The Molasses Debate Thread.

SpaaaceCowboy

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Anyone know if I should do a regular water first to moisten the roots then feed with molasses ? Or is it ok to just mix the molasses and H20 and do a regular water....And what's the earliest one would start feeding their plant(s) molasses ? thanks
 

grokillaz

Active Member
I definately noticed a difference in taste and smells when using mollasses. Even different dirt makes for different flavors and smells. I have used mollasses even in veg before to feed the microherd .
 

Mel O'Cheddar

Active Member
i wonder if there is any validity to the claim that molasses helps make 'denser' buds?
Now, see, I've heard it argued on here that it makes them fluffier. We are only on our second round indoors, we're waiting for it to cool off a bit before we move the babies into the "Big Girl" room. The Spouse always uses it. We are still experimenting and learning. Personally I don't think it does anything, but that's just because I haven't seen/ experienced it for myself. Perhaps I will be proven wrong come Round 3! (That'd be fine!)
 

mugan

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seems like some of you guys really know your shit so am gonna ask a que i been wanting to ask, i am using home made soil, 2parts red soil,1 park saw dust, 2 parts manure (rabbit, chicken both well composted for about 5 months with em and molasses) . i din't measures the lime , charcoal and seed meal that i added , so i veged with soil like this and the plants did ok through it, but they have now moved to there 4 gal flowering pots, three days after i added 1 cup of molasses/em with some manure tea ( not sure of the ratios) and i was wondering what you guys think i should add through out the flowering, the plants are 2 weeks into flower and i transplanted them as they sexed so they have been in the large pots for 4 days. the one not lsted is actually in a 3 gal
 

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grokillaz

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seems like some of you guys really know your shit so am gonna ask a que i been wanting to ask, i am using home made soil, 2parts red soil,1 park saw dust, 2 parts manure (rabbit, chicken both well composted for about 5 months with em and molasses) . i din't measures the lime , charcoal and seed meal that i added , so i veged with soil like this and the plants did ok through it, but they have now moved to there 4 gal flowering pots, three days after i added 1 cup of molasses/em with some manure tea ( not sure of the ratios) and i was wondering what you guys think i should add through out the flowering, the plants are 2 weeks into flower and i transplanted them as they sexed so they have been in the large pots for 4 days. the one not lsted is actually in a 3 gal
Fox farms big bloom works great and is all organic so is most of the happy frog dry ferts. I personally like to use the dry fox farms ferts with mycchorizae they works excellent and made the buds taste and smell very hashy and fruity. Make a tea and the plants will thrive. I am suprised there still is a debate about molasses cuz I know a few growers who swear by it. They produced some of the dankest nugs I have tried . IMO molasses works better when there is beneficial fungi in the dirt. I'd choose myccorizae over beneficial bacteria , just seemed to work better for me.
 

mugan

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EM is beneficial organisms, and i was looking for at pure ingredients they don't sell fox farm and all ova here
 

ClamDigger

Active Member
seems like some of you guys really know your shit so am gonna ask a que i been wanting to ask, i am using home made soil, 2parts red soil,1 park saw dust, 2 parts manure (rabbit, chicken both well composted for about 5 months with em and molasses) . i din't measures the lime , charcoal and seed meal that i added , so i veged with soil like this and the plants did ok through it, but they have now moved to there 4 gal flowering pots, three days after i added 1 cup of molasses/em with some manure tea ( not sure of the ratios) and i was wondering what you guys think i should add through out the flowering, the plants are 2 weeks into flower and i transplanted them as they sexed so they have been in the large pots for 4 days. the one not lsted is actually in a 3 gal
FYI, the wood chips are going to tie up some Nitrogen for the first year(ish), so i would let that mix compost for a few months atleast and maybe add some extra N
 

mugan

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the sawdust is not just for nutes its mostly for aeration and drainage, the red soil i use is very rich in nutes but very clumpy and dense so using it to pot alone will make the pot water log. as for the n there is manure in the mix rabbit mixed with goat and i added chicken too which i herd has so much n it has been found to burn plants, i also know manures are time release i just figured with EM al get it as the plant goes. I will be re using the soil tho cuz i know that the saw dust and charcoal are better the second time around and charcoal takes care of the toxins so al just flush it and let it out in the sun to compost a few days and put another plant. any way if the manures are not enough what you think is a good homemade organic n source i can use, ia aerobic or aerobic tea good nuff ?
 
