Transition from Veg appropriate nutes to flowering nutes

Boonierat said:

Here's some "million dollar research".

http://www.jacksclassic.com/flowering_plant_care.html

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And actually yes. This is million dollar research. Look at Jack's education! What did that cost? What did it cost to teach jacks teacher? So on and so forth. I bet the university Jack went to cost more than a million dollars to build.

So yes Jacks knowledge has cost millions.... And years and years of research from thousands of people through the ages.

I'm not gonna explain my place in this thread anymore i think most get it.

see confusion again, jack rec 10-30-20 not 10-20-10

Personally, I'm not real picky about my base. I use plain old FF for base because it's simple and fairly cost effective. I may even switch to something cheaper soon.

But I love AN's bacteria/fungus! I can't go without it. Big Bud is proven. But this isn't about additives.

I will say in all seriousness, when I used AN's connoisseur for a couple grows there was a 10% - 20% in weight. It's really really good quality serious specific shit.

HIDDEN42O said:

And actually yes. This is million dollar research. Look at Jack's education! What did that cost? What did it cost to teach jacks teacher? So on and so forth. I bet the university Jack went to cost more than a million dollars to build.

So yes Jacks knowledge has cost millions.... And years and years of research from thousands of people through the ages.

I'm not gonna explain my place in this thread anymore i think most get it.

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What's your point? J.R. Peters doesn,t pass that cost to the consumer . Cheapest high quality ,green house proven nutrient you could ask for . But it is obvious you are just looking for an arguement .Open your eyes and you will see your arguing with your brothren that is merely attempting to help you out .

HIDDEN42O said:

Personally, I'm not real picky about my base. I use plain old FF for base because it's simple and fairly cost effective. I may even switch to something cheaper soon.

But I love AN's bacteria/fungus! I can't go without it. Big Bud is proven. But this isn't about additives.

I will say in all seriousness, when I used AN's connoisseur for a couple grows there was a 10% - 20% in weight. It's really really good quality serious specific shit.

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You ar e so wrong...heres just page one of their professional line...show me just one supposedly canna specific (and if you actually knew anything at all about plants and botany you would realize how ludicrous that terminology really is ) that has done the RESEARCH needed to provide what is needed according to the growth medium used as well as type of plants and stage of growth as Jack's has

J.R. Peters, Inc. offers the highest quality formulations with a more effective chelating system
resulting in improved plant performance. Jack’s Professional
®
fertilizers dissolve faster and cake less
than ever before!
These are the newest additions to the Jack's Professional line of
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® ™
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Water-Soluble
boosted levels of micronutrients to fit the specific needs of today's
Fertilizers
crops. Each product contains increased levels of iron, derived from
three chelate sources (EDDHA, EDTA and DTPA) to keep it available over
a wide range of pH values. They also contain magnesium, low
ammonium, and no urea nitrogen.
Mums are heavy feeders that respond well to additional magnesium, sulfur
and iron. Many times though, the iron becomes unavailable as the pH rises.
The elevated iron levels found in the exclusive FeED iron chelate system
keeps the iron available to the plant even if the pH rises during the crop
cycle. The additional 2% nitrogen in this formula reduces your fertilizer
usage by approximately 10%, making this product not only nutritionally
effective, but cost effective as well.
22-5-16 Mum FeED
Product #77740
This product is specially formulated for those chronically iron-hungry crops
such as petunia, calibrachoa, bacopa and others. It contains double the iron
of peat-lite formulations, derived from three chelate sources to keep it
available over a broad range of growing medium pH values. It contains 60%
nitrate nitrogen, magnesium and no urea. The low phosphorus level helps
prevent excessive elongation. It is not recommended for use on geraniums
or other iron sensitive crops.
20-3-19 Petunia FeED
Plus Magnesium
Product #77770
This product is designed to fit the needs of the newer poinsettia cultivars
that need the micronutrients, but a lesser amount of macronutrients. It
contains 50% more micronutrients than a typical poinsettia peat-lite
formula, yet it provides less boron. The iron is derived from three chelate
sources to keep it available over a wide range of growing medium pH values.
It provides 1 ppm of molybdenum for each 200 ppm of nitrogen and
contains additional magnesium and high nitrate nitrogen levels.
17-5-19 Poinsettia FeED
Plus Magnesium
Product #77760
Designed specifically for pansy production in late summer and early fall. A
nitrate/ammonium nitrogen system is more efficient in warmer weather
than a traditional high nitrate pansy fertilizer. The result s a potentially
acidic product that will lower media pH over time. This product also
contains J.R. Peters exclusive FeED iron chelate system plus additional
magnesium and boron which is necessary to produce a consistent, high
quality crop. At 17% nitrogen content, you also use less product to achieve
your desired rates than the
17-3-19 Fall Pansy FeED
Product #77730
This product features all of the benefits of 17-5-19 Poinsettia FeED but also
supplies calcium.
15-4-15 Poinsettia FeED
Ca-Mg
Product #77750
Specifically designed for spring pansy production, it can also be used for
vinca, salvia and other iron-inefficient spring plants. We took our traditional
15-2-20 Pansy, Salvia Vinca product and incorporated the exclusive J.R.
Peters FeED iron chelate system.
15-2-20 Spring Pansy FeED
NEW! Product #77720
Jack’s Professional
®
Product Descriptions, Page 1 of 6

