upthearsenal
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the dude at the shop also mentioned the btp will be back at the start of the new year.
Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I used to mix two bags of happy frog with one ocean forest, plus 5 gallons of perlite and EWC and granular myco. For years that kept me without any serious problems, then I moved to Cali to be free and the water where I am sucks (varies greatly depending on source).
Do you plan on mixing the ocean forest with promix to lighten it? And i know you have some ewc in the mix somewhere... right? How do you feel about additional perlite (say you were testing ocean forsest vs btp)?
Also. thx for the heads up of the BTP. I thought Canna would figure something out, we got the biggest effing Cannabis market in the world.
upthearsenal
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yeah, i need to harvest my vermi poop. i let it build up for a couple extra weeks so i should have about a pound of fresh ewc. idk if i want to add more perlite, but i do want to have a mix that's maybe 70% promix, 30% OF and then maybe, for comparison, an OF-heavy mix. and i'll add coco for more volume
i've also been looking into my guano source:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The bats don’t give us very much time to do the harvesting. Some years they don’t leave for their winter home until a really cold spell sends them on their way. Which is usually November or later. Then we have to wait another ten days to two weeks for the guano beetles to finish their job of digesting the guano and any dead bats into a fine, better smelling product. Actually the product we harvest is more beetle poop than bat poop".[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The shaft in the back of the cave, and the harvesting, has made the cave a better habitat for the bats. To show their appreciation the bats swirl up, each night, in enormous columns with a spectacular show. And when they are away on vacation they allow us to take from their summer home tons of the very finest plant food". [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]-Malcolm Beck
[/FONT]more beetle poop than bat poop?! is that normal?
i've also been looking into my guano source:
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The bats don’t give us very much time to do the harvesting. Some years they don’t leave for their winter home until a really cold spell sends them on their way. Which is usually November or later. Then we have to wait another ten days to two weeks for the guano beetles to finish their job of digesting the guano and any dead bats into a fine, better smelling product. Actually the product we harvest is more beetle poop than bat poop".[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The shaft in the back of the cave, and the harvesting, has made the cave a better habitat for the bats. To show their appreciation the bats swirl up, each night, in enormous columns with a spectacular show. And when they are away on vacation they allow us to take from their summer home tons of the very finest plant food". [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]-Malcolm Beck
[/FONT]more beetle poop than bat poop?! is that normal?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Yes, I believe that is normal. BUT... Did you notice he said the dead bats were part of the guano mix (wonder why they died...). In that guano mix is also anything else that died in that cave. And the he has confused "appreciation" with disturbance. This must also mean that they are entering the cave while bats are present, which is bad from an environmental stand point. And the part about the bats benefiting from them "widening" the cave is bs, let nature be. With a widened cave, who knows what can get trapped and die down there.
upthearsenal
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the cave they are talking about is owned by Bat Conservation International so i don't think they go inside when the bats are present. i still don't like it though, i just can't seem to find a good one, even if it is ormi
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
At least you aren't using dog poop like that one id posted the other week. I hope no one really tried that.
Natural phos sources that I know about are really just bat guano and soft rock phosphate. Last round I used a highly refined bat guano source (Nature's Nectar), but this round I am testing HN's natural flower. It is not certified organic, but consists of soft rock phosphate and kelp, with a 2% yucca extract. I want to see if I can tell the difference between phos sources: bat guano and soft rock.
post edit, the HN bloom natural also has 10% calcium, thats unusually high... right?
Natural phos sources that I know about are really just bat guano and soft rock phosphate. Last round I used a highly refined bat guano source (Nature's Nectar), but this round I am testing HN's natural flower. It is not certified organic, but consists of soft rock phosphate and kelp, with a 2% yucca extract. I want to see if I can tell the difference between phos sources: bat guano and soft rock.
post edit, the HN bloom natural also has 10% calcium, thats unusually high... right?
upthearsenal
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what's your opinion on human pee as a fertilizer?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Oh man. I've been discussing humanure over on icmag. I am against it personally. I consider human excrement to be a super last resort old school technique. That being said, I've been trimming some really great outdoor grown with humanure. And it is selling just fine.