I've been meaning on posting a thread/journal entry on this, I read the 1st few pages and found very little scientific information.

Yes, molasses is beneficial to plants in the flowering stage. Too much is bad. What else is there to debate about, lol :)

I started using molasses about 5 grows back, never been happier with the final product - no comparison to earlier grows!

Peace out
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Done and Done. Rize up!


Molasses

Molasses is a syrupy, thick juice created by the processing of either sugar beets or the sugar cane plant. Depending on the definition used, Sweet Sorghum also qualifies as a molasses, although technically it’s a thickened syrup more akin to Maple Syrup than to molasses. The grade and type of molasses depends on the maturity of the sugar cane or beet and the method of extraction. The different molasses’ have names like: first molasses, second molasses, unsulphured molasses, sulphured molasses, and blackstrap molasses. For gardeners the sweet syrup can work as a carbohydrate source to feed and stimulate microorganisms. And, because molasses (average NPK 1-0-5) contains potash, sulfur, and many trace minerals, it can serve as a nutritious soil amendment. Molasses is also an excellent chelating agent

Several grades and types of molasses are produced by sugar cane processing. First the plants are harvested and stripped of their leaves, and then the sugar cane is usually crushed or mashed to extract it’s sugary juice. Sugar manufacturing begins by boiling cane juice until it reaches the proper consistency, it is then processed to extract sugar. This first boiling and processing produces what is called first molasses, this has the highest sugar content of the molasses because relatively little sugar has been extracted from the juice. Green (unripe) sugar cane that has been treated with sulphur fumes during sugar extraction produces sulphured molasses. The juice of sun-ripened cane which has been clarified and concentrated produces unsulphured molasses. Another boiling and sugar extraction produces second molasses which has a slight bitter tinge to its taste.

Further rounds of processing and boiling yield dark colored blackstrap molasses, which is the most nutritionally valuable of the various types of molasses. It is commonly used as a sweetner in the manufacture of cattle and other animal feeds, and is even sold as a human health supplement. Any kind of molasses will work to provide benefit for soil and growing plants, but blackstrap molasses is the best choice because it contains the greatest concentration of sulfur, iron and micronutrients from the original cane material. Dry molasses is something different still. It’s not exactly just dried molasses either, it’s molasses sprayed on grain residue which acts as a “carrier”.

wholesome sweeteners organic molasses
per 1 tablespoon/22 g, in 1 gallon of water/3.785 liters:

potassium: 730 mg/~20% of 3500 mg dv for k/730/3.785=192.86 ppm

calcium: 115 mg/~10% of 1000 mg dv for ca/115/3.785=30.38 ppm

magnesium: 8% of 400 mg dv for mg/.08*400=32/3.785=8.4 ppm

iron: 15% of 18 mg dv for fe/.15*18=2.7/3.785=0.71 ppm

vitamin b6: 10% of 2.0 mg dv for vit b6/2*.1=.2/3.785=.05 ppm

sugars: 10g

total carbohydrates: 14g

In addition to sugars, molasses contains significant amounts of potash, sulfur, and a variety of micronutrients. Because molasses is derived from plants, and because the manufacturing processes that create it remove mostly sugars, the majority of the mineral nutrients that were contained in the original sugar cane or sugar beet are still present in molasses. This is a critical factor because a balanced supply of mineral nutrients is essential for those “beneficial beasties” to survive and thrive. That’s one of the secrets we’ve discovered to really successful organic gardening, the micronutrients found in organic amendments like molasses, kelp, and alfalfa were all derived from other plant sources and are quickly and easily available to our soil and plants. This is especially important for the soil “micro-herd” of critters who depend on tiny amounts of those trace minerals as catalysts to make the enzymes that create biochemical transformations. That last sentence was our fancy way of saying - it’s actually the critters in “live soil” that break down organic fertilizers and “feed” it to our plants.

