Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

okay, so if things go well i'm off to get soil tomorrow, would a FFOF, btp, maybe some light warrior and coco mix be good in your opinion? with added dry fertz, ie. kelp meal, worm castings. i won't be getting any pricey soultions, so i'm going to have to focus on making a great initial mixture instead. by the time flowering comes i should have more dinero for flowering nutes, so i won't worry about that now. i hope that mix will take me through a six week veg, with some supplementation as needed through foliar feeding.

upthearsenal said:

okay, so if things go well i'm off to get soil tomorrow, would a FFOF, btp, maybe some light warrior and coco mix be good in your opinion? with added dry fertz, ie. kelp meal, worm castings. i won't be getting any pricey soultions, so i'm going to have to focus on making a great initial mixture instead. by the time flowering comes i should have more dinero for flowering nutes, so i won't worry about that now. i hope that mix will take me through a six week veg, with some supplementation as needed through foliar feeding.

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I like that mix plan, the light warrior will lighten up the FFOF and BTP, so will the coco. The kelp/casting will add more slow release (because the BTP has none, and the FFOF only has a little).

You are doing some tea too?

Hey Matt what do u use for PH down? My best research tells me Apple cider vinegar or Lemon juice , which is more effective of the two ?

yeah, teas fosho. i'll also add this soil activator that helps promote indigenous microbes, and if i have any $$$ left over i might get some great white or something of the sort.

how's the pH of the btp if used by itself?

upthearsenal said:

how's the pH of the btp if used by itself?

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perfect pH for the bio terra plus, that is the whole point. 6.5 ish. I still like to watch my pH, even if I'm not adjusting, just an old habit.

Matt Rize said:

Well cerb, I used the word "should" from the start because I don't know a damn thing about his grow other than what he gave me. You could help the guy out, instead of pointing out my lacking... nothing in my response was horrible... not like I told him to grow chemy hydro.

Please do go back and notice the "should"s and "if"s that are peppered throughout my response.

This thread is supposed to be about VEGAN ORGANICS anyways, lol. Keep the questions coming guys, I will do all I can to help get you started on the organics path.

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your 100% totaly corrrect. I caught the thread at that point and I jumped on ya hard. my bad

upthearsenal said:

yeah, teas fosho. i'll also add this soil activator that helps promote indigenous microbes, and if i have any $$$ left over i might get some great white or something of the sort.

how's the pH of the btp if used by itself?

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I just picked up some white Vinegar, 2ML dropped my 8.5 Tap water down to 6.7
I'm pretty sure it wont affect the mycorrhiza, but I'm not 100%.

kingofqueen said:

Hey Matt what do u use for PH down? My best research tells me Apple cider vinegar or Lemon juice , which is more effective of the two ?

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Forget it ! got it taken care of !

Fluxcap said:

I just picked up some white Vinegar, 2ML dropped my 8.5 Tap water down to 6.7
I'm pretty sure it wont affect the mycorrhiza, but I'm not 100%.

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right on, i've been using apple cider vinegar yet that takes about 30ml to drop the pH from 8.5 to 6.5. kinda sucks, i let it sit for several hrs before applying it, i've noticed that the pH is much more accurate if you let it sit

upthearsenal said:

right on, i've been using apple cider vinegar yet that takes about 30ml to drop the pH from 8.5 to 6.5. kinda sucks, i let it sit for several hrs before applying it, i've noticed that the pH is much more accurate if you let it sit

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Are you adding vinegar to plain water? I've noticed this pH shifting over time, of which you speak. I've searched around about that and the opinions vary. I like to test all of my products' affect on pH over 24 hours. Of course, once the solution is added to the soil it becomes part of a larger pH equation.

I just watered, and all I used this feeding was some Bountea with root web, and the bio canna vega. I checked pH just for fun, and it was somewhere between 6.3 and 6.4. My filtered water pH is 8.0 plain. GO FERMENTED PLANT EXTRACTS and FRUIT ACIDS.

Is that you missed my question or what I would think that you have alot of experiance in this area and could provide an honest answer .


So go back and look and see what you think I,d ask again but I feel offended .
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kingofqueen said:

Is that you missed my question or what I would think that you have alot of experiance in this area and could provide an honest answer .


So go back and look and see what you think I,d ask again but I feel offended .
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wrote a super long reply, but i wasn't logged in and lost it....argh. rewriting reply, thanks for patience.

Matt Rize said:

Are you adding vinegar to plain water? I've noticed this pH shifting over time, of which you speak. I've searched around about that and the opinions vary. I like to test all of my products' affect on pH over 24 hours. Of course, once the solution is added to the soil it becomes part of a larger pH equation.

