There Is No Devil.

CrackerJax · May 15, 2009

BrotherJay said:
Jesus was a man who discovered early on in his life Christ within him. We all have Christ within us. Jesus was a perfect teacher, not the only teacher, but the best. Christ was in Buda, Christ was in Gandi, Christ was in Mohamed. Christ is what binds us all as One with God. Jesus is the way the truth and the light and the light is in you and you can be a light for others who are in darkness. It is within us. Seek not outside yourself for there is nothing there...Nothing. Peace, BJ

No, Jesus was a myth and never a historical figure. Bingo.... :peace:

BrotherJay · May 16, 2009

001 said:
one who stands for nothing will stand for anything

god is real and his angles

I agree totally. The question is then, what do we stand for? This present moment, (without the intrusion of our past grievances toward ourselves and others and future fears) is an alter unto God who abides here. Upon this alter, I choose to bring love and forgiveness. To do that, I have to let go of the idea that I am special and that God loves me more than any body else out in the world. That is delusional. We all have our illusions to overcome but the Holy Spirit does not wrench them from our hands. He merely waits until we discover we want Him and not our illusions for we cannot have both. Peace, BJ

BrotherJay · May 16, 2009

CrackerJax said:
No, Jesus was a myth and never a historical figure. Bingo....

The belief in any body formulation is a myth. My body is a myth and not reality because it is ephemeral, just like my thoughts... they come and go. Christ is reality whom always is. He is in you and I. We share this identity. The only thing that separates me from you are my grievances and desires for specialness. Thanks, BJ

CrackerJax · May 17, 2009

Nice try, but jesus was never a historical figure. A conglomeration of myths he is.

BrotherJay · May 17, 2009

CrackerJax said:
Nice try, but jesus was never a historical figure. A conglomeration of myths he is.

I think we are a little stuck here. I guess I just assumed that folks who peruse the spirituality forums were interested in learning from each other and conversing thoughtfully and respectfully. You seem like you have something to say, I wish you would say it and not keep repeating yourself. Thanks, BJ

cream8 · May 17, 2009

jammin26 said:
eggsactamondo, i once started going down the local gym about 8 years ago with good intentions. now one fine day i saw a girl in there, thought nothing of it, next time i look up shes there smiling at me. so i start getting a bit excited and pretend to not really have noticed. forget about it until i get home, then i remembered it and wanted to know her. now all this is fairly normal, only the next day or so i fell victim to the demon itself of masturbation - knowing full well i should not have (obviously). so the next day im back in the gym and this girl is in there so i go up to a weights machine near her and start doing it, then i look round and shes just lying there (on a squat machine where you lie down on your back) and not moving just staring up to the ceiling. i felt a really strong attraction to her as she was pretty with unusually short hair and normally i don't get a lot of looks from girls so this time i thought i was in. then i try to pretend i hadn't wanked between the first time i saw her and now and try to underplay the situatuion, so i fooled myself into looking at her shoes and commenting to myself that they where of the appropriate brand! then i realised i had fucked up bad and all i can remember doing is walking out thinking i would never be able to get talking to her and she thinks i'm a sad geek. so after this for some stupid, geekish, fucking anti-astablishment reason i band myself from going down the gym for reasons of embrassesment of seeing that girl again and not being able to impress her again. she would probably ignore me and i would wonder if i existed. now, with hindsight i sould have just got on with what i would normally do and i wouldn't be sitting here now, hating myself for being so weak. the devil knows he's won, he has kicked the shit out of me over the past years. we all know evil to well now, whether it's the devil or your inner self or just sheer boredom that makes us act. nowadays theres now real excitment like there was when we were teenagers, now i can do things i wouldn't have dreamed of when i was young, i just wonder about this girl i want to see her face again so the demons of hell can play instead of this boredom

first off masterbation is not a demon its a natural act and there is nothing wrong with it. second the devil didnt kick your ass. you did. humans are the only animal to punish themselves over and over for the same mistake. you still beat yourself up about this women yet you blame the devil because in fact. you are this devil . you are reasponsible. take on the reasponsiblility your just a human animal

cream8 · May 17, 2009

no one can torment you worse then yourself. to all things there is balance. and some know this as duality.(ie man woman. day night, east, west, yin yang) you can learn this first hand the organic natural way.

ayahuasca the vine of the dead. the great spirit gives us plants and herbs to heal and teach us.

CrackerJax · May 17, 2009

I've already said it.The devil and jesus are BOTH myths..... not real.....figments....get it? :peace:

cream8 · May 17, 2009

yes i get and agree. they are the externalized persona of the way we feel. no more. life is empty and meaningless. we humans put meaning were there is none. that is the point i am trying to make. i dont actually believe in jesus being the savior of mankind. or that the devil presides over hell. its nonsense!