“Micronutrients occur, in cells as well as in soil, as part of large, complex organic molecules in chelated form. The word chelate (pronounced “KEE-late”) comes from the Greek word for “claw,” which indicates how a single nutrient ion is held in the center of the larger molecule. The finely balanced interactions between micronutrients are complex and not fully understood. We do know that balance is crucial; any micronutrient, when present in excessive amounts, will become a poison, and certain poisonous elements, such as chlorine are also essential micronutrients.

For this reason natural, organic sources of micronutrients are the best means of supplying them to the soil; they are present in balanced quantities and not liable to be over applied through error or ignorance. When used in naturally chelated form, excess micronutrients will be locked up and prevented from disrupting soil balance.”

Excerpted from “The Soul of Soil”
by Grace Gershuny and Joe Smillie

lucas formula : 100:100:200:60

Fat - 0g, 0%;
Sodium - 65mg. 3%;
Potassium - 800 mg. 23%;
Total Carbohydrates - 13g, 4%;
Sugars - 12g,
Protein - 1g,
Calcium - 2%;
Iron 10%;
Magnesium 15%

At Publix or Kroger you get
Gramdma's unsulfured
60 calories
Sodium 15mg
Potassium 150
Carbohydrate 15g
Sugars 10g
Calcium 4%
Iron 4%

Tree of Life
Unsulfured Blackstrap Molasses
45 calories
Sodium 15mg
Potassium 500mg
Carbohydrates 11g
Sugar 8g
Calcium 15%
Iron 20%
Magnesium 10%
---rize up!
 
Good info, but I think may head is about to explode lol :)

Done and Done. Rize up!


Molasses

Molasses is a syrupy, thick juice created by the processing of either sugar beets or the sugar cane plant. Depending on the definition used, Sweet Sorghum also qualifies as a molasses, although technically it’s a thickened syrup more akin to Maple Syrup than to molasses. The grade and type of molasses depends on the maturity of the sugar cane or beet and the method of extraction. The different molasses’ have names like: first molasses, second molasses, unsulphured molasses, sulphured molasses, and blackstrap molasses. For gardeners the sweet syrup can work as a carbohydrate source to feed and stimulate microorganisms. And, because molasses (average NPK 1-0-5) contains potash, sulfur, and many trace minerals, it can serve as a nutritious soil amendment. Molasses is also an excellent chelating agent

Several grades and types of molasses are produced by sugar cane processing. First the plants are harvested and stripped of their leaves, and then the sugar cane is usually crushed or mashed to extract it’s sugary juice. Sugar manufacturing begins by boiling cane juice until it reaches the proper consistency, it is then processed to extract sugar. This first boiling and processing produces what is called first molasses, this has the highest sugar content of the molasses because relatively little sugar has been extracted from the juice. Green (unripe) sugar cane that has been treated with sulphur fumes during sugar extraction produces sulphured molasses. The juice of sun-ripened cane which has been clarified and concentrated produces unsulphured molasses. Another boiling and sugar extraction produces second molasses which has a slight bitter tinge to its taste.

Further rounds of processing and boiling yield dark colored blackstrap molasses, which is the most nutritionally valuable of the various types of molasses. It is commonly used as a sweetner in the manufacture of cattle and other animal feeds, and is even sold as a human health supplement. Any kind of molasses will work to provide benefit for soil and growing plants, but blackstrap molasses is the best choice because it contains the greatest concentration of sulfur, iron and micronutrients from the original cane material. Dry molasses is something different still. It’s not exactly just dried molasses either, it’s molasses sprayed on grain residue which acts as a “carrier”.

