This is how to do it. Nice, polite, and effective.

Cops are people. Sure there are dirty ones. Just as there good ones. Saying "I dont trust cops" is about the same as saying I dont trust white people or black people or car mechanics. You are generalizing and lumping people into groups. But that is beside the point I am trying to convey.

The guy in the video would be perceived by most people to be hiding something due to the way he was acting. Everyone likes to mention the constitution, like they always fight for it, BUT the only time most people do is when police are involved. Other than that most people dont give a shit about it. It never comes up any other time.

If you want better experiences with the police, I assure you acting like you are hiding something will NEVER help your cause. Being argumentative or shouting something about the constitution will NEVER help your cause. It is human nature for people to get mad when you get argumentative. It amazes when people fight and argue with cops and are then stunned when they get trumped up charges or beat down. But what can you say? Some people just aren't very bright.

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Cops are people. Sure there are dirty ones. Just as there good ones. Saying "I dont trust cops" is about the same as saying I dont trust white people or black people or car mechanics. You are generalizing and lumping people into groups. But that is beside the point I am trying to convey.

The guy in the video would be perceived by most people to be hiding something due to the way he was acting. Everyone likes to mention the constitution, like they always fight for it, BUT the only time most people do is when police are involved. Other than that most people dont give a shit about it. It never comes up any other time.

If you want better experiences with the police, I assure you acting like you are hiding something will NEVER help your cause. Being argumentative or shouting something about the constitution will NEVER help your cause. It is human nature for people to get mad when you get argumentative. It amazes when people fight and argue with cops and are then stunned when they get trumped up charges or beat down. But what can you say? Some people just aren't very bright.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the lumping…..LOL I only "LUMP" the police into the category of those I have had dealings with. I've had completely benign experiences with them as well. They are just doing their job. It's when they're NOT that gets me defensive. Most people are intimidated by police and IMO many use it to their advantage. You heard the first cop threaten that guy within seconds, when he had no legal grounds to "drag him out." Most people would be intimidated by that and obey. I think the more folks are feeling that their rights everywhere are infringed upon, (our privacy, mainly) the more fed up they become. We are living in a "mommy" state now in this country. No one can think for themselves. I don't automatically trust anyone at face value and just b/c they wear a uniform doesn't mean I have to instantly trust them either. I judge each person as an individual. (and as I mentioned before, the only Lumping I do is via my own experiences.)

bigbuddin84 said:

Cops are people. Sure there are dirty ones. Just as there good ones. Saying "I dont trust cops" is about the same as saying I dont trust white people or black people or car mechanics.You are generalizing and lumping people into groups

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Not even close. More like saying you don't trust lawyers, bankers or politicians. Nobody needs to lump them into a group, they are a group.

bigbuddin84 said:

Cops are people.

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what do you mean by this ^^
war criminals are people too ?

when cops put on the uniform swear an oath they choose to give up "citizen" status
they are trained to believe their new title/status makes them more important
they were originally supposed to function as public servants and keep the peace and poor people off the streets
now they are trained to believe every citizen is a potential terrorist

although it is true some of them are less psychopathic than others
when they are not fit enough for the armed forces anymore they really should not let be allowed to become cops imo

bigbuddin84 said:

Cops are people. Sure there are dirty ones. Just as there good ones. Saying "I dont trust cops" is about the same as saying I dont trust white people or black people or car mechanics. You are generalizing and lumping people into groups. But that is beside the point I am trying to convey.

The guy in the video would be perceived by most people to be hiding something due to the way he was acting. Everyone likes to mention the constitution, like they always fight for it, BUT the only time most people do is when police are involved. Other than that most people dont give a shit about it. It never comes up any other time.

If you want better experiences with the police, I assure you acting like you are hiding something will NEVER help your cause. Being argumentative or shouting something about the constitution will NEVER help your cause. It is human nature for people to get mad when you get argumentative. It amazes when people fight and argue with cops and are then stunned when they get trumped up charges or beat down. But what can you say? Some people just aren't very bright.