I just watered, and all I used this feeding was some Bountea with root web, and the bio canna vega. I checked pH just for fun, and it was somewhere between 6.3 and 6.4. My filtered water pH is 8.0 plain. GO FERMENTED PLANT EXTRACTS and FRUIT ACIDS.

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yeah, apple cider vinegar in tap water, i think the pH just settles due to something on a molecular level, i can't remember for shit what it was but i'm sure it's googlable.

do you know of any plants/fruits one can ferment themselves?

okay, well i'm taking that 50000000 mile trip to the hydro store today, i might have enough to get one solution, haha. should i go for the bioboost?
what exactly does it do for you? is it even used/helpful in veg or should i just wait till i get near flowering? idk! i'm just confusing myself now.

upthearsenal said:

yeah, apple cider vinegar in tap water, i think the pH just settles due to something on a molecular level, i can't remember for shit what it was but i'm sure it's googlable.

do you know of any plants/fruits one can ferment themselves?

okay, well i'm taking that 50000000 mile trip to the hydro store today, i might have enough to get one solution, haha. should i go for the bioboost?
what exactly does it do for you? is it even used/helpful in veg or should i just wait till i get near flowering? idk! i'm just confusing myself now.

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Yeah, the pH rising rising over time when using ph down affect...I'm sure I've read about it on one of these forums. I'll look into it later... chopping down the OD purple kush today.

I've recently seen a thread on here about using bananas in tea, that is a fruit acid extraction method, I think.

The bioboost has serious affects on flower production, and metabolism in general. But it is super pricey. I use a little in mid veg, to get things amped before flipping. Then I use it as directed (1-3 weeks flowering). You can foliar feed it, with a little surfactant, to seriously cut down on the use. Think about it: the bioboost is okay to foliar because it is just plant hormones (no poo, no food, just a 'tea' of sorts). You will only need a pint or two of solution, which is very little actual boost and it will go a long way. I do both foliar and feeding the roots.

Post edit: another possible affect of the boost is a shortened life cycle. I feel like my plants flip faster, set bud faster, and ripen faster with this stuff. I've cut 5 days out of an already short life cycle.

hmmm, interesting. that sounds pretty sweet. i guess i should just wait, i probably wouldn't use it for about another month.

bananas- good source of K? i'm assuming.

get some pics of you harvest up mang!

ok i stopped reading after the 7th page, all I have to say is that i used motherfuckin bananas blended up in a blender with water as my source of potassium for my first grow with my two plants that magically sprouted up in my front and side yard, random genetics mediocre genetics, yet i still harvested a QP from 2 plants that werent even close to being finished, they still needed about 3 more weeks but needed to be cut down due to problems with my housing.. So you people that say that the MJ plants have been bred to take chemical ferts can suck a dick, ORGANIC PLANT BASED IS THE WAY TO GO the bud is of a much higher quality in flavor, smooth inhale, and high.. you dont get the nasty left over tastes from nasty chemicals, and you arent smoking something you possibly shouldn't be

GENERALIVXX said:

ok i stopped reading after the 7th page, all I have to say is that i used motherfuckin bananas blended up in a blender with water as my source of potassium for my first grow with my two plants that magically sprouted up in my front and side yard, random genetics mediocre genetics, yet i still harvested a QP from 2 plants that werent even close to being finished, they still needed about 3 more weeks but needed to be cut down due to problems with my housing.. So you people that say that the MJ plants have been bred to take chemical ferts can suck a dick, ORGANIC PLANT BASED IS THE WAY TO GO the bud is of a much higher quality in flavor, smooth inhale, and high.. you dont get the nasty left over tastes from nasty chemicals, and you arent smoking something you possibly shouldn't be

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really it's that simple? do you have any specific banana-water ratio you used?

upthearsenal said:

really it's that simple? do you have any specific banana-water ratio you used?

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it really is simple...google it
it should be fermented for about a month
any kind of vegetation can be used
comfrey is a good one that alot of people use
legumes is another one

Here goes a funny link of me smoking some flowers and bubble from my last round to demonstrate the "no cough" claim I have made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8-tMEk6T4

And some pictures in case you just joined the conversation.

The taste has been described as "a mouthful of flowers and blackberries"

And the affect has been described as "the first blackberry that got me really high".

The affect is soft and potent at the same time, which is a huge change of pace for those of us accustomed to smoking OG and Diesel all the time.

so i got some btp, and OF, but instead of light warrior i got promix. i might just grow in different mixes to find out which i would like. got any suggestions on a mix i could use?
i want to run a grow straight on btp, but since i only have on bag i think i'd have to dedicate the whole bag to a plant.