wholesome sweeteners organic molasses
per 1 tablespoon/22 g, in 1 gallon of water/3.785 liters:

potassium: 730 mg/~20% of 3500 mg dv for k/730/3.785=192.86 ppm

calcium: 115 mg/~10% of 1000 mg dv for ca/115/3.785=30.38 ppm

magnesium: 8% of 400 mg dv for mg/.08*400=32/3.785=8.4 ppm

iron: 15% of 18 mg dv for fe/.15*18=2.7/3.785=0.71 ppm

vitamin b6: 10% of 2.0 mg dv for vit b6/2*.1=.2/3.785=.05 ppm

sugars: 10g

total carbohydrates: 14g

In addition to sugars, molasses contains significant amounts of potash, sulfur, and a variety of micronutrients. Because molasses is derived from plants, and because the manufacturing processes that create it remove mostly sugars, the majority of the mineral nutrients that were contained in the original sugar cane or sugar beet are still present in molasses. This is a critical factor because a balanced supply of mineral nutrients is essential for those “beneficial beasties” to survive and thrive. That’s one of the secrets we’ve discovered to really successful organic gardening, the micronutrients found in organic amendments like molasses, kelp, and alfalfa were all derived from other plant sources and are quickly and easily available to our soil and plants. This is especially important for the soil “micro-herd” of critters who depend on tiny amounts of those trace minerals as catalysts to make the enzymes that create biochemical transformations. That last sentence was our fancy way of saying - it’s actually the critters in “live soil” that break down organic fertilizers and “feed” it to our plants.

“Micronutrients occur, in cells as well as in soil, as part of large, complex organic molecules in chelated form. The word chelate (pronounced “KEE-late”) comes from the Greek word for “claw,” which indicates how a single nutrient ion is held in the center of the larger molecule. The finely balanced interactions between micronutrients are complex and not fully understood. We do know that balance is crucial; any micronutrient, when present in excessive amounts, will become a poison, and certain poisonous elements, such as chlorine are also essential micronutrients.

For this reason natural, organic sources of micronutrients are the best means of supplying them to the soil; they are present in balanced quantities and not liable to be over applied through error or ignorance. When used in naturally chelated form, excess micronutrients will be locked up and prevented from disrupting soil balance.”

Excerpted from “The Soul of Soil”
by Grace Gershuny and Joe Smillie

lucas formula : 100:100:200:60

Fat - 0g, 0%;
Sodium - 65mg. 3%;
Potassium - 800 mg. 23%;
Total Carbohydrates - 13g, 4%;
Sugars - 12g,
Protein - 1g,
Calcium - 2%;
Iron 10%;
Magnesium 15%

At Publix or Kroger you get
Gramdma's unsulfured
60 calories
Sodium 15mg
Potassium 150
Carbohydrate 15g
Sugars 10g
Calcium 4%
Iron 4%

Tree of Life
Unsulfured Blackstrap Molasses
45 calories
Sodium 15mg
Potassium 500mg
Carbohydrates 11g
Sugar 8g
Calcium 15%
Iron 20%
Magnesium 10%
---rize up!
 

cannawizard

Well-Known Member
Done and Done. Rize up!


Molasses

Molasses is a syrupy, thick juice created by the processing of either sugar beets or the sugar cane plant. Depending on the definition used, Sweet Sorghum also qualifies as a molasses, although technically it’s a thickened syrup more akin to Maple Syrup than to molasses. The grade and type of molasses depends on the maturity of the sugar cane or beet and the method of extraction. The different molasses’ have names like: first molasses, second molasses, unsulphured molasses, sulphured molasses, and blackstrap molasses. For gardeners the sweet syrup can work as a carbohydrate source to feed and stimulate microorganisms. And, because molasses (average NPK 1-0-5) contains potash, sulfur, and many trace minerals, it can serve as a nutritious soil amendment. Molasses is also an excellent chelating agent

Several grades and types of molasses are produced by sugar cane processing. First the plants are harvested and stripped of their leaves, and then the sugar cane is usually crushed or mashed to extract it’s sugary juice. Sugar manufacturing begins by boiling cane juice until it reaches the proper consistency, it is then processed to extract sugar. This first boiling and processing produces what is called first molasses, this has the highest sugar content of the molasses because relatively little sugar has been extracted from the juice. Green (unripe) sugar cane that has been treated with sulphur fumes during sugar extraction produces sulphured molasses. The juice of sun-ripened cane which has been clarified and concentrated produces unsulphured molasses. Another boiling and sugar extraction produces second molasses which has a slight bitter tinge to its taste.

