Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

upthearsenal

upthearsenal

Well-Known Member
Yeah man, thanks. I really like how this girl turned out. Besides the nutrition in the soil, I only fed twice with a SRP and kelp meal tea, with an added microbe inoculate.

I've had a few samples and it's very tasty but obviously I have to wait till it's properly cut and cured... thanks again, Matt, for bringing your philosophies and techniques to light!

My system gone vegan was very simple, yet still needs some tweaking.

...up the vegan organics!!!
 
RPsmoke420

RPsmoke420

Active Member
Matt Rize said:
We both use the mineral matrix. its is one of the best vegan products available. It gets used in small amounts, literally a few drops per gallon, throughout the cycle for advanced growth. I also use for foliar feeding if I have micronute issues. The big thing to know is that the matrix has no Ca. I also use cal/mag, pretty much all the time, because I mix RO and small boy water. In the winter I need the extra Ca/Mg, in the summer our water gets so shitty that I don't have to use any Ca/Mg, and I use less small boy and more RO. I try to keep my starting water at around 100 ppm. I found that trying to adjust your nutes to seasonal water changes is way harder than standardizing your water pH and ppm.
Click to expand...
Man, that's good to know. Was hoping the Mineral Matrix would have me covered. Too bad. I'll make sure to keep some CaMg around too.
 
ebflow

ebflow

New Member
Does anyone know why Natures Nectar Nitrogen says not to use air pumps and stones? was wondering if i should add after brewing up some microbe teas? any ideas, notice it foams pretty crazy with the air stone. Been doing some research on Humbolt's natural bloom... and contacted them for the spec sheets on it...it is plant(kelp) and rock(rock phoshate) based...nothing else. 0-10-0 and 10% calcium!...you can't beat that..using that for bloom...what does everybody else use for vegan phosphorous supplement? also what CaMG product should i use?(mostly for Mg)...blackberry kush sounds delicious.
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
summitoker said:
Any thoughts on this stuff? its 2 differant bottles that are used together.....
http://www.soilsecrets.com/nectar.htm
http://www.soilsecrets.com/ambrosia.htm
Click to expand...
very interesting products. they use some terms that may be BS

Not a compost tea or an extract of compost. Nectar is a concentrated broth of Enzymes, Naturally occurring bacteria in stasis, Mycorrhizal spores and vegetative root tissues and a high level of Total Dissolved Solids derived from the digestion of three types of composts including Worm castings, bacterially dominated and fungally dominated, into a liquid. Much like how your digestive system will turn solid food stuff into a liquid that can pass across the membrane of the small intestine, we digest compost into a liquid that is the foundation of this product. No animal manures, city biosolids or yard wastes are used. All composts ingredients are tightly controlled for quality and specificity. Better then any compost tea, Nectar can be placed into a sealed bottle without losing significant diversity for many months, plus it’s a source of microbiology that’s impossible for Compost tea to achieve and yet stay stable. Using Michael’s exclusive Bacterial stasis and oxygen donor technology to keep this product fresh in the bottle, Nectar is the cutting edge liquid inoculant.
Click to expand...
Ambrosia TM: is my answer to the high salt and high pH liquid Humic acid products that are very popular in the industry. A natural source of Humus in a liquid that was not made using chemical base extraction, so it’s not toxic to the soils microbiology and will not harm the microbes in the product itself. Liquid materials move into the soil faster then the dry humus products such as Humates, Cultured humus in TerraPro etc. Liquids can also be used in spray equipment, injectors or hydroseeders.
Click to expand...
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
ebflow said:
Does anyone know why Natures Nectar Nitrogen says not to use air pumps and stones? was wondering if i should add after brewing up some microbe teas? any ideas, notice it foams pretty crazy with the air stone. Been doing some research on Humbolt's natural bloom... and contacted them for the spec sheets on it...it is plant(kelp) and rock(rock phoshate) based...nothing else. 0-10-0 and 10% calcium!...you can't beat that..using that for bloom...what does everybody else use for vegan phosphorous supplement? also what CaMG product should i use?(mostly for Mg)...blackberry kush sounds delicious.
Click to expand...
If you want to add food to your tea, do it after brewing, right before feeding. Nature's nectar products do not need to bubble. Foam is not a bad thing. The calcium in HN 0-10-0 is from the rock phosphate. That is what I use, on top of Biocanna flores. I use calmag. I also would not be against some epsom salt for extra Mg.
 
