They seem scared to death about this bullets thing for some reason

ChesusRice said:

fluoride!!!!

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yep. flouride. but thats not the subject at hand is it?

i understand you dont want to explain why its a story then it's not then it is again and now its all just alex jones' fault.

i get it. facts are mean, and unfair, and nasty. facts dont adhere to the ideology you wish them to follow, so thats just not fair.

so lets talk about flouride.

why is flouride (a known poison, with a DOT health 4 shipping designation of "lethal toxin") being put in drinking water for the purposes of administration as a drug?

why is our water being contaminated with ANY drug, for ANY reason, since administration of any drug is the purview of physicians, not the local water board?

why is asking questions about flouride tantamount to heresy, and results in accusations of lunacy, fringieness, and possible membership is racist organizations?

why has not being a fan of flouride become an incredibly successful ad hominem, which dismisses the opponent on ANY subject, no matter how far removed?

what makes you think that i give a fuck about your accusations of being a flouride nut, since you cant even stay on a simple topic, which either is, or is not factual.

since the topic at hand is not even IF the DHS has acquired several thousand APC's, or placed an order for Billions of bullets, or ordered thousands of new compact machineguns, but rather WHY they did it, since the fact is they DID do it, why have none of your copy/paste responses sounded like anything but a feeble excuse?

your repetition of those moronic and clearly fake tables showing FLETC expending 23 MILLION rounds a year is preposterous.

if you propose that FLETC expends 23 MILLION rounds a year as claimed in those tables, then you are retarded.

but by all means, instead of duiscussing your claim that FLETC expends 23 million rounds every year, lets talk about flouride.

maybe flouride is easier for you to explain.

i was trying to do some bad math.
23mil / 1000 rounds per year per occifer for training. is 23000 people.
If they shot all 1000 in one day that would be 63 occifers per day.
the website says they are a network of training centers so I would assume more than one firing range gets their stock of bullets.

doesnt seem that out of the realm of possibility.

ilikecheetoes said:

i was trying to do some bad math.
23mil / 1000 rounds per year per occifer for training. is 23000 people.
If they shot all 1000 in one day that would be 63 occifers per day.
the website says they are a network of training centers so I would assume more than one firing range gets their stock of bullets.

doesnt seem that out of the realm of possibility.

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umm... the US army estimated they would need 1.5 billion rounds pre yhear of various small arms ammunition to conduct the iraq war. ~ http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/ksil75.pdf

the ENTIRE WAR, including training, operations, reserves, stockpiles, waste, testing, quality control, EVERYTHING in a shootin war.

DHS wants this for law enforcement. hmmm....

i wonder why they need Shootin War level supplies of ammo, when in fact the DHS is not engaged in any kind of action which might consume these stocks.

do they intend to "Keep the Peace" by hosing down our cities with lead, and filling our streets with Hot Brass?

are they hiring Gunzerkers as TSA agents now? will automatic weapons fire from lawer infursmint offissers become the new "Taser"?

"Don't Ventilate Me Bro!"

Dr Kynes said:

your repetition of those moronic and clearly fake tables showing FLETC expending 23 MILLION rounds a year is preposterous.

if you propose that FLETC expends 23 MILLION rounds a year as claimed in those tables, then you are retarded.

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I was merely commenting on this...

ilikecheetoes said:

I was merely commenting on this...

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no, i got that, but Fletc does NOT consume 23 MILLION rounds a year.

the US marine corps doesnt expend that much ammo in training, fuck they only use ~ 12 million rounds/year for training when involved in a Shootin War. (operations increase this total to ~ 70million rounds/year)
~http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/am/ammunition/Corporate_Center/Ammunition_Quarterly/Vol10No3.pdf

the claim that FLETC consumes very nearly twice as much training ammo per year than the USMC is ridonkulous.

