The Long March to 11/24

Fogdog

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I didn't know he could do it ever again but Trump said some shit that made me feel queasy just hearing it. It's not at the "grabemm by the poosy: kind of level -- that elicited outrage -- this is more like that feeling one gets before they get sick to their stomach

 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I didn't know he could do it ever again but Trump said some shit that made me feel queasy just hearing it. It's not at the "grabemm by the poosy: kind of level -- that elicited outrage -- this is more like that feeling one gets before they get sick to their stomach

it’s as artlessly, crashingly racist as those KFC memes
 

Fogdog

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The hits just keep coming, "I have a list of charges longer than my arm. Black People will vote for me, I'm the thug candidate!"


Trump Says Criminal Indictments Are The Reason 'Black People Like Me'
"I’m being indicted for you, the Black population," the former president told a gathering of Black conservatives in South Carolina.

COLUMBIA, S.C. ― Donald Trump said on the eve of South Carolina’s GOP presidential primary that his criminal indictments ― he faces 91 charges across multiple cases ― are boosting his appeal with Black voters.
Addressing the Black Conservative Federation’s Honors Gala on Friday evening, the former president brushed off the federal and state charges he faces over his efforts to overturn an election he lost and his handling of classified information, dismissing them yet again as politically motivated.

“I got indicted for nothing — for something that is nothing,” Trump said to applause.

“And a lot of people said that that’s why the Black people like me, because they’ve been hurt so badly and discriminated against. And they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against. It’s been pretty amazing. Possibly — maybe there’s something there,” he added.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
The hits just keep coming, "I have a list of charges longer than my arm. Black People will vote for me, I'm the thug candidate!"


Trump Says Criminal Indictments Are The Reason 'Black People Like Me'
"I’m being indicted for you, the Black population," the former president told a gathering of Black conservatives in South Carolina.

COLUMBIA, S.C. ― Donald Trump said on the eve of South Carolina’s GOP presidential primary that his criminal indictments ― he faces 91 charges across multiple cases ― are boosting his appeal with Black voters.
Addressing the Black Conservative Federation’s Honors Gala on Friday evening, the former president brushed off the federal and state charges he faces over his efforts to overturn an election he lost and his handling of classified information, dismissing them yet again as politically motivated.

“I got indicted for nothing — for something that is nothing,” Trump said to applause.

“And a lot of people said that that’s why the Black people like me, because they’ve been hurt so badly and discriminated against. And they actually viewed me as I’m being discriminated against. It’s been pretty amazing. Possibly — maybe there’s something there,” he added.
that is some atomic chutzpah
 

printer

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What if no candidate wins 270 electoral votes?
If you don’t believe the 2024 presidential campaign can get any more bizarre or anxiety-inducing, just wait.

70 percent of Americans have indicated that they don’t want the major presidential candidates they now appear stuck with. A substantial percent of Democratic voters and a majority of Republican voters don’t want President Biden to run because of his age and perceived cognitive issues. A substantial number of Republicans and a majority of Democrats don’t want former President Trump to run because of his perceived legal issues.

Next — still in media-enforced stealth-mode, but coming up fast in the outside lane — is Robert F. Kennedy Jr., running as an independent. Beyond Kennedy off in the distance is the specter of a “No Labels” candidate finally materializing.

As one steps back to study that framework, a natural question starts to come into focus — one that has been asked of me by several major players from both parties over the last few weeks: What if no presidential candidate wins the required 270 Electoral College votes?

If you don’t think that can happen, you haven’t been paying close attention to this eccentric campaign season. Such a nightmare scenario seems almost preordained at this point.

In preparation of that looming possibility, here is the answer, as outlined in the National Archives:

If no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the Presidential election leaves the Electoral College process and moves to Congress. The House of Representatives elects the President from the three (3) Presidential candidates who received the most electoral votes. Each State delegation has one vote and it is up to the individual States to determine how to vote. (Since the District of Columbia is not a State, it has no State delegation in the House and cannot vote). A candidate must receive at least 26 votes (a majority of the States) to be elected. The Senate elects the Vice President from the two (2) Vice Presidential candidates with the most electoral votes. Each Senator casts one vote for Vice President. (Since the District of Columbia is has no Senators and is not represented in the vote). A candidate must receive at least 51 votes (a majority of Senators) to be elected. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.
For the moment, let’s assume Biden, Trump and Kennedy are “the three presidential candidates who received the most electoral votes.” Suddenly, the magic number is reduced from 270 electoral votes down to 26 state votes. More than that, a state is no longer duty-bound to vote for the candidate who won that state in the general election.