Further rounds of processing and boiling yield dark colored blackstrap molasses, which is the most nutritionally valuable of the various types of molasses. It is commonly used as a sweetner in the manufacture of cattle and other animal feeds, and is even sold as a human health supplement. Any kind of molasses will work to provide benefit for soil and growing plants, but blackstrap molasses is the best choice because it contains the greatest concentration of sulfur, iron and micronutrients from the original cane material. Dry molasses is something different still. It’s not exactly just dried molasses either, it’s molasses sprayed on grain residue which acts as a “carrier”.

wholesome sweeteners organic molasses
per 1 tablespoon/22 g, in 1 gallon of water/3.785 liters:

potassium: 730 mg/~20% of 3500 mg dv for k/730/3.785=192.86 ppm

calcium: 115 mg/~10% of 1000 mg dv for ca/115/3.785=30.38 ppm

magnesium: 8% of 400 mg dv for mg/.08*400=32/3.785=8.4 ppm

iron: 15% of 18 mg dv for fe/.15*18=2.7/3.785=0.71 ppm

vitamin b6: 10% of 2.0 mg dv for vit b6/2*.1=.2/3.785=.05 ppm

sugars: 10g

total carbohydrates: 14g

In addition to sugars, molasses contains significant amounts of potash, sulfur, and a variety of micronutrients. Because molasses is derived from plants, and because the manufacturing processes that create it remove mostly sugars, the majority of the mineral nutrients that were contained in the original sugar cane or sugar beet are still present in molasses. This is a critical factor because a balanced supply of mineral nutrients is essential for those “beneficial beasties” to survive and thrive. That’s one of the secrets we’ve discovered to really successful organic gardening, the micronutrients found in organic amendments like molasses, kelp, and alfalfa were all derived from other plant sources and are quickly and easily available to our soil and plants. This is especially important for the soil “micro-herd” of critters who depend on tiny amounts of those trace minerals as catalysts to make the enzymes that create biochemical transformations. That last sentence was our fancy way of saying - it’s actually the critters in “live soil” that break down organic fertilizers and “feed” it to our plants.

“Micronutrients occur, in cells as well as in soil, as part of large, complex organic molecules in chelated form. The word chelate (pronounced “KEE-late”) comes from the Greek word for “claw,” which indicates how a single nutrient ion is held in the center of the larger molecule. The finely balanced interactions between micronutrients are complex and not fully understood. We do know that balance is crucial; any micronutrient, when present in excessive amounts, will become a poison, and certain poisonous elements, such as chlorine are also essential micronutrients.

For this reason natural, organic sources of micronutrients are the best means of supplying them to the soil; they are present in balanced quantities and not liable to be over applied through error or ignorance. When used in naturally chelated form, excess micronutrients will be locked up and prevented from disrupting soil balance.”

Excerpted from “The Soul of Soil”
by Grace Gershuny and Joe Smillie

lucas formula : 100:100:200:60

Fat - 0g, 0%;
Sodium - 65mg. 3%;
Potassium - 800 mg. 23%;
Total Carbohydrates - 13g, 4%;
Sugars - 12g,
Protein - 1g,
Calcium - 2%;
Iron 10%;
Magnesium 15%

At Publix or Kroger you get
Gramdma's unsulfured
60 calories
Sodium 15mg
Potassium 150
Carbohydrate 15g
Sugars 10g
Calcium 4%
Iron 4%

Tree of Life
Unsulfured Blackstrap Molasses
45 calories
Sodium 15mg
Potassium 500mg
Carbohydrates 11g
Sugar 8g
Calcium 15%
Iron 20%
Magnesium 10%
---rize up!
*good read w/ my coffee :) but f*ck molasses.. old news, try something new boys n gals... theres tons out there, DiY.
 
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