done right yes it does, done wrong no it doesn't, seen so many hydro disasters on forums in my time, and spend hours online in PMs trying to help people fix fuck ups, some times people try running before they can crawl. I always recommend a grow or two in basic potting mix adding nothing , no extra nutrients before they move to hydro. there is a lot to learn in lighting, structure, seed raising, cloning enviroment. etc etc etc without having to worry about the growing media too.
Lucky Luke
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We will have to disagree then and thats OK. What % increase do you believe it is?
RangiSTaxi
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A flood and Drain in Hydroton will grow up to 20% faster in Veg, and can yield 15% higher in flower, if done right.
But Hydro can lead to softer stems, and more stretch if flooded too often, potassium silicate is a must , more so in hydro than in soil/potting mix.
Flood and Drain with hydroton is the only hydroponic method id recommend to smaller cannabis growers, preferably in a large tray, flood bed, not individual pots.
id always recommend a grow or two in basic potting mix first before trying hydro.
The above is just my personal opinion.
Lucky Luke
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I agree that Hydro is faster. No question. If oranges were oranges i believe the yield will be the same. Once the canopy is full- its full. Your growing faster buds your not growing bigger buds.
RangiSTaxi
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Ive done both hydroton ebb and flow, F&D and simple potting mix,. nothing wrong with either,
current grow in basic potting mix, 10 days veg, in a 15cm deep tray. New comers can do alright in Potting mix while learning the ropes before moving to hydro, I moved from hydro to Potting mix because its just simpler for me, even though i got slightly better yeilds with hydro.. Each to their own
Lucky Luke
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im not questioning ur qualifications at all. Please dont get me wrong. And 15% is a huge number. Ive grown in flood and drain Perlite/vermiculite, Perlite /Vermiculite hempy type and soil, currently growing in Canna Terra pro. I have no interest in hydro as im to lazy. Things will go bad very very fast..lol.
But have a look thru grow journals the numbers on avg that people pull is the same as soil. Those who fill the canopy pull more- regardless of medium or lack of.
Its like people say the Quality is better with soil...is it really? or is it the thought of it being more natural just makes people believe it is? Its the same salts at the end of the day.....
R Burns
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Of course. This is assuming that both are done correctly. Soil cannot compete with hydro in terms of yield. I don't recommend that anyone grow hydro, btw. Except cash croppers, I guess. Hydro cannot compete with soil in terms of quality. Im much more concerned with quality than yield. It's why Im a soil guy. But anyone that argues the yield part, simply doesn't know what they are saying.
R Burns
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Bro, you're having an argument from 1998. Trust me, your side lost, terribly!
Lucky Luke
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So your saying that if u have a 4 x 4 space and have a full, 2 foot thick., dark underneath canopy and u hit the switch running Hydro will yield u more? How and why? How much more? Wouldn't faster grown flower be less dense than one that has had more time? (IDK)
If that's the case then a soil less medium would yield more than soil to then? I can only say it didn't for me but i do get faster growth.
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Lucky Luke
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I wasnt aware i was having an argument. Dont pick on 98, it wasnt a bad time, not as good as the late 80's but not to bad. I thought we were discussing. What side? What did I lose?
R Burns
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Credibility!
GreenHighlander
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If you take two cuts from the same mother and grow them both in the same room. The hydro side will finish slightly faster and usually yield more. That being said the soil side will kill it in the quality department.
Think of it this way. Dialed in hydro usually is maxing out on the nutes a plants can use, at all times. Hence the faster growth and heavier yields, but also hence the soil harvest is a much better quality. Especially when you do like I do and try to get away with the least nutes possible.
Cheers
Think of it this way. Dialed in hydro usually is maxing out on the nutes a plants can use, at all times. Hence the faster growth and heavier yields, but also hence the soil harvest is a much better quality. Especially when you do like I do and try to get away with the least nutes possible.
Cheers
Lucky Luke
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But yet you havent answered any of the questions i asked you....
Lucky Luke
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Usually is a better term than "it just does". Id suggest that it might usually yield more due to most hydro growers having more experience than most soil growers.
What % increase did you find going to hydro, what were ur avg numbers before and after.
Last i did any proper weighing and stuff in my set up i avg 2.75 ozzies a plant over different strains over a few harvests . Going from soil to soil-less didn't change the numbers for me.
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GreenHighlander
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I was speaking from the perspective of both the soil and the Hydro grower being masters at their method. Not a couple of us RIU bums lol
If everything else is equal the Hydro will yield more, not LBs more or anything, but generally in the 15% range, and tend to be ready slightly earlier. The metabolism or what ever the fuck, with hydro is just more then soil. That is why the growth rate in veg on a rocking hydro set up is so much more. It also usually isn't able to be so much more without a sealed room and Co2. A soil dialed grow also in a sealed Co2 room is not able to achieve the same growth rates.
But IMHO the quality difference more then makes up for the difference in yield that I may possibly be able to get.
To each their own as long as they keep growing that herb.
Cheers
Lucky Luke
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Interesting that you and Rangi both saw approx 15% more improvement. 15% is a decent number. I'm in a cropping and dairy state and farmers here chase 1% if its viable. Tomato growers chase cents per plant.I was speaking from the perspective of both the soil and the Hydro grower being masters at their method. Not a couple of us RIU bums lol
If everything else is equal the Hydro will yield more, not LBs more or anything, but generally in the 15% range