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The real "problem" is a social problem. Not a "cop problem". Ask yourself where does all this happen. It happens in low income areas. You dont see people in quarter million dollar houses acting this way. It is due to the way people in these low income areas are brought up. If they are brought up believing all cops are bad and to act guilty, then this will happen. Not all of it is money driven but a VAST majority is.

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The real "problem" is a social problem. Not a "cop problem". Ask yourself where does all this happen. It happens in low income areas. You dont see people in quarter million dollar houses acting this way. It is due to the way people in these low income areas are brought up. If they are brought up believing all cops are bad and to act guilty, then this will happen. Not all of it is money driven but a VAST majority is.

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well the cops are also trained to protect people depending on status too

so they will protect the wealthy, over the poor
corporations over individuals
a citizen is only one notch above a refugee in real terms

No warrant, they can bounce. No conversation beyond everything's fine here officer.

If warrant, they'll kick in the door and you have the right to remain silent, hopefully you have the brains to do so.

bigbuddin84 said:

You dont see people in quarter million dollar houses acting this way. .

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@bigbuddin84 Be serious

a cop as like someone who has joined a religious cult
they are unable to think freely with empathy common sense anymore
they are told/trained what to think
they can only impose the version of the law as they understand it
and most of them do not know the law very well surprisingly

so they are like dysfunctional robots
some of them function better than others
but they are not on "our side" that is clear

they are there to keep the status quo
to make sure that those that have keep it, and those who have nothing cant take it away

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The real "problem" is a social problem. Not a "cop problem". Ask yourself where does all this happen. It happens in low income areas. You dont see people in quarter million dollar houses acting this way. It is due to the way people in these low income areas are brought up. If they are brought up believing all cops are bad and to act guilty, then this will happen. Not all of it is money driven but a VAST majority is.

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in your other post you talked about people generalizing cops and lumping people into groups, and then you go and generalize everyone living in low income areas vs. people in quarter million dollar houses.

sorry i'm just being a douche i need to smoke

Honestly 250k for a house IS low income in most major cities
Lol

Hookabelly said:

@bigbuddin84 Be serious

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Absolutely serious. I live in a fairly nice neighborhood. I have seen police at neighbors houses on occasion. Never do I see them yelling out the window "Do you have a warrant." Never.

Skuxx said:

in your other post you talked about people generalizing cops and lumping people into groups, and then you go and generalize everyone living in low income areas vs. people in quarter million dollar houses.

sorry i'm just being a douche i need to smoke

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I think that saying crime and such is higher in low income areas is just a little different than saying all cops are out to get you.

I don't think most of you are getting what I'm trying to say. Are there shithead cops? Absolutely. Should you know your rights and flex them if needed? Absolutely. I'm just stating what you need to do to NOT get busted by them. Should you act like what a cop would perceive as a shithead? Absolutely not. I'm not on the straight and narrow by any stretch of the imagination. I just know how to conduct myself when I have interactions with the police. As I said before, I have zero arrests as evidence of what I'm saying to be true.

I definitely feel that a lot of the problems people have with police would never have happened, had they not conducted themselves a certain way. Someone earlier in this thread was bitching about getting pulled over, and also said that he had pro weed stickers on his car. Seriously? Use your fucking head.

I protect myself at all times. My house and vehicles are equipped with cameras that record basically everything. I know my rights and will flex them IF NEEDED. I don't just start babbling about warrants and probable cause as soon as the cops step up to my car. I may be guilty but I sure as fuck don't act like it.

Plenty of us have also avoided arrests, by keeping interaction with law enforcement to an absolute bare minimum. I don't know what you're doing to be getting stopped by cops so often but you essentially comply out of fear because you're breaking the law on a routine basis.

