CrackerJax
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It's just made up stuff from a pre science era....nothing more. I can fully understand why they did it. But not now.....when will we grow up??
There Is No Devil.
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Reddragon1986
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Tis' madness old boy
CrackerJax
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Yes, and it is everywhere. 
unknownuk420
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why do alot of people belive there is no devil or no jesus but belive in god?
CrackerJax
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well, it doesn't necessarily go hand in hand. Muslims believe in god , but not Jesus.
shroomer33
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Muslims do believe in Jesus, very much so. They just think he was a prophet.
I think most people just can't deny the existence of something higher, but totally don't want to go along with what they've been told was true about Jesus and the devil, because that is just too uncomfortable. But as long as there is an all forgiving force of good and Light of Love that will never let anything bad happen to their soul upon death, they're happy.unknownuk420 said:
unknownuk420
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ye sounds bout right
CrackerJax
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I certainly believe in a higher power, just not a MAN MADE myth. There have been thousands of religions through the ages, and each one thinks theirs is true. This cannot be. Can it?
IndicaFatnHeavy
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Seriously??... there is no such thing as god.. when you die. you decompose in a fucking hole.
People made up god/devil/bible because they refuse to believe that when they die, they don't go to a special place, where everything is right and well. They are scared to even begin to think when they die they wont live anymore. So they make up some bogus crap that if you obey the commandments or w.e. the fuck it is you religious people do, you in someway hope that your righteous and unselfish thoughts and actions will be rewarded in going to, "Heaven"
everyone who is religious has their own idea of what heaven is and what you have to do to get there.
it pisses me off even more to think that people are being killed, raped and beaten over what they are to stupid and ignorant to comprehend. (Israel, korea etc...)
People made up god/devil/bible because they refuse to believe that when they die, they don't go to a special place, where everything is right and well. They are scared to even begin to think when they die they wont live anymore. So they make up some bogus crap that if you obey the commandments or w.e. the fuck it is you religious people do, you in someway hope that your righteous and unselfish thoughts and actions will be rewarded in going to, "Heaven"
everyone who is religious has their own idea of what heaven is and what you have to do to get there.
it pisses me off even more to think that people are being killed, raped and beaten over what they are to stupid and ignorant to comprehend. (Israel, korea etc...)
ruderalis88
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i think that the most beautiful game the devil plays is convincing you that he does not exist.
CrackerJax
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Yes, and the church's favorite game is getting you to believe such nonsense, and then part you from your $$$.
shroomer33
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Man did not write the Bible. Man can't predict the future. The Bible writes the future from the past. No other 'holy' book has done that with the precision that the bible has. Also, the prophecies in the Bible are being fulfilled today. Who would have thought that Israel would exist again? The Bible said it would, and now there is a country called Israel. Such prophecies, and even the multidimensional structure of the text, prove that the bible has its origin from outside the time domain, where humans don't exist. Hence, man did not write it. It is impossible for man to have written it. Science has shown us that we can't know the future (quantum mechanics and chaos theory). Science has also shown us that life on this planet is the result of intelligence. The fatal flaw (one of many, actually) in the Darwinian interpretation of the origin of life is that it can't explain the origin of information. Scientifically speaking, we see information in DNA (something Darwin could not do because he didn't have the technological apparatus.) Where did this information come from? Natural Selection can't account for this existence of information in DNA because Natural Selection, acting on random mutation, is actually harmful to information content. What else is there? Answer: intelligence. Intelligence put forth the information in the DNA.
shroomer33
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Atheists like Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao? Those atheists????? Yeah. They loved human life.
What 'religious' people were responsible for mass murder last century? I'd like to know how many people they killed too.
All beliefs are a form of religion. Science is a religion (although it SHOULDN'T be.) Atheism is a religion.
CrackerJax
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Oh really? Who wrote it then? The Bible fell out of the sky? I missed that headline. Perhaps you mean the Ten Commandments? By the way the people of Israel, for whom it was written (with no proof that it ever existed) failed that test miserably. The old testament will tell you that much. The bible was written by anonymous men of whom we know practically nothing at all, except for perhaps Paul (Saul), who jacked the entire religion. Who is Jesus? I mean who is he?? The bible doesn't say. No one in the bible ever talked to Jesus. Who is Mary? Where did Mary come from? In all probability Mary was adopted by her Mother Anne who was well past the age of maternity. Who are these people? The Bible doesn't say. No other book does either.
