The left is losing more and more young voters everyday

MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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mame said:
You know, if it wasn't for you righties always pointing out something that Al gore did or said I would have already forgotten about him... I mean, is he irrelevant or am I just crazy? I really dont understand the fascination with ripping on Gore... Do you guys think anyone actually cares?
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Or maybe it's because he is all over the MSM touting Current TV's and his 24 hrs of Global Warming, oops I mean Climate Change, oops I mean Climate Crisis, oops that's right it is ACTUALLY NOW CALLED "The Phenomenon Formerly Known as