org@nicinsanity
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yeah sorry about that i got a problem about not being very specific.
Vertical Bare Bulbs for Tall Plants
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rosecitypapa
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There was venting for the room but through the light. When I removed the venting from the light (Ducting running out of the top of the cooltube in the vertical orientation), the room exhaust was not pulling through the light or ducting any more, thereby increasing it's efficiency. The airflow around a vertical bulb with no reflector is much better than one that has a horizontal hood. Heat becomes a much minor issue. With lower heat stress, the plants can get closer to the bulb thereby making more use of the lumin output at a given distance - the lighting sweetspot. I feel that's the elegance of vertical, how close you can get the plant to the light.
In other words, it gives the plant the ability to actively move toward the light for increased metabolism or move away due to heat and slow metabolism. It doesn't get trapped in the 'heat ceiling' of a horizontal set-up, trying to grow but forward into harsh conditions.
I think collective gardener's biggest problem once he goes vertical will be curbing his enthusiasm. On a side note, figuring out the right combination of growth medium around a vertical is my current holy grail.
org@nicinsanity
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yeah awesome i will def be adequately moving air in room with squirrel cage exhaust and seperately ventilated vertical cooltube i also love the thought of the light being so close and making so much energy for plants. i also love the idea of some sort of crazy sideways/vertical low stress training thing. what do you think about that? i have a big room and strong light with good ventilation so lots of room to experiment huh?
collective gardener
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Alright. It took a bit, but we finally have a real discussion on this deal. And, so far, no Ass Clowns mucking up the thread with negative energy. Thank you, people. so much for rising above.
Have you guys seen some of the big ops like I've been talking about? The 40/40 light flip on Urban Gardener? All of these ops are bare bulb no air cooling. I think that we can get away with this in a larger room setting. The 10' ceiling helps a bunch.
Keep bring inbg it on gang. I haven't seen perfection, yet.
Have you guys seen some of the big ops like I've been talking about? The 40/40 light flip on Urban Gardener? All of these ops are bare bulb no air cooling. I think that we can get away with this in a larger room setting. The 10' ceiling helps a bunch.
Keep bring inbg it on gang. I haven't seen perfection, yet.
rosecitypapa
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Just make sure that the cooltubes intake isn't at the bottom of the room where co2 likes to hang, it might not make any difference but to me the air quality changed in my room from where I was drawing air to exhaust from.
I had a similar idea in vertically training. Set everything up, but in the end I enjoyed the natural form of cannabis and chose not to train.
org@nicinsanity
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i would have 1 1000w in a 7.5ft by 7.5 by 8ft height so should i go ,vertical ,bare, no fan, vertical cooltube with slightly weak fans from air hockey table which would exhaust 20-30" below the celing not the top on rosecitypapas recomendation, or...this may be a bad mofo....vertical bare bulbs with the airhockey fans for it and stanley lasko squirrel cage fan for exhaust? i think it could be money fellas? vertical bare bulbs with fans as well for collectivegardener and rosecity papa maybe even?
org@nicinsanity
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the fans at the bottom would be providing the plants with co2 rather than taking it right?with the bare bulb and fans i mean?
Wolverine97
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Yes it would.7' plants with a double cool tube (2kWs) between each grouping. Maintenance would be a bitch though.
Sealed room and c02 all the way - might as well if running cool tubes.
rosecitypapa
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Sure that framework would work, you'll just improve as you go along. I currently do not run a fan pulling air through the cool tube but I'm rethinking that. One of my colas is almost touching the cool tube, don't want to burn it!
I'm on the fence about keeping my focus on a single light in the center or a field of lights within the canopy. In either case, I like the idea of protection from exploding lights, but you do sacrifice some lumens.
I'd like to try having a fan above a bare bulb sucking air past the bulb. It would stimulate a tube torus of airflow that's pretty trippy when you think about it. It reminds me of viktor schauberger's research with vortex energy and water.
Fan underneath blowing up or one at the top sucking, these natural responses to cooling the light also has an unintended benefit of certain type of dominant airflow. An airflow that energizes and vitalizes the immediate area.
The vertical reflectors on the market now don't accommodate for that current of air flowing up past the bulb. It's a missing piece of tech.
And if you are growing trees you'll need a bulb every 3 ft of vertical space.
rosecitypapa
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If you dropped a plant or two to provide access to the inner rings, what's there to maintain?7' plants with a double cool tube (2kWs) between each grouping. Maintenance would be a bitch though.
Sealed room and c02 all the way - might as well if running cool tubes.
btw Cool drawing !
collective gardener
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Nice graphic, man. Well done.7' plants with a double cool tube (2kWs) between each grouping. Maintenance would be a bitch though.
Sealed room and c02 all the way - might as well if running cool tubes.
Gastanker
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Certain things must be taken into consideration.
Looks good. A ton of light in the center, floor and ceiling quite a bit less and the walls very little.
org@nicinsanity
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what about not a sealed room but one where the fans intake from outside the room and exhaust outside it? thatd be good temp control and heat the basement cause the air doesnt get in the room only the cool tube. still having a passive intake and power exhaust though so the cooltubes just like a heater. and rosecitypapa that rhauberg vortex shit is pretty wild sounding and its reassuring to hear you like the sounds of fans on bare bulb too.
org@nicinsanity
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viktor schauberger's
rosecitypapa that rhauberg vortex shit is pretty wild
lol i tried to remember instead of checking
rosecitypapa that rhauberg vortex shit is pretty wild
lol i tried to remember instead of checking
rosecitypapa
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yep Gastanker that looks like my next grow. Although with that many plants around a 600w, they can only be about 6" tall before they are put into flower, otherwise they grow through each other too much. I haven't tried it with a 1000w.
That lighting software is pretty cool, however the parameters that is gives are misleading. The vertical bulbs throw light everywhere including the ceiling. I do think a reflector based loosely on a magnetron would work well. Essentially, it would be a parabolic reflector above each plant in the above configuration linked together as a ring. The vertical bulb would (as it is hung lower) have a clear direct path of light into each reflector. The reflector's design is such that it takes the vertical bulb's path of light and redirects it down onto the top of the plants. That way one can enjoy the benefits of the vertical lighting side lighting the plants as well as capturing light thrown up to the ceiling and channeling it back down to the top of the plants. The challenge is to create the reflector array with a large inner open ring so the benefits of the vertical's airflow dynamic is enjoyed. I have an intuition that a fresnel type design with intermittent reflector surfaces and air gaps would work.
I suppose the room ceiling itself could be modified to be somewhat of a parabolic reflector.
org@nityinsanity, yes, researching viktor is the one of those rabbitholes that can flip your thinking inside out!
collective gardener
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I put in 2 bare bulb 600's in the grow today. We;re going to add 4 more and slide them around the 12 - 1000's in reflectors. I have about 20 plants in veg that I'm not topping. Once they're about 4 feet tall, we'll move em into the bloom room and pack em around the 6 - 600's. I chose 600's to start so I can see what the heat load will be. If it works well, we'll move in some 1000's and remove some of the 1000's in reflectors. It comes a time where we just have to start trying shit out. Thanks for all the input, and please keep it coming.,
org@nicinsanity
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thats the shit dude.
org@nicinsanity
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i made amazingly strong cannabutter on my first time trying that today! lol just remembered that. but really,i had 14oz of schwag trim and put it to 2lbs butter cause the trim was free and it was all i had any way. it was good schwag leaf if that makes any sense,it was sugary ya know.