Have you heard of the newly discovered annals from a monastery twenty miles from Jerusalem? They are from the Essene sect and these newly discovered "dead sea scrolls" start one half century BEFORE the supposed birth of Jesus to second half of the century after him. Twenty miles away and these scrolls are very detailed about everything going on. These were the true scribes of that area. The Bible was not written by scribes. All of the wonderful deeds, and miracles, and great throngs of followers and the triumphant entrance in to Jerusalem, the rendering of the temple and the cruci"fiction", and the sky darkening for three hours , none of it is recorded. These people recorded everything of note in that entire region. The annals speak for themselves of their attention to detail. And yet, nothing of Jesus....nothing.
Your "belief" was hijacked by Paul and corrupted by the church. Things were added that strengthened the church and things that weakened their position was thrown out.
Don't tell me about the Bible...because the copy you so richly read is NOT the Bible.
And that's the name of that tune.
As for the DNA NON-SENSE....DNA like everything else on the planet EVOLVED. Only the ID folks think things can spring from nothing.
Please name what the bible has predicted..... I need a chuckle. I need a bowl...
eelloopp
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If you follow the bibles timeline (LOL Noah lived for 950 years LOL) it would have you believe the earth is 5000 years old. If someone wants to put their head in the sand and believe in this farce no amount of proof will change their minds. Rome is laughing all the way to the bank (which they own). Look into the history of the popes. The warrior popes especially amuse me. Its a real education. The church of today does not even come close to resembling the church of yesteryear - Rome had to ELVOLVE or become irrelevant.
shroomer33
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Maybe I should have said that the origin of the Bible is not with men. The God of Israel told the prophets what to write.
The OT (Old Testament) tells us who Jesus is. The whole freaking OT was about him. All of the Jewish Feasts and rituals spoke of Jesus, that was the whole reason for the feasts and rituals.
Why yes I have heard of the dead sea scrolls. As a matter of fact, there is a complete scroll of Isaiah (almost 2 complete scrolls, if I remember right) that was found at Qumran. This copy of Isaiah is THE SAME as the book of Isaiah I have sitting on my floor. To be more exact, the copy found at Qumran will translate exactly to what I have sitting on my floor.
Look. If God is smart enough to create the universe, He is smart enough to get a message to us. That is, if He cares enough about humanity to send us a message. I think He does. Why would He even bother to create us if He didn't care. He is not confined by the time dimension!
That is up for debate. There are fragments of what seem to be from the NT that were found at Qumran. Remember, what we found at Qumran is not complete. It is quite possible that they did record things at Qumran that happened in NT times, but time destroyed them.
Not true. Paul didn't write the OT. The OT is revealed in the NT. Paul only made things clear and explained things. Everything Paul said was totally in line with what was written in the OT.
What exactly do you mean by 'EVOLVED'? Do you simply mean that DNA changed? If so, I agree. The point I am making is that the Darwinian mindset of Natural Selection working on random mutation can not account for the information content in DNA. That is science talking. Not much of a debate. That is why biologists have to resort to directed panspermia arguments for our origin because they know that Darwinian arguments can't explain the origin of life on the Earth.
How do they do that? What are you talking about?
1. The fact that Israel would be back in their land that they lost almost 2000 years ago.Please name what the bible has predicted..... I need a chuckle. I need a bowl...
2. The prophecy given to Daniel from Gabriel that gave the EXACT day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey.
3. The hundreds of prophecies concerning Jesus's birth, life, and death.
4. The fact that technology would 'evolve' that could destroy all life on the planet.
5. The 7 letters to the 7 churches that Jesus gave John in Revelation. Jesus laid out all of church history from about 100AD to today.
I could go on and on and on, but you won't see such things because the god of this world has blinded you. Seek the truth and you will see.
What does it matter what we think we know? In the end, there is no denying the truth.
eelloopp
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The fact that Israel would be back in their land that they lost almost 2000 years ago - self fulfilling prophecy.
The prophecy given to Daniel from Gabriel that gave the EXACT day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey - says who?? CNN? Fox news? Or are you tyring to prove the bible WITH the bible?
The hundreds of prophecies concerning Jesus's birth, life, and death - see above
The fact that technology would 'evolve' that could destroy all life on the planet - Wow that was a hard one to guess
The 7 letters to the 7 churches that Jesus gave John in Revelation. Jesus laid out all of church history from about 100AD to today - again you are using the bible to prove the bible which means your proof is fictional.
Please tell me you can come up with better arguments then that.
The prophecy given to Daniel from Gabriel that gave the EXACT day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey - says who?? CNN? Fox news? Or are you tyring to prove the bible WITH the bible?