Brazko · May 17, 2009

BrotherJay said:
I think we are a little stuck here. I guess I just assumed that folks who peruse the spirituality forums were interested in learning from each other and conversing thoughtfully and respectfully. You seem like you have something to say, I wish you would say it and not keep repeating yourself. Thanks, BJ

Well, I would've stopped you a few posts back if you thought by using a hint of intelligence, sincerity, & being logically open minded would help convey your meaning in a debate/discussion......

Don't be discouraged (I no ur not) but your posts do get through 2 many others, don't worry about that, and you'll learn quick enuff as you already have when discussions / debates are.........ummmmmmm, PRICELESS

And to note, I think CJ is OK, No he is, ....he comes around sometime. But get used to the mud :peace:

CrackerJax · May 17, 2009

No mud, just reality...it's a bitch. Grab a crutch....if that's your need. :peace:

BrotherJay · May 17, 2009

cream8 said:
first off masterbation is not a demon its a natural act and there is nothing wrong with it. second the devil didnt kick your ass. you did. humans are the only animal to punish themselves over and over for the same mistake. you still beat yourself up about this women yet you blame the devil because in fact. you are this devil . you are reasponsible. take on the reasponsiblility your just a human animal

Eggsactamundo!

BrotherJay · May 17, 2009

Brazko said:
Well, I would've stopped you a few posts back if you thought by using a hint of intelligence, sincerity, & being logically open minded would help convey your meaning in a debate/discussion......

Don't be discouraged (I no ur not) but your posts do get through 2 many others, don't worry about that, and you'll learn quick enuff as you already have when discussions / debates are.........ummmmmmm, PRICELESS

And to note, I think CJ is OK, No he is, ....he comes around sometime. But get used to the mud

Thanks Brazko, I am not discouraged. I don't ask anyone to just believe what I say, I am just all about finding common ground. For me, Christ is reality and everything else is what we made up ourselves. I totally empathize with people who are skeptical about Jesus Christ. I have been there, and still am sometimes when there is so much suffering in the world. I feel helpless. I have learned a lot though about the way of Christ and the peace that abides in him and I don't think people get that message. They are fed the fear of the wrath of God. If I didn't see the Holy Spirit working in my life, believe me, I would not utter any praises for Him. But I can't deny that I really do. Peace to you. BJ

Brazko · May 17, 2009

CrackerJax said:
No mud, just reality...it's a bitch. Grab a crutch....if that's your need.

Yes, Mud, metaphor of him inevitably getting stuck / dead ends / brickwalls, but of course rightfully monkeys slinging shit as well.... :smile:

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Reality isn't a Bitch, Perceived Reality Yule Referring too, bayou standards alone......

What Crutch is it thats Needed? :confused:

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Brazko · May 17, 2009

BrotherJay said:
Thanks Brazko, I am not discouraged. I don't ask anyone to just believe what I say, I am just all about finding common ground. For me, Christ is reality and everything else is what we made up ourselves. I totally empathize with people who are skeptical about Jesus Christ. I have been there, and still am sometimes when there is so much suffering in the world. I feel helpless. I have learned a lot though about the way of Christ and the peace that abides in him and I don't think people get that message. They are fed the fear of the wrath of God. If I didn't see the Holy Spirit working in my life, believe me, I would not utter any praises for Him. But I can't deny that I really do. Peace to you. BJ

BrothaJ, I've learned much from my peeps on here, Many all Good Sheeple, Some Like Beef,

In The End, Ur Still Breathng, Only a lil Stronga,

:peace:

BrotherJay · May 17, 2009

CrackerJax said:
I've already said it.The devil and jesus are BOTH myths..... not real.....figments....get it?

I get it. Peace, BJ

Johnnyorganic · May 17, 2009

The Devil is in my car.

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cream8 · Jun 1, 2009

all and all your just another brick in the wall

shroomer33 · Jun 12, 2009

BrotherJay said:
Folks... there is no devil outside of yourself. When Jesus spoke of evil, he was referring to the ego that is inside each and every one of us. The ego is responsible for the pain and suffering in this world because it is the outright denial of God (who has no opposite).

God gave us free will and by His Will, we are free to think what we wish. So we have chosen to forsake God in search of our bodily pleasures.

To believe in some Devil out there in this world is to project your own sense of guilt onto a false fabricated personification, slap horns on it, paint it red, give it a tail and hooves and wallah, you have Satan.

The ego is all the ideas, judgements and concepts we have about ourselves in relation to God and our brothers. WE MADE THEM UP, not God. Yet God waits for us in perfect Peace to welcome us home when we realize our matrix of illusions is nothing. Peace, BrotherJay.

What about magickians who summon these entities of evil, and see them manifest physically?

CrackerJax · Jun 12, 2009

Both jesus and the devil are man made CONTROLLING agents....nothing more.

There Is No Devil.

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