One thing to consider is that your urine concentration can vary greatly depending. I wouldn't piss on the indoor just because of the smell...
DudeLebbowski
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Very interesting information. What tea would you suggest as the best supplement?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Alright, we gotta take it back cause I'm not sure how to answer
A 'tea' in our world refers to either an AACT or ACT. AACT= Actively Aerated Compost Tea. A brew of sorts from compost that has a high microbe count. These are used to refresh soil life and release food from the soil-food-web.
Check this out: http://www.gardenrant.com/my_weblog/2007/06/jeff_lowenfels_.html
A 'supplement' (IMO) refers to a product available in stores, that usually has a specific purpose. A common example is a Cal/Mag supplement.
With that in mind, I have to ask what you mean by best? Best for what? And did you mean tea or supplement? Thanks
DudeLebbowski
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My bad.
I just misunderstood, I was really stoned.
I thought you meant tea like green tea or something
I just misunderstood, I was really stoned.
I thought you meant tea like green tea or something
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Dude: sall good brah
Madodah: come on now, that was a fair question I asked, my stoner radar was firing. and I used YOUR link! we are on the same team.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Now we can go back to new school teas. Traditionally teas have been brewed from compost and soil. This brewing includes a food source that the microbes feed on to reproduce and thrive. There are many quality examples of home-made brew kits and recipes available on rollitup.
The point of brewing these AACT concoctions is to increase life. This tea is usually filtered and the goodies (water + microbes + plant/microbe food*) are added to dirt to unlock the soil-food-web.
Products such as Mayan Microzyme are what I call "new school tea" products, in that they represent the other side of the tea coin. Mayan is a liquid microbe starter that we have covered in this thread, but is something that you can pick up from the store and use a tablespoon as needed to inoculate your brew. It is brewed just like an AACT, but the only ingredients you need are mayan and molasses.
When I'm not using an actual AACT, or Mayan, I like to use soluble microbes. Examples are great white, myco madness, and white widow.
MORE LIFE!
* optional, depends on soil amendments and plant needs.
The point of brewing these AACT concoctions is to increase life. This tea is usually filtered and the goodies (water + microbes + plant/microbe food*) are added to dirt to unlock the soil-food-web.
Products such as Mayan Microzyme are what I call "new school tea" products, in that they represent the other side of the tea coin. Mayan is a liquid microbe starter that we have covered in this thread, but is something that you can pick up from the store and use a tablespoon as needed to inoculate your brew. It is brewed just like an AACT, but the only ingredients you need are mayan and molasses.
When I'm not using an actual AACT, or Mayan, I like to use soluble microbes. Examples are great white, myco madness, and white widow.
MORE LIFE!
* optional, depends on soil amendments and plant needs.
upthearsenal
Well-Known Member
so then you see no issues using outdoor compost to make teas for your indoor containers?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Not really, what would the issue be? And my compost tea is coming from a closed circuit organic farm. They have chickens, but not in the compost. This compost is from: garden scraps, old bread, Cannabis stems, and hashed trim.
upthearsenal
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more of a clarification if anything, when i was younger i use outdoor compost to top-dress my plants and i had some horrible pest issues. that's an obvious mistake, but i'm sure if everything is filtered well and properly there really should be no issue.
my compost isn't vegan, we throw a lot of egg shells in it. i still don't know if i'd use it though, i'm just weary of using anything from the outdoors indoors, i guess i'd have to take a good look at it when i finish the brew
my compost isn't vegan, we throw a lot of egg shells in it. i still don't know if i'd use it though, i'm just weary of using anything from the outdoors indoors, i guess i'd have to take a good look at it when i finish the brew
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I brew in a mesh bag and only use the liquid. The spent brew ingredients get put back in the compost. That's the thing about using outside stuff inside, all sorts of risks. But I am trying to compromise and bring more sustainability inside. Can't keep buying tea starters forever. You can heat the tea, but not too hot. Maybe one of these guys knows how hot is okay. I think I read 100 degrees.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
mo - that was a set-up under-hand pitch to you... and you hit a line drive at the pitcher.