US Government Monitoring Facebook for Federal Reserve Protests
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sync0s
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I only need to say two words: Patriot Act.
londonfog
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I think you know very little about military birds and the when, what, and how they are use...but google is still our friend..very glad to see that you tried to use it...The USAF could very well use ONE AWACS bird to do what it needed to do to shut communication down in a region ( not just some farmer in ButtFuck,USA)...so it won't be "hey the gubberment shut down my internet"...it will be "Hey they shut down ALL OUR communications"...but you go ahead and keep thinking you will have internet service in a revolution...
Dirty Harry
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Every country has control to all points that communications enter and exit their country. All they need to do is force all entry/exit points to cease operation or else. Some countries have severe filters on what they allow. Yes, tech. savvy may get around them, but most of the rioters are not that tech smart.
Yes, with wireless you can still make a network, or using ad-hock connections you don't even need a true network to communicate...but you don't have any information flowing in or out from the out side. No true world wide web access, your in the dark. If Facebook or twitter doesn't have a live server in the country, black out. It they do and are still allowed to operate, your only talking amongst yourselves.
Yes, with wireless you can still make a network, or using ad-hock connections you don't even need a true network to communicate...but you don't have any information flowing in or out from the out side. No true world wide web access, your in the dark. If Facebook or twitter doesn't have a live server in the country, black out. It they do and are still allowed to operate, your only talking amongst yourselves.
This is coming from someone who spent 23 years in the AF? Guess you didn't know that AWACS are not fitted with electronic countermeasures. In fact they couldn't jam an I-pod.
AWACS planes are COMMUNICATIONS and Early Warning planes with a big ass radar array. They have ANTI jamming capabilities but carry no JAMMING hardware themselves.
What was your MOS in the Air Force?
Know why I specifically Said the EA-6B? Cuz I have worked on them. How many ECM planes you work on? I am assuming none since you incorrectly Identify a AWACS plane as a ECM plane, which it is not. E-3's don't have any jamming capability.
And you were trying to belittle my knowledge of ECM planes.
londonfog
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Ok no I'm not trying to belittle your knowledge of Navy Electronic Counter Measures ACFT, but you need to stop thinking just on the level of jamming only...I just happen to know what the E8 Joint Stars program brought to the table and that was an AWACS bird that can withstand EMC capabilities , while hindering communications of others ( among a whole lot of other shit it can do)...Now I'm not knocking the Prowler but the Joint Stars bird is a much better plane, with longer flight time, wider range of surveillance, also having a battle command center on board..Now both planes were manufactured by the same company ..one is just ran by the Navy/Marines (Prowler) ...the other by the Air force/Army (E-8 Joint Stars)...The Prowler has a crew of about 4...The E-8 can have a crew of about 18 to run all the shit it can do...you would need about 4 Prowlers to do the job that 1 E-8 can do..The E-8 can locate a single jeep verify the freaking license plate number and then intercept the fucking phone call being made by occupiers ( Prowler can't even began to do that) It can also disrupt ALL communications if needed..The E-8 has a higher service ceiling and faster cruise speed,so again thats why I say you picked the wrong bird, but I'm sure its your bias to the Navy...and I do thank you for serving your country...and I only discuss things that can be discussed..but those E-8 are no fucking joke...
There are only like 15 of those E-8 planes and I don't believe they have much ECM capability either. Them Birds are command and control birds, Generals in the sky kind of thing .
The Prowler and Intruder Airframe goes back to the 1950's when it was developed.and first flights were made in 1960. Its old as fuck. Problem is they just haven't found anything better. You can have a prowler up in the air jamming radar and Comm before the guys on the E-8 get their socks on. Both planes can stay in the air for a VERY long time, both are capable of in air refueling.
Does the E-8 carry any armaments or does it rely on other aircraft to defend it?
The Prowler is especially useful because it generally flies with the attack aircraft and jams the enemy with more effectiveness than a long range jamming aircraft. Long range jammers also tend to jam their own aircraft also.