and as you can see there are 5 more pages

But go ahead make Fox Farm and AN rich buying their inferior products which are sourced from the dirtiest and cheapest sources available as their focus is on your wallet not your plants....If it makes you happy then go for it...but quit telling lies ....show one actually scientific study that AN has done that has been peer approved and I will buy AN as well...you are beliving what they say...find proof though...you won't ....as it isn't true....

I have never even heard of anyone with degree in botany ever liking or using AN or the other canna specific nutes with the only exception to this is the Canna Coco line....but most of them use Jack's or Dynagro...but you know more than them with their phd's in botany...whatever...you are ignorant ..see I dont hide to say what I think....imbecile

Namaste'

hughesresearch said:

see confusion again, jack rec 10-30-20 not 10-20-10

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Actually the newest school of thought in container planting is 3-1-2 veg 2-1-3 bloom....studies are indicating that the p doesnt leech from the medium in containers to the degree it does in the soil outdoors where all the previous studies were performed...so the reduction of p in the now recommended ratios...also was found in these containerized environments that a slight increase in k was beneficial as well which is also reflected in the now recommended ratios...and no I did not pull this info out of my ass...just google it if that is what you are thinking....Did my research now do yours......

Namaste'

ps- It is also well known that if you use a 1-1-1 ratio it will perform really nicely throughout...as long as you are cautious to prevent salinity escalation

HIDDEN42O said:

And actually yes. This is million dollar research. Look at Jack's education! What did that cost? What did it cost to teach jacks teacher? So on and so forth. I bet the university Jack went to cost more than a million dollars to build.

So yes Jacks knowledge has cost millions.... And years and years of research from thousands of people through the ages.

I'm not gonna explain my place in this thread anymore i think most get it.

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Well I for one get it completely...you know nothing....now go play with your pretty expensively labeled garbage and be happy fool

Namaste'

DrFever said:

heres a pic week 3 /4 last grow Advanced nutrients 1200 ppm C02 with with 3200 watts of exhaust power forcing fresh air in 10,000 watts superblue mh and HPs in one bulb i also when flipping to flower shut off lights for 24 hrs found her to flower quickly like 4 - 5 days shes flipped and showing flowers

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I wanna see this bulb!! Are or you stating that you have 10 1000 combo bulbs? And GORGEOUS plants there!!

Namaste'

tet1953 said:

hughesresearch, I've been growing ww for some time now. It seems that no matter how heavy or light I go with the nutes in bud, they start to yellow by the 3rd or 4th week in. Really ragged looking by harvest. Good weed tho

BTW, I use the entire FF feeding schedule (all six products), molasses..soil grow.

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It is the surplus buildup of p that is causing the leaf loss also too much molasses will bind with n and block its availability to the plant

Namaste'

Good advice here from several people...thanks! I have in fact been blindly following the schedule, and I do use good soil. But I realize it isn't that simple. I have to pay more attention.

My op is good, I get decent yields etc. But there is no reason why it can't be phenomenal; I have plenty of room, plenty of light, I am able to control temp and humidity, and I can add CO2 if neccessary. I need to get better with nutes definitely.

You can be as intelligent as you wanna be but the fact of the matter is people who put up a grow journal and girls get more rep. Being physically attractive doesn't hurt either...
Not to say that your not smart, but it's the truth and you know it.

As for the question, 100's years of commercial agriculture can't be wrong. Most of the fertilizer you buy, if its veg has a higher N and if it's bloom has a higher PK. But i'm a regular gardener too, and cannabis is the only plant I've grown where I was told that it was ok for vegetation to die for the sake of the fruit. I personally don't agree with that. I don't care what my nutes say, I like green plants till the end, but I don't mix veg/bloom nutes. I just add kelp tea or bat guano, or earthworm castings or my chemical nitrogen additive (H&G Gaarde Part A) in my hydro setup, to keep things balanced. You might have to experiment with what you like.

Okay. Game over. I'm gonna stop playing both sides. Wanna straight answer? You asked for it.

1. Do I think that AN overcharges? Yes.

2. Do I give a fuck? No.

3.Should people tell me I'm fucking stupid rather than tell me nicely that perhaps i should switch to a cheaper brand. No.

4. Can AN provide products that other companies cannot? Yes

5. Why? Because I pay for it.

6. Is that okay? Yes It's my fucking prerogative.

7. Do I use AN base nutes which is the theme of this thread? No

8. Do I think AN's additives are better than most the shit out there. Yes.

9. Do I grow more plants than you? Probably.

10. Do I think CHEAP nutes suck? Yes

11. Do cheap nutes work? Yes

12. Do high grade plant specific nutes work better? I think so.


That's my point. You wanna use cheap nutes? FINE I can see and taste the difference.