For the sake of argument, let’s say that in the final stretch of the campaign, RFK Jr. starts gaining in popularity with more independents, minority voters and Republicans and Democrats dissatisfied with — or disgusted by — Biden and Trump. Because of that, let’s further assume that he wins a respectable number of Electoral College votes.

“Impossible,” you say, because independent candidates generally tend to flame out towards the end of a campaign as voters flock back to their traditional party on Election Day. True, but there are noteworthy exceptions.

Back in 1992, independent candidate Ross Perot got almost 20 percent of the vote. While he won no electoral votes, his impressive showing knocked Bill Clinton’s popular vote total down to just 43 percent.

As for the last third-party candidate to actually win an Electoral College vote, it was George Wallace in 1968, who won five Southern states and 46 electoral votes as the standard-bearer for the American Independent Party against Republican Richard Nixon and Democrat Hubert Humphrey. Many believe that Wallace took more voters from Nixon than Humphrey, so much so that while Nixon easily bested Humphrey in the Electoral College 301 to 191, he won the popular vote by less than 1 percent.

All that to say that a strong third-party candidate can easily upend conventional wisdom while creating political intrigue. Could Robert F. Kennedy Jr. match or exceed Wallace’s Electoral College vote total? And if he managed to pull off such a feat, what would that do to the final electoral vote count?

After the 2020 election, Biden was declared the winner of the Electoral College with 306 votes to Trump’s 232. Many expect the contest between Biden and Trump to be even closer in 2024. If it is and Kennedy can manage to win a solid number of electoral votes, then what?

No one gets to 270 and the House of Representatives, voting on behalf of the 50 states, is entrusted to pick the next president. What could possibly go wrong with that constitutionally mandated solution?
thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4502438-what-if-no-candidate-wins-270-electoral-votes/
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus

excerpt:

After Coats left office, Trump moved to install [loyalist] confidantes with little experience in intelligence work to top positions in the agencies. Former officials worry he will do the same if he wins in November.

It has a name. It is called Project 2025.


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printer

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"I let her have this one so she could save face."

Trump says after Haley win that he ‘purposely stayed away’ from DC GOP primary
Former President Trump brushed off a GOP primary loss in Washington, D.C., on Sunday, saying after Nikki Haley claimed her first victory of the primary season that there was no “upside” to competing in the race.

“I purposely stayed away from the D.C. Vote because it is the ‘Swamp,’ with very few delegates, and no upside,” Trump said on Truth Social late Sunday. “Birdbrain spent all of her time, money and effort there. Over the weekend we won Missouri, Idaho, and Michigan – BIG NUMBERS – Complete destruction of a very weak opponent. The really big numbers will come on Super Tuesday.”

Haley took 62.8 percent of the vote to Trump’s 33.3 percent in the D.C. GOP primary, according to Decision Desk HQ results. The race comes just before the pivotal Super Tuesday contests.

Trump’s campaign press secretary, meanwhile, slammed Haley for the win, dubbing her “Queen of the Swamp.”

“Tonight’s results in Washington D.C. reaffirm the object of President Trump’s campaign — he will drain the swamp and put America first,” press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Sunday on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“While Nikki has been soundly rejected throughout the rest of America, she was just crowned Queen of the Swamp by the lobbyists and DC insiders that want to protect the failed status quo,” she continued. “The swamp has claimed their queen.”

Trump also hit Haley late Sunday for announcing that she no longer feels bound by the Republican National Committee’s loyalty pledge to support the GOP nominee.

“Birdbrain is a loser, record low performance in virtually every State,” Trump said on Truth Social. “I enjoy watching the Bird disavow her PLEDGE to the RNC and her statement that she would NEVER run against President Trump (“A great President”). Well, she ran, she lied, and she LOST BIG!”

Haley, who served as Trump’s United Nations ambassador, claimed earlier in the day that the party had changed since she signed the document promising to support the party’s eventual nominee.

Haley said “the RNC is now not the same RNC” as when she made the promise, adding she still has “serious concerns” about Trump’s candidacy.

Her remarks come after Trump announced a slate of RNC leadership candidates, including his daughter-in-law.
 

printer

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Would make for an interesting election. Not that this one will be boring.

Nikki Haley’s bid for the GOP nomination is over; her No Labels run could be just starting
It is over. There is no longer any way Nikki Haley can win enough delegates on Super Tuesday GOP primaries to win the GOP nomination. But her name might still be on your November ballot as the presidential candidate of the No Labels party.

This Friday, No Labels will hold a virtual convention to find a candidate for November. Haley is the number one prospect. Joe Cunningham, a former Democratic congressman and the 2022 nominee for South Carolina governor, is now the political director of No Labels. He recently said that Haley remains someone with “broad appeal to independents, Democrats, Republicans.”