I thought the Air Force had B-52's setup as Long Standoff jammers, but used the exact same ALQ-99 pods that the Prowler uses?
I know they have a C-130 that is setup for ECM, the Compass Call and I think there are some F-16s that have tactical use too. I do know for sure that there are a lot more prowlers than Compass, like 13 Compass and 170 prowlers.
Think they can jam Smoke Signals? It might come to that.
The Prowler and Intruder Airframe goes back to the 1950's when it was developed.and first flights were made in 1960. Its old as fuck. Problem is they just haven't found anything better. You can have a prowler up in the air jamming radar and Comm before the guys on the E-8 get their socks on. Both planes can stay in the air for a VERY long time, both are capable of in air refueling.
Does the E-8 carry any armaments or does it rely on other aircraft to defend it?
The Prowler is especially useful because it generally flies with the attack aircraft and jams the enemy with more effectiveness than a long range jamming aircraft. Long range jammers also tend to jam their own aircraft also.
I thought the Air Force had B-52's setup as Long Standoff jammers, but used the exact same ALQ-99 pods that the Prowler uses?
I know they have a C-130 that is setup for ECM, the Compass Call and I think there are some F-16s that have tactical use too. I do know for sure that there are a lot more prowlers than Compass, like 13 Compass and 170 prowlers.
Think they can jam Smoke Signals? It might come to that.
jdmcwestevo
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i dont know about you flyboys but in the Marines they waste all kinds of time and money on stupid shit so i wouldnt put it past them to drop a couple million to jam one guy hahaha
londonfog
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I think they would not hesitant to put a E-8 in the air to stop or intercept communication if we had real revolution..not just people burning there own neighborhoods and calling it a riot...I mean a real revolution.....and yes the military does waste tons of money...
I dunno, Its pretty hard to Imagine the Military attacking Americans'. I know the Marines would never do such a thing, but the other bigger forces I am not so sure.
0011StealTH
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control, control it self cant be control.
0011StealTH
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any body will do it for a fucking paycheck its sad.
i will have to quote you in the future
jdmcwestevo
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lol i remember one time we destroyed (dermo) a ton of perfectly good computers and shit for no real reason lol. military wastes so much money. if there is a revolution it will be very interesting to see how many marines follow orders lol i know the guys i was with we talked about that shit alot if we would turn on our own you know..... we are all out now, but we all talk everyday just about. i dont think the military would fight americans well all americans anyway lol what do you guys think. i know nobody in the marines likes obama lol
jdmcwestevo
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ya but that is different they arent actively shooting protestors i know that most cops couldnt pull the trigger anyway or they would hesitate. which you cant blame people for that, but it is a fact. anyone who has taken a life knows what i am talking about. fucking someone with a ticket and shooting abunch of people are two different situations entirely
londonfog
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ok say what you will..but it sometimes boils down to us vs them...just depends on if you a us or them..you let some protester disobey an order to disburse and return home during curfew...add to that a weapon in the hands of said protestor..you think someone not going down...ok ...lets just hope that shit never happens...I wonder if they said the same thing at Waco " They will never shoot us or burn us out"..."hey whats that burning David"
You take an oath to defend the Constitution when you join the service, you know that. Dissent is a Constitutionally protected right. So where does every politician get his Authority from? The Constitution. Therefore the constitutional rights afforded to citizens automatically supersedes any authority of the Executive. The UCMJ makes a distinction between a Lawful order and a Legal order. A Lawful order is within the bounds of the Constitution while a legal order may not be. They taught us this shit in the Marines, not so sure they teach the others.
jdmcwestevo
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i was taught the same stuff but i have seen that system fail many times. i know a great ssgt that knows his job better than anyone but he denied orders from a boot capt. because it was illegal he got a neg. fit rep and retired a ssgt instead of gunny. nobody could do shit about it. same thing with politicians giving orders what level is going to say stop and enough. will it stop at pentagon level or lower troop levels. that is the question are you defending a piece of paper and people hiding behind it or the people's best interest in the nation you swore to.