YungMoolaBaby

YungMoolaBaby

Well-Known Member
Are earthworm castings considered vegan? It just seems as though earthworm castings do exactly what they're supposed to do. IE earthworms are in soil to keep it healthy and full of usable nutrients.
 
upthearsenal

upthearsenal

Well-Known Member
YungMoolaBaby said:
Are earthworm castings considered vegan? It just seems as though earthworm castings do exactly what they're supposed to do. IE earthworms are in soil to keep it healthy and full of usable nutrients.
Click to expand...
Matt probably has a better answer, but if you know the source then they should be good. I feed my worms an all vegan diet, and personally, I would never deprive my soil of ewc!
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
YungMoolaBaby said:
Are earthworm castings considered vegan? It just seems as though earthworm castings do exactly what they're supposed to do. IE earthworms are in soil to keep it healthy and full of usable nutrients.
Click to expand...
upthearsenal said:
Matt probably has a better answer, but if you know the source then they should be good. I feed my worms an all vegan diet, and personally, I would never deprive my soil of ewc!
Click to expand...
I do not have the most strict definition of vegan. To me the way vegan applies to organic gardening means no products from chordates, or specifically the vertebrates, animals with backbones. That includes fish, bats, birds, & stock animals. Worms do not have backbones. If those worms were fed animal by-products I would pass, but finding all veggie EWC is easy. EWC is a great soil conditioner, don't forget it will make your soil a little heavier and should be balanced with perlite or another soil lightener.

So here is the thing. I'm not a vegan, BUT I smoke a ton of herb and hash, way more than the number of times I eat each day. So I like to take it to that level with my smoke. I noticed five years ago that my best herb in terms of overall affect and smoothness was grown using just kelp and molasses. So I've been slowly taking the guano out for years (everything else is easy to cut, but the guanos are the main phos (P) source for indoor organic gardeners). Others appear to be noticing the difference with vegan organics, over outdoor and indoor traditional organics.
 
ebflow

ebflow

New Member
Might be a little off the topic of the thread but... Do you use any super cropping /topping or FIM techniques with your grows? figured i would ask seeing that it is a very efficient technique that seems to be emphasized with veganics. also when brewing up microbe teas is all you brew. is a molasses myco and enzymes? and do you feed every time or just feed when needed?
Earth worm casting are the way to go. I am vegan and only feed the worms scraps of what i eat.. and they provide me average of 40 pounds of casting in a month! But definitely don't wont to get to heavy on the mix(not much more than 20%). i add old used soil mixed in with the worms and food then they process through it, so it blends pretty well. not to mention the natural break down of the food is much like the way they get plants extracts, so the casting contain a very high concentrate of the fermenting plant mass and beneficial bacteria. a great source of all the minerals. Not to mention the worm tea also!

I think i gonna have to step it up a notch with veganics and go LED....I'am doing a pretty technical review for www.BlackdogLED.com LED's. could use some input. so check it out!

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/392313-blackdog-led-review.html
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
ebflow said:
Might be a little off the topic of the thread but... Do you use any super cropping /topping or FIM techniques with your grows? figured i would ask seeing that it is a very efficient technique that seems to be emphasized with veganics. also when brewing up microbe teas is all you brew. is a molasses myco and enzymes? and do you feed every time or just feed when needed?
Earth worm casting are the way to go. I am vegan and only feed the worms scraps of what i eat.. and they provide me average of 40 pounds of casting in a month! But definitely don't wont to get to heavy on the mix(not much more than 20%). i add old used soil mixed in with the worms and food then they process through it, so it blends pretty well. not to mention the natural break down of the food is much like the way they get plants extracts, so the casting contain a very high concentrate of the fermenting plant mass and beneficial bacteria. a great source of all the minerals. Not to mention the worm tea also!

I think i gonna have to step it up a notch with veganics and go LED....I'am doing a pretty technical review for www.BlackdogLED.com LED's. could use some input. so check it out!

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/392313-blackdog-led-review.html
Click to expand...
YES! I fim. I also supercrop and I lollipop as well. Training techniques like these depend on the variety you grow. Sativas get more work than indicas. I'll post more later today.
 
L

LANDRACELOVER

Member
Nice job Matt. I have used sacanant(SP) along with molasses. nice frost seems to have come out of it. understanding its just a different take on growing is something everyone should remember and this is your view point and experience with a product and all need to remember this also. I as an educator in a northern midwest state like hearing different experience's as we all learn different things and there is no way to test every new product that hits the shelves. I really am enjoying this thread and more than likely will do a run with biocanna now. I like learning and open minds solve things close minds will never advance beyond an x point. The one point I would like to add though is the genetic factor of the seeds grown. It all starts there period. Same name seeds DO NOT MEAN SAME GREAT GENETICS (sorry my own rant LOL) anyway will be following this thread and enjoying it
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
LANDRACELOVER said:
Nice job Matt. I have used sacanant(SP) along with molasses. nice frost seems to have come out of it. understanding its just a different take on growing is something everyone should remember and this is your view point and experience with a product and all need to remember this also. I as an educator in a northern midwest state like hearing different experience's as we all learn different things and there is no way to test every new product that hits the shelves. I really am enjoying this thread and more than likely will do a run with biocanna now. I like learning and open minds solve things close minds will never advance beyond an x point. The one point I would like to add though is the genetic factor of the seeds grown. It all starts there period. Same name seeds DO NOT MEAN SAME GREAT GENETICS (sorry my own rant LOL) anyway will be following this thread and enjoying it
Click to expand...
hey thanks for stopping by :) Most of us out here in the western states grow from clones. BUT everything you said about seeds is true... It's all about the phenotype. Educator...? for OU?
 