Haley has so far dismissed interest from the No Labels team. Her campaign has indicated Haley “is perfectly happy with the Republican label.” And if she ditched the GOP for the general election this year, she knows it will do fatal damage to her reputation with Republicans ahead of the 2028 presidential race.

Haley is already alienating Trump-loving Republicans by refusing to get out of the nomination contest despite repeated losses to Trump. “I feel no need to kiss the ring,” she famously said in a speech explaining why she remains in the GOP race. “I have no fear of Trump’s retribution.” By staying in the race, she has become Trump’s chief GOP critic.

Haley is slamming Trump for undermining U.S. support for Ukraine and praising Russian President Vladimir Putin. She has described Trump as “distracted” by his many court cases. Trump’s policies will “bankrupt Social Security,” she said. And she has charged that he plans to use the Republican National Committee as a “piggy bank,” to pay legal bills. “Donald Trump’s not watching out for the Republican Party,” she told a crowd in Michigan last week. “H’s not watching out for America. He’s watching out for himself.”

She has also pointed out Trump’s many confused statements and called for a test of mental fitness for candidates over 75, a standard that would include Trump as well as President Biden. Her distance from Trump’s far-right rhetoric enhances her credentials as a moderate.

Can she transfer that image into an independent candidacy with No Labels? Haley is already attracting support from moderate and conservative Republicans who voted for her in the GOP primaries. Those are voters who, political strategists predict, are otherwise likely to stay home or reluctantly vote for Trump. But with Haley on the general election ballot, there would be a high-profile alternative for moderates on the right looking to avoid voting for the former president.

In the Iowa GOP caucuses, New Hampshire primary and South Carolina, most of Haley’s voters said they will not vote for Trump in November. In Iowa, 70 percent of Haley’s caucusgoers said Trump will never get their vote. In New Hampshire, it was 75 percent. And in South Carolina, 60 percent of Haley’s voters said they are never-Trump. In the South Carolina GOP primary, more than half of Haley’s support came from people who identified themselves as independents, according to a Fox News Voter Analysis. Haley beat the former president by 11 percentage points among independent voters in South Carolina, according to polls. She also won among first-time voters.

While losing in South Carolina, she still beat expectations by getting nearly 40 percent of the vote. And despite her struggles, Haley raised $16.5 million in January. Up until last week, she had the financial support of billionaire Charles Koch’s influential network of donors and right-wing activists. Time and again, she has revealed a deep fracture in the party with “at least one-third of GOP primary voters,” according to the Fox polls, saying they “prefer someone else [other than Trump].”

Haley’s campaign has described that divide within the party as a giant hole in their ship, a GOP Titanic. But her alarming messages about impending damage to the party to voters was not enough to defeat Trump, who got close to 60 percent of the vote in South Carolina. She explained her decision to keep running by saying she doesn’t “believe Donald Trump can beat Joe Biden.”

Yet, after another major loss in her home state, Haley said the defeat was not “the end of our story,’ and promised to keep running through Super Tuesday. Now the question is whether she will end her campaign after Super Tuesday. An independent campaign under No Labels is one way to keep the party rolling. But other Republicans have said ‘No Thanks.’ Larry Hogan, the Republican former Governor of Maryland, has instead opted for a Senate run. West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin has also taken a pass, even as he champions bipartisanship. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is already running as an independent. But he has not gained traction because of views too far outside the mainstream for even progressive Democrats. In general, Democrats are hostile to third-party presidential bids because they remember how Jill Stein and Gary Johnson siphoned off votes in swing states when Hillary Clinton lost to Trump in 2016.

Now, No Labels is looking at Haley. But what about “sore loser,” laws that might keep a candidate who lost a major party primary off the ballot? No Labels says they already have a spot for her on the ballot in 16 states and are optimistic about getting on the ballot in all 50 states. If she dives in, my bet is that Haley gets most of her votes from Republicans.
 

hanimmal

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"I let her have this one so she could save face."

Trump says after Haley win that he ‘purposely stayed away’ from DC GOP primary
Former President Trump brushed off a GOP primary loss in Washington, D.C., on Sunday, saying after Nikki Haley claimed her first victory of the primary season that there was no “upside” to competing in the race.

“I purposely stayed away from the D.C. Vote because it is the ‘Swamp,’ with very few delegates, and no upside,” Trump said on Truth Social late Sunday. “Birdbrain spent all of her time, money and effort there. Over the weekend we won Missouri, Idaho, and Michigan – BIG NUMBERS – Complete destruction of a very weak opponent. The really big numbers will come on Super Tuesday.”

