Transplanting issue/question

Winter Woman

Well-Known Member
I didn't want to go up into my attic looking for my old text books. I would love to tell you what I studied at MSU, but I am just one of a handful of women who studied in my field. And I like to stay under the radar.

It is commonly known that plants that get just a little extra roots in a pot does increase top growth. Since I studied it I know that it works. The problem is that they can become spindly if roots do become bound, not good. For an example, if you so to a greenhouse and you see, say, Saliva in starter trays. Some plants are smaller, stouter, looking incredibly healthy but not flowering, yet and are slightly root bound. That is the plant you want to buy. Then there are the ones that catch your eye they are blooming away. But, if you look closer at them you'll see that they are spindly and root bound. We have all seen that in a greenhouse. It is blooming because it thinks that it has to flower because without transplanting it will die so it is kicking in so that it will reproduce-not good at this stage. But, people think this is good because it is flowering, it is flowering because it is stressed.

An actual healthy plant at this stage would have just green growth on top, that plant will grow much better. Setting itself up for taller, healthier, stronger plant. Potting up keeps the plant in a stage of being just slightly root bound, which is good for top growth.

I do pot up. I won't do it any other way.

On another note, I have never understood why someone would think that stressing a plant will make it stronger. Drying a plant out too far reduces turgor creating the potential for wilt. Thereby weakening the plant and a weak plant is more susceptible to diseases and the affects of pests.

Anyway, it's a plant. It will either grow or die and there is always the next time. Also, using a too big of pot in the beginning will give you a good root system, but the top growth will take much longer to develop that's all.

If you want proof nose around MSU's online library it is a wealth of information.

Edit: I do not want to say that I know everything, because I don't. I have learned much from some people on this site. Especially about lighting. But, I have seen people intentionally give out bad advice. So you must take what I say however you see it. But, if you look around in the different university websites I'm sure you'll find the answer you are looking for.





Any proof of said studies? links or anything for me to see?
 

Winter Woman

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He is talking like a production grower.

I have to leave for Vegas in the next couple of days. When I get back, near the end of the month, I'll search my text books and see if I can find the part about potting up.

I know you can but...... to ge the fastest groth rate you need to pot up. I have tried both ways for YEARS and always go back to potting up transplant. I have well over 200 harvests under my belt...not trying to talk shit just want to help.....Why you guys fighting me on this when I have been doing this way longer than most of you?
I've been a production grower. Why would you transplant into a huge pot and wait it for it to fill when you can get it to fill in 1.5 weeks then move to the next...trust me it works! My yeilds and meds are proff...but I cant prove it on the net. How many of you have 10 pateints ( Wife is caregiver also ) and run a 8KW room and have a waiting list of patients wating YOUR meds...Not many cause all the poser cargivers make my job easy,,.,Nuff said
 

Winter Woman

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The problem Stump is there are posers here. We've all seen them.

Somewhere on my desk is a study about Hot Shots when I find it I'll get the link and send it to you. It is not as bad as people say, they used to use the active ingredient in airplanes between flights for decades. No one got sick. Though I do not suggest anyone expose themselves to any chemical for an extended period of time. It is deactivated by water, so misting will it degrade it. Since the half-life is so very short I just remove them about 2 to 3 weeks before harvest. Also, do not store any soil or soil products in your grow room. Fungus gnats will lay their eggs there too and the cycle will repeat itself.

There is nothing wrong with asking questions. The crappy answers will tell you who knows and who blows.

Edit: There is such a thing as a root bound plant.
I'm not hating on you man. You struck a nerve with me when you started calling people "posers".. Everyone has their own methods, I try to respect them all and be open minded.

There's a lot of ""experts"" who claim one way is the only way, but maybe they just aren't good at doing something the other way where as someone else may be.

Kind of like the guys that believe in root bound plants.. I say there's no such thing. I've yielded 3oz in 1/2 gallon of dirt off a 3' tall plant. Most people would've had that plant die and called it root bound.

If we master a particular method then it works for us, don't mean it will for everyone. Maybe some of these guys mastered poppin seeds in 5g buckets?
 

Winter Woman

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University studies are the reason we can feed the world. Anything we can learn from them we should use. I just don't want to be anyone's lackey and do their online research for them.

I won't tell you what I think about advanced nutes. I believe in KISS.
You newbies crack me up....Only going to try it if you read a study? You use Advanced Nutes too don't you...lol
 

Organicgold

Active Member
Mee too! My buddy at the Hydro store hates it when I go there for soil pick ups. I try and talk every customer out of buying all that fancy smoke and mirrors hydro nutes and supplements. Thats why all these "Poser CG"( Not you stumpy...lol) have to charge over 250 an oz cause they spend so much at the hydro store...KISS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

BigBuddahCheese

New Member
I bust my clones out of dirt if they are in it, with shake, vigorous washing, and getting my fingers in there to knock all that crap dirt off em. Don't worry I think I kill most of mine with roots falling off and looking like I just raped them but they bounce right back in a day and take off like nothing happened.
 

stumpjumper

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How long you been growing? To say you never seen or no such thing as root bound plant is just ignorant...sorry
Only about 20 years...

Like I said, I've grown 3' tall plants that yeilded 3oz of quality smoke in 1/2 gallon of dirt. I'm pretty positive that you "professionals" would've told me that that plant was rootbound and wouldn't survive, let alone yeild 3oz.

I'm not saying 3oz is a impressive yeild, just saying it was a nice plant for being in 1/2 gallon of dirst and was not in the least bit unhealthy.
 

Organicgold

Active Member
Ok what strain was it? Yeild has alot to do with genetics...you should know that. I have a Blue cheese that is root bound as we type. It is a 2gal pot and is about 14" tall and is root bound as hell. Want pics?
Sure you can feed the roots and soil and keep it alive..buy to say they are not root bound is bogus. So its like growing a Soma Rockbud and flowering one in a 2 gal and another is a 5 gal you will get a better yield out of the 5gal? Yes if you fill that 5 gal with roots from a good veg cycle and root stimulators. Bigger roots=Bigger Buds.
 

ismokealotofpot

New Member
I hope miles got what he was looking for. MSU is your friend you can send in soil samples, water samples, ask what ever questions you want. They are very helpful. As far as the pot thing goes you can grow a 4 foot tall plant in a 1 gallon pot but its a good idea to transplant before flowering.
 

Winter Woman

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What I noticed by repotting is that I seem to get a wider plant. But, what the heck, it is after all, just a plant. And in a few more weeks it's a whole new chance to start over.

MSU is a growers friend that's for sure.
I hope miles got what he was looking for. MSU is your friend you can send in soil samples, water samples, ask what ever questions you want. They are very helpful. As far as the pot thing goes you can grow a 4 foot tall plant in a 1 gallon pot but its a good idea to transplant before flowering.
 

stumpjumper

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Stump, Whatever.
You'd never guess that I worked in a greenhouse/nursery starting at the age of 14.. and have been a horticulturist ever since. I spent 5 years working for a nursery as THE propagator specializing at rooting cuttings/clones. I can propagate just about any plant you put in front of me.

You might be book learned, but I was taught by hands on experience. :)
 
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