Dr Kynes said:

no, i got that, but Fletc does NOT consume 23 MILLION rounds a year.

the US marine corps doesnt expend that much ammo in training, fuck they only use ~ 12 million rounds/year for training when involved in a Shootin War. (operations increase this total to ~ 70million rounds/year)
~http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/am/ammunition/Corporate_Center/Ammunition_Quarterly/Vol10No3.pdf

the claim that FLETC consumes very nearly twice as much training ammo per year than the USMC is ridonkulous.

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FLETC is a bad group of shooters?

There are 100000 agents in DHS
Try that in your math

ChesusRice said:

There are 100000 agents in DHS
Try that in your math

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Why in heaven's name do they need 100,000 agents? That's 2,000 per state! Not employees, but agents with guns on their person.

Winter Woman said:

Why in heaven's name do they need 100,000 agents? That's 2,000 per state! Not employees, but agents with guns on their person.

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They also provide training to domestic and international law enforcement
On second thought. Do you even know what the DHS is and what agencies they oversee?

ChesusRice said:

There are 100000 agents in DHS
Try that in your math

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in the 80's special forces units were shooting around 1 million rounds of pistol ammo per month in training. Now that said units have nearly doubled in size you could reasonably estimate the number of rounds they're firing has doubled. So lets say 24-28 million rounds PER YEAR currently. With that in mind do you really think DHS needs Billions, when military CT units would maybe use 100m altogether?

Off the top of my head US Secret Service costumes US Coast Guard FBI all on your Department of Homeland Security

ChesusRice said:

Off the top of my head US Secret Service costumes US Coast Guard FBI all on your Department of Homeland Security

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FBI doesn't fall under DHS and if the military doesnt even need that much ammo going to war how can an amalgamation of federal law enforcement agencies justify needing that many bullets, let alone all the other military hardware theyre buying up.

echelon1k1 said:

FBI doesn't fall under DHS and if the military doesnt even need that much ammo going to war how can an amalgamation of federal law enforcement agencies justify needing that many bullets, let alone all the other military hardware theyre buying up.

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So how many bullets does our military use monthly training?
When I get home I will post a list of DHS agencies or you can just read their report which has been posted numerous times already.
And a key word in the contract is "up to" they have a contract of "up to" 1.6 billion rounds in 5 years. That doesn't mean they will purchase that many

Winter Woman said:

Why in heaven's name do they need 100,000 agents? That's 2,000 per state! Not employees, but agents with guns on their person.

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I think to ask that means you are missing the point of why we have HHS now.

To ask about need when we have no clearance understand the risk misses the point.

Doer said:

I think to ask that means you are missing the point of why we have HHS now.

To ask about need when we have no clearance understand the risk misses the point.

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If the threat is so big and dire that local law enforcement cannot handle it and must be augmented with tens of thousands of federal burecrats then dont you think the government owes us an explanation or some sort of warning about what is going to happen?

We the people... You know, their employers....

echelon1k1 said:

FBI doesn't fall under DHS and if the military doesnt even need that much ammo going to war how can an amalgamation of federal law enforcement agencies justify needing that many bullets, let alone all the other military hardware theyre buying up.

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He just throws things against the wall and goes with what sticks just like ub.

Winter Woman said:

He just throws things against the wall and goes with what sticks just like ub.

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you must really suck at inventing to have to resort to making $0.07 posts for right wing lunatics.

alternatively, if you're not getting paid for posting all the news articles you've been posting lately, that tells an even sadder story about you.

UncleBuck said:

you must really suck at inventing to have to resort to making $0.07 posts for right wing lunatics.

alternatively, if you're not getting paid for posting all the news articles you've been posting lately, that tells an even sadder story about you.

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Says the 18 hour a day political troll... Oh the Irony....

Why dont you whine a little bit more about how hard it is to grow some plants...

ChesusRice said:

Off the top of my head US Secret Service costumes US Coast Guard FBI all on your Department of Homeland Security

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They wear uniforms, not costumes.

NLXSK1 said:

Says the 18 hour a day political troll... Oh the Irony....

Why dont you whine a little bit more about how hard it is to grow some plants...

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i wasn't aware that i was whining about my job, i love it.

perhaps you can point this whining out to me after you get done with another round of your fantasy role playing.