L

LANDRACELOVER

Member
Matt Rize said:
hey thanks for stopping by :) Most of us out here in the western states grow from clones. BUT everything you said about seeds is true... It's all about the phenotype. Educator...? for OU?
Click to expand...
Hey Matt, No an independent Educator in MI. I almost flew out there with a friend to go to OU the first year they opened lol. long story short thousands of hours of reading and raising little ones and I became knowledgeable enough to pass on and help others with there Meds. Almost all mine now are clones but started from seed two as far back as seven years. Just cant let go of a good thing sour diesel has lost nothing over the years. Again thanks for the read love learning new stuff:mrgreen:
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
ebflow said:
Might be a little off the topic of the thread but... Do you use any super cropping /topping or FIM techniques with your grows? figured i would ask seeing that it is a very efficient technique that seems to be emphasized with veganics.
Click to expand...
Yes. Training techniques depend on variety. Sativas I like to FIM late, around 16 inches. Them train those branches out and around the tomato cages. Indica/kush get early FIM, if they can take the top without stunting, some indica varieties don't like topping.

I give the main stem chiropractic treatments, meaning I twist between nodes until the inner hurd "pops". I do this more on sativa than indica. Indica/kush get it to, but less. It's really important IMO to have the knuckled main stems. Like when a bone breaks and heals, it's twice as strong after.

I lollipop big time. All varieties. I'm into easy trimming, and wet trimming, and not paying people to help me trim. I also like big buds grown close to the light source.

ebflow said:
also when brewing up microbe teas is all you brew. is a molasses myco and enzymes? and do you feed every time or just feed when needed?
Click to expand...
No. I use a food source (molasses) with a little humic acid, and yucca extract. Then I add the life source, right now I'm using Alaskan humisoil or Mayan microzyme.

ebflow said:
Earth worm casting are the way to go. I am vegan and only feed the worms scraps of what i eat.. and they provide me average of 40 pounds of casting in a month! But definitely don't wont to get to heavy on the mix(not much more than 20%). i add old used soil mixed in with the worms and food then they process through it, so it blends pretty well. not to mention the natural break down of the food is much like the way they get plants extracts, so the casting contain a very high concentrate of the fermenting plant mass and beneficial bacteria. a great source of all the minerals. Not to mention the worm tea also!
Click to expand...
Great stuff on worms. It's about time I start a bin. +rep
 
ebflow

ebflow

New Member
Matt Rize said:
Yes. Training techniques depend on variety. Sativas I like to FIM late, around 16 inches. Them train those branches out and around the tomato cages. Indica/kush get early FIM, if they can take the top without stunting, some indica varieties don't like topping.

Tomato cages! Nice, does that control the height or the sativa's?

I lollipop big time. All varieties. I'm into easy trimming, and wet trimming, and not paying people to help me trim. I also like big buds grown close to the light source.

Never heard of Lollipoping, Could you explain a bit more on it?
Click to expand...
 
Matt Rize

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Matt Rize said:
Yes. Training techniques depend on variety. Sativas I like to FIM late, around 16 inches. Them train those branches out and around the tomato cages. Indica/kush get early FIM, if they can take the top without stunting, some indica varieties don't like topping.
Click to expand...
ebflow said:
Tomato cages! Nice, does that control the height or the sativa's?

I lollipop big time. All varieties. I'm into easy trimming, and wet trimming, and not paying people to help me trim. I also like big buds grown close to the light source.

Never heard of Lollipoping, Could you explain a bit more on it?
Click to expand...
I like the tom cages for a couple reasons. 1) reuse-able (versus net screen) 2) bleach-able (bambu stakes don't like bleaching) 3) does not provide shelter for pests (like bambu).

I find the 42" cages to be the perfect height for sativa. The size down is better for indica/afganica (real kushes = afganica). I try to spread out the budding sites, using twist-ties and the cage frame. You know that game. Horizontal training techniques for all nice buds, no suckers.

Lollipopping: is when you remove the lower flower sites (nodes) but leave the leaves. There are many names for this. This focuses the energy on the upper budding sites. This is also known as culling the suckers.
 
Rayne

Rayne

Well-Known Member
Matt Rize said:
I do not have the most strict definition of vegan. To me the way vegan applies to organic gardening means no products from chordates, or specifically the vertebrates, animals with backbones. That includes fish, bats, birds, & stock animals. Worms do not have backbones. If those worms were fed animal by-products I would pass, but finding all veggie EWC is easy. EWC is a great soil conditioner, don't forget it will make your soil a little heavier and should be balanced with perlite or another soil lightener.

So here is the thing. I'm not a vegan, BUT I smoke a ton of herb and hash, way more than the number of times I eat each day. So I like to take it to that level with my smoke. I noticed five years ago that my best herb in terms of overall affect and smoothness was grown using just kelp and molasses. So I've been slowly taking the guano out for years (everything else is easy to cut, but the guanos are the main phos (P) source for indoor organic gardeners). Others appear to be noticing the difference with vegan organics, over outdoor and indoor traditional organics.
Click to expand...
Wikipedia: Veganism
Wikipedia: Vegan Organic "Veganic" Gardening
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top