Haley took 62.8 percent of the vote to Trump’s 33.3 percent in the D.C. GOP primary, according to Decision Desk HQ results. The race comes just before the pivotal Super Tuesday contests.

Trump’s campaign press secretary, meanwhile, slammed Haley for the win, dubbing her “Queen of the Swamp.”

“Tonight’s results in Washington D.C. reaffirm the object of President Trump’s campaign — he will drain the swamp and put America first,” press secretary Karoline Leavitt said Sunday on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.

“While Nikki has been soundly rejected throughout the rest of America, she was just crowned Queen of the Swamp by the lobbyists and DC insiders that want to protect the failed status quo,” she continued. “The swamp has claimed their queen.”

Trump also hit Haley late Sunday for announcing that she no longer feels bound by the Republican National Committee’s loyalty pledge to support the GOP nominee.

“Birdbrain is a loser, record low performance in virtually every State,” Trump said on Truth Social. “I enjoy watching the Bird disavow her PLEDGE to the RNC and her statement that she would NEVER run against President Trump (“A great President”). Well, she ran, she lied, and she LOST BIG!”

Haley, who served as Trump’s United Nations ambassador, claimed earlier in the day that the party had changed since she signed the document promising to support the party’s eventual nominee.

Haley said “the RNC is now not the same RNC” as when she made the promise, adding she still has “serious concerns” about Trump’s candidacy.

Her remarks come after Trump announced a slate of RNC leadership candidates, including his daughter-in-law.
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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It’s jesuitry pure and simple. The text requires none of the just-so barriers they raised. “We left out the parts we. didn’t like” takes a hot asparagus pee on the basis of the rule of law.

There needs to be a simple process to remove so shamelessly corrupt justices as these Federalist Society hacks. Trouble is, establishing any such process gets final review by three guesses; two don’t count.
 

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Trump says he’s going to do a ‘Play by Play’ of State of the Union
Former President Trump said he will do a “Play by Play” of President Biden’s upcoming State of the Union address.

“I am pleased to inform you that tomorrow night we will be doing a LIVE, Play by Play, of Crooked Joe Biden’s State of the Union Address,” Trump said in a Truth Social post on Wednesday, not clarifying as to what platform the “Play by Play” would happen on.

“I will correct, in rapid response, any and all inaccurate Statements, especially pertaining to the Border and his Weaponization of the [Department of Justice], FBI, [attorney generals], and District Attorneys, to go after his Political Opponent, ME (something never done before in this Country!),” Trump continued. “We did this once before to tremendous success – Beating All Records. It is important for the Country to get the TRUTH!”

The former president made a similar announcement last year about doing a “Play by Play” of Biden’s address, saying that if the speech was “properly done, and if Joe has just a modestly good night, this speech has the opportunity to rival any of the World’s great orators, including, Lincoln, Washington, and, of course, the late, great, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Sir Winston Churchill.”

“Watch Truth Social tonight,” Trump continued. “Enjoy!”

The former president’s announcement follows a successful Super Tuesday in his bid to regain the presidency, sweeping most of the Republican primary contests. His only remaining GOP primary rival, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley, dropped out of the race Wednesday.

Haley said it is “up to” Trump to earn the support of her voters.

“At its best, politics is about bringing people into your cause, not turning them away. And our conservative cause badly needs more people,” Haley said. “This is now his time for choosing.”

Biden welcomed Haley supporters to his campaign Wednesday in a statement, saying that “[t]here is a place for them in my campaign.”
 

Sativied

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Speaker Johnson trying hard not to nod and applaud but he knows... he knows...

If Trump wins the US won't look like a complete idiot because it elected Trump, but because it didn't elect Biden. It's not a matter of choosing the lesser evil. It's not a matter of at least it's not Trump. It's a matter of policy. "Look at the facts, you know how to read" -Biden

Also very much agree with everything he said about Israel-Gaza, including the emphasis on returning the hostages.

All that's missing is a mic drop.
 

Bagginski

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Johnson’s performance was amazing:

I had no idea an adult human male could SHRINK like that, but by the end, he was 1/3 Harris’ size…like watching the word “craven” act itself out in body language

I love the energy of it - TFFG won’t be able to color-commentate, his brain won’t run that fast
 

printer

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Johnson’s performance was amazing:

I had no idea an adult human male could SHRINK like that, but by the end, he was 1/3 Harris’ size…like watching the word “craven” act itself out in body language

I love the energy of it - TFFG won’t be able to color-commentate, his brain won’t run that fast
But Trump just decimated Biden (according to one).


Fact checking without facts. Better than those pesky alternative facts that you can check.
 
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