Some people eat Steak. Some people eat Corn Dogs.

I'll keep buying my expensive nutes. Why? Because I can. It hurts nothing. A guy gets rich.. I GET RICHER... Nice trade off if you ask me.

What I think is so funny is that I haven't truly knocked anybody's method.

I have never came out and insulted anyone because they use cheaop nutes.

But yet look at the way I'm being treated just because "I" buy what "I" want to buy. It doesn't make me any less intelligent. Maybe inexperienced.

Get off me and my nutes nuts....

HIDDEN42O said:

You do realize that no one is saying you can't do what you do... right... because obviously you do it well.....

All that's being said is that there is scientific research to back up the claim that a bloom low in N and High in P is a good formula. It's all over the internet. I'm just not gonna fetch it.

Congrats on your method though,

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No, it's more along the lines of stop spreading bad information.

Boonierat said:

No, it's more along the lines of stop spreading bad information.

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Low NITROGEN in BLOOM for BIG BOY COMMERCIAL GROWERS is what is standard for MY NECK of the WOODS. I grow GREAT FUCKING BUD. You probably do to. Awesome. Get off my nuts.

YMMV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HIDDEN42O said:

Low NITROGEN in BLOOM for BIG BOY COMMERCIAL GROWERS is what is standard for MY NECK of the WOODS. I grow GREAT FUCKING BUD. You probably do to. Awesome. Get off my nuts.

YMMV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What do you expect ? You keep coming back for more ? How much do you want to get beat up? If you are so happy with your nutes , grand wonderful .We could care less , until you start spreading misinformation to the group as a whole contributing to the forum hype. 90% of the information given out in forums is incorrect . Get off your nuts? I'm sorry didn't realize this was your thread , it 's not ours either but with the "correct " train of thought being schooled here I,d say you get an F . So once again you fail .

Everyone should grow the way they want, use the lights, pots, nutes, etc. they want. Flush if they want to. Nobody should have a problem with this and we should all debate and share info in a constructive way to properly further all of our goals

Some folks don't like big mike, some hate the myths, BS and bad info that gets spread here everyday

my asshole (opinion) is that we should all strive to find ways to achieve better quality buds and share them

HIDDEN42O said:

Okay. Game over. I'm gonna stop playing both sides. Wanna straight answer? You asked for it.

1. Do I think that AN overcharges? Yes. 1.True

2. Do I give a fuck? No. 2.Very Sad

3.Should people tell me I'm fucking stupid rather than tell me nicely that perhaps i should switch to a cheaper brand. No. 3.very very sad

4. Can AN provide products that other companies cannot? Yes 4.So Wrong

5. Why? Because I pay for it. 5.ignorance is bliss

6. Is that okay? Yes It's my fucking prerogative. 6.see #5


7. Do I use AN base nutes which is the theme of this thread? No 7.not relevant

8. Do I think AN's additives are better than most the shit out there. Yes. 8.see #5

9. Do I grow more plants than you? Probably. 9.you've learned nothing from it
but to follow a feed chart

10. Do I think CHEAP nutes suck? Yes 10. opinion

11. Do cheap nutes work? Yes 11. Then why do u waste your
money?
12. Do high grade plant specific nutes work better? I think so. 12. High grade? LMAO


That's my point. You wanna use cheap nutes? FINE I can see and taste the difference.

Some people eat Steak. Some people eat Corn Dogs.

I'll keep buying my expensive nutes. Why? Because I can. It hurts nothing. A guy gets rich.. I GET RICHER... Nice trade off if you ask me.

What I think is so funny is that I haven't truly knocked anybody's method.

I have never came out and insulted anyone because they use cheaop nutes.

But yet look at the way I'm being treated just because "I" buy what "I" want to buy. It doesn't make me any less intelligent. Maybe inexperienced.

Get off me and my nutes nuts....

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Nutes don't change the taste , proper drying and cure affect taste . Did u just fall off the boat?



If this was my thread this is the point where you would get this , You are not welcome here , get out of my thread .You have nothing POSITIVE to contribute , you are an antagonizer and only are passing on your opinions that nobody is interested in .GOOD BYE


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kingofqueen said:

What do you expect ? You keep coming back for more ? How much do you want to get beat up? If you are so happy with your nutes , grand wonderful .We could care less , until you start spreading misinformation to the group as a whole contributing to the forum hype. 90% of the information given out in forums is incorrect . Get off your nuts? I'm sorry didn't realize this was your thread , it 's not ours either but with the "correct " train of thought being schooled here I,d say you get an F . So once again you fail .

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Beat up? ha. Its the internet.

So what exactly is the misinformation that I'm spreading?

Check.

kingofqueen said:

Nutes don't change the taste ,


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That is a lie.