The hundreds of prophecies concerning Jesus's birth, life, and death - see above
The fact that technology would 'evolve' that could destroy all life on the planet - Wow that was a hard one to guess
The 7 letters to the 7 churches that Jesus gave John in Revelation. Jesus laid out all of church history from about 100AD to today - again you are using the bible to prove the bible which means your proof is fictional.
Please tell me you can come up with better arguments then that.
eelloopp
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How come God conveniently hides from us? We are told we need faith. Lol thats another word for believing with no proof. Where are the burning bushes today? Dude you have been brainwashed. I went through 13 years of religious instruction. It just doesnt make sense - and when you ask them to prove ANYTHING they say you need faith. When I went to my science teachers and asked for proof on things we were learning it was given to me - ad nauseam. hmmmmmm who to believe?
CrackerJax
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Oh my lord, where to begin? You've made quite a mess while i was gone.
There was no prophecy of Jesus. The OT spoke of a messiah. Many many times. But not of Jesus. Not a word for him. The people of the time never heard of Jesus. The NEW scrolls show that much, but either way, any real word of Jesus came AFTER him, so that's a no go.
The ride into jerusalem is a JOKE sir. That story was written DECADES after the event (which never happened). See how easy it becomes to write a good story if you have hindsight. The entire NT is hindsight sir.
Do you not see that?
Hindsight is the entire folcrum upon which the entire religion rests, isn't it?You don't even understand the time line of the writings of the bible do you? If you are talking Jesus, then you are talking the NEW testament, not the OLD.
The OLD testament NEVER talks about Jesus. They talk about a messiah, but every religion has a messiah. So what? It doesn't mean they meant Jesus. The man who cannot be proven to have EVER existed.
No, I'm talking about the ones they JUST FOUND SIR.... A monastery twenty miles from Jerusalem....and for the very first time ever, they are CURRENT with the time line of Jesus, and NOT A WORD.
If if if.... you went in a complete circle in that paragraph. It's completely impervious to logic. Your just guessing. If G*D wanted to send a message, he did it quite poorly. Why not now? Back when our nation was founded perhaps, or the renaissance. No, G*D chose a backwater extant of the roman empire 2000 years ago. As soon as this supposed miracles and crucifiction occurred, everyone promptly forgot about it. It took Paul to revive (and hijack) Christianity. For 40 years....nothing. That's some message. I know I know, G*D wants it to work that way.....
So we can throw that out....
Paul is the direct link and base from which all further gospels (by anonymous ppl) are written. Yet, Paul knows nothing of Mary or Joseph, or the nativity, nor the visit to jerusalem, or any of the miracles. So if Paul is the origin for the rest (and it is), how does all that stuff get in there 50 years later? Paul never heard of it, and any bible scholar will tell you that the other gospels all derive from Paul, because if there was one thing about Paul.... he liked to write. He is the BIGGIE, and his reputation is sullied at best by his contemporaries, including Peter, who banished him to antioch. The gospels are a complete mess, and were NEVER intended to be taken as HISTORICAL documents. They are stories...stories. It was the job of the SCRIBES (think historians) to mark the factual events of the day. Jesus? NOT A THING.
DNA evolved from RNA, we are simply talking about acids here. DNA started out VERY BASIC and has EVOLVED to all sorts of complexities where nature needs it. Nature does not seek perfection. Nature just makes do. There are all kinds of dead ends. Nature doesn't care. This is all a petri dish to nature. There is evolution, but it's not perfect and it has no intention of bringing about perfection.
1. The fact that Israel would be back in their land that they lost almost 2000 years ago.
2. The prophecy given to Daniel from Gabriel that gave the EXACT day that Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey.
3. The hundreds of prophecies concerning Jesus's birth, life, and death.
4. The fact that technology would 'evolve' that could destroy all life on the planet.
5. The 7 letters to the 7 churches that Jesus gave John in Revelation. Jesus laid out all of church history from about 100AD to today.
I could go on and on and on, but you won't see such things because the god of this world has blinded you. Seek the truth and you will see.
What does it matter what we think we know? In the end, there is no denying the truth.
There was no prophecy of Jesus. The OT spoke of a messiah. Many many times. But not of Jesus. Not a word for him. The people of the time never heard of Jesus. The NEW scrolls show that much, but either way, any real word of Jesus came AFTER him, so that's a no go.
The ride into jerusalem is a JOKE sir. That story was written DECADES after the event (which never happened). See how easy it becomes to write a good story if you have hindsight. The entire NT is hindsight sir.
Do you not see that?