So based on your point of view how would you have handled the situation in the video? You use a camera to protect your rights, would you have shut it off when the cop told you to? Would you have invited them in to stroll around your house? How would you have reacted when the cop tries to forcefully take the camera you use to protect your rights out of your hands? How would you react when they start threatening to drag you out of your own home, in front of your children?

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Plenty of us have also avoided arrests, by keeping interaction with law enforcement to an absolute bare minimum. I don't know what you're doing to be getting stopped by cops so often but you essentially comply out of fear because you're breaking the law on a routine basis.

So based on your point of view how would you have handled the situation in the video? You use a camera to protect your rights, would you have shut it off when the cop told you to? Would you have invited them in to stroll around your house? How would you have reacted when the cop tries to forcefully take the camera you use to protect your rights out of your hands? How would you react when they start threatening to drag you out of your own home, in front of your children?

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The cameras on my property would have caught any wrong doings. If police came knocking on my door, what I would do is this. I would go out a side door, meet them on the front porch and ask them what was going on. If they did anything wrong, it will be caught, and without them knowing it at that.

I never said I always comply. Never did I say that. I just present myself as a respectable person. I certainly don't comply out of fear. I do what I do with extreme confidence. Compliance or not. Another reason they don't suspect me of anything. Criminals are usually exuding fear. I also never said that I was stopped "so often". I said have I had several encounters with police. I'm not 12. I have had plenty of time to accumulate experiences with them without it being often. Learn to read

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The cameras on my property would have caught any wrong doings. If police came knocking on my door, what I would do is this. I would go out a side door, meet them on the front porch and ask them what was going on. If they did anything wrong, it will be caught, and without them knowing it at that.

I never said I always comply. Never did I say that. I just present myself as a respectable person. I certainly don't comply out of fear. I do what I do with extreme confidence. Compliance or not. Another reason they don't suspect me of anything. Criminals are usually exuding fear. I also never said that I was stopped "so often". I said have had several encounters with police. I'm not 12. I have had plenty of time to accumulate experiences with them without it being often. Learn to read

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You're telling me to learn to read as you insinuate that I said you always comply?

I asked you to put yourself in the situation in the video and instead you respond with your own scenario of hidden survelluance cameras.

And yes, you said you have been stopped more times than you can count, that would be getting stopped "so often"

bigbuddin84 said:

In defense of what I said, I have had more encounters with the police than I can count. You know how many times I have ever been arrested? 0. It definitely isnt because there wasnt reason. I always have something on me. ALWAYS

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BDOGKush said:

You're telling me to learn to read as you insinuate that I said you always comply?

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BDOGKush said:

you essentially comply out of fear because you're breaking the law on a routine basis.

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BDOGKush said:

And yes, you said you have been stopped more times than you can count, that would be getting stopped "so often"

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Once is more times than I want to count. No stops by the police are good. So again, no, not often.

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I asked you to put yourself in the situation in the video and instead you respond with your own scenario of hidden survelluance cameras

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I wouldn't have shut it off no. But, I wouldn't have even been in a situation like that. The only reason I would answer the door for the police, is if I know I can catch what they are doing, thus the hidden cameras. And I wasn't really talking about the fact that he didn't shut it off. I was talking about the fact that he started acting sketchy as fuck as soon as the encounter started.

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I wouldn't have shut it off no. But, I wouldn't have even been in a situation like that. The only reason I would answer the door for the police, is if I know I can catch what they are doing, thus the hidden cameras.

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Ok, so in this guys case he opened the door to speak with officers and tried to catch their actions on camera which was immediately met with hostility. He probably can't afford to have hidden cameras and looks to live in an apartment. So if he couldn't catch them on camera without them knowing, I guess he would have been better off not opening the door at all like a lot of us have said.

That's what you're saying you'd do if you couldn't record them, right?

Yes, that's exactly what I would do. It was a bad idea coming at the police with a camera held. Most people don't like being recorded like that, not just police. I wasn't saying don't stand up for your rights. All I was saying is if you are acting in a way that the police would consider suspect, you are kind of to blame.