The Molasses Debate Thread.
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Dankster4Life
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Still feel ya...(damn that sounds gay as hell)
I happen to believe that the drastic increase in diabetes, autism, obesity, etc is due in large part from corporate food additives, modified fats, etc. Molecules that never existed before and we eat them with a big spoon. And we feel safe because they say it's safe.... Really? The corporation is concerned about my well-being? Or maybe just my dollar
Dankster4Life
Well-Known Member
Come on T....we all know money don't run nuttin!That would be.....greed.
I use the biggest spoon in the drawer.
I use the biggest spoon in the drawer.
Nullis
Moderator
Umm... yah... not organic: it's a chemical salt and appears to be used as a fungicide (fungus is usually a good thing), NPK is way too high for organic growing. Also that has nothing to do with molasses.
I think it's the detailed explanation that's compelling
ClamDigger
Active Member
that Mono-potassium Phosphate has an NPK of 0-52-34. thats gonna FRY any mycorrhiza in sight.
here is some good info on Phosphorus.
"Very high and very low phosphorus levels may reduce mycorrhizal
infection/colonization (Koide, 1991). It is well established that:
Mycorrhiza and soil phosphorus levels Colorado State University Cooperative Extension ... Page 1 of 4
http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/TRA/PLANTS/mycorrhiza.html?PrintWindow 12/28/2004
􀁺 infection by mycorrhizal fungi is significantly reduced at high soil phosphorus
levels (Amijee et al., 1989; Koide & Li, 1990)
􀁺 the addition of phosphate fertilization results in a delay in infection as well as a
decrease in the percentage of infection of roots by mycorrhizae (deMiranda,
Harris & Wild, 1989; Asimi et al., 1989)
􀁺 an increase in the level of soil phosphate results in a reduction in
chlamydospore production by the fungus (Menge, et al. 197
. These sporesare involved in root infection and spread of the fungus through the soil profile."
Research by Abbott and Robson (1979) concluded that levels of soil phosphorus
greater than that required for plant growth eliminated the development of the
arbuscles of vesicular-arbuscular (VA) types of mycorrhizae. Arbuscles are
structures produced within the host plant cells by the VA mycorrhizae. These
structures are responsible for the transfer of absorbed nutrients from the fungus to
the plant. The arbuscles resemble miniature shrub-like trees (arbuscular = shrub in
Latin). Mosse (1973) reports adding phosphate results in no arbuscles forming.
When the soil level of bicarbonate-soluble phosphorus exceeded 140 mg kg -1 (140
parts per million) the rate of infection was found to decrease (Amijee et al. 1989).
Abbott and Robson (1977 & 197
found the mycorrhizae Glomus fasciculatumceased to be effective when the soil level of phosphorus reached 133 mg kg -1 [133
parts per million (ppm)]. Schubert and Hayman (1986) found mycorrhizae was no
longer effective when 100 mg or more of P was added per kilogram of soil (100
ppm). Mycorrhizal infection virtually disappeared with the addition of 1.5 grams or
more of mono calcium phosphate per kilogram of soil (Mosse 1973). With small
additions of phosphorus fertilizer, entry points and fungal growth on the root surface
remained normal but arbuscles were small and fewer in number reducing the
effectiveness of the fungus/plant relationship. Other researchers have reported
mycorrhizal infections tend to die out in soils containing or given much phosphorus
(Baylis, 1967; Mosse, 1967). The development of mycorrhizal relationships were
found to be the greatest when soil phosphorus levels were at 50 mg kg -1 (50 ppm)
(Schubert & Hayman, 1986).
Summary and recommendations:
The benefits of mycorrhizae are greatest when soil phosphorus levels are at or
below 50 ppm (50 mg kg -1). Mycorrhizal infection of roots declines above this level
with little if any infection occurring above 100 ppm P even when soil is inoculated
with a mycorrhizae mix.
Prior to inoculating soil with mycorrhizae, a soil test should be conducted. If
phosphorus levels are greater than 50 ppm the addition of mycorrhizae will likely be
ineffective.
The level of phosphorus in the plant also has been shown to influence the
establishment of VA mycorrhizae with high levels inhibiting colonization by
mycorrhizae (Menge, et al. 197
. Foliar applications of phosphorusF*ck Molasses?
FUCK YOU
GET OUTTA THE ORGANIC SECTION..
dirtyho1968
Well-Known Member
Wikipedia-Arbuscular Mychorhiza
"AM fungi (AMF) help plants to capture nutrients such as phosphorus and micronutrients from the soil. It is believed that the development of the arbuscular mycorrhizal symbiosis played a crucial role in the initial colonisation of land by plants and in the evolution of the vascular plants."
ClamDigger
Active Member
sorry, i musta screwed up.
"Foliar applications of phosphorus therefore
should be avoided when inoculating soil with mycorrhizae."
Ref.
http://mining.state.co.us/TechnicalBulletins/MycorrhizaAndSoilPhosphorusLevels.pdf
ClamDigger
Active Member
good question, although i think the fact that it is organic and slow release Phosphorus might save the AM.
personally (IMO) i would back off the back off the Phosphorus just a little in SS and add more Potassium, Eg. greensand, kelp flakes, molasses flakes, coco coir.
one extra thing i add to my SS is Alfalfa Pellets, there cheap as hell at any pet food store in feed sacks.
The Alfalfa alone would pick up the K levels without introducing more P. I guess you're not seeing any N burn, though? I was tempted to add kelp flakes, but decided to do at least one run with the 2010 recipe as-is. I can't argue with so many people having such great success for so many years.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
its genetics man. this is a seed plant. some were purp color. some looked like this vvvv. and I use molasses tsp/gal or so until the last two to 4 weeks.
Jack Harer
Well-Known Member
This is absolutely true. It is also an accepted fact throughout academia that without that AM symbiosis, a plant can't achieve it's full potential. Isn't THAT what we strive for?
This has been an incredibly informative thread. Too bad it became a train wreck. Kinda like diving for gold in a pool of shit.
Whether or not someone chooses to spend hard earned dollars on pre-packaged nutes (some guys/gals have got it like that), or they go the route of the "home made", if it's organic then it's all good. I buy some OMRI certified pre-packaged stuff and use it with great success. A couple years ago, I drifted into using Bunny poop, alfalfa, molasses, wood ash, eggshell, coffee (yes) etc. All things I can get for free. but the fact remains that the pre-packaged stuff works well, and is OMRI certified. I don't even scorn those poor misguided souls who have not yet discovered organics. There are 2 types of growers. Organic, and those who should be. Most of the latter will eventually come to their senses.
Peace
Dolce Vita
Active Member
i wonder if there is any validity to the claim that molasses helps make 'denser' buds?
Cali chronic
Well-Known Member
Molasses is Potassium.... That is why she likes it during flowering.
elenor.rigby
Active Member
my girls love it, just got 5.5oz from one girl, mollaseess once a week till the end, in soil, then just mollassess and phed water last week flushing kindof..
i like mollassess,....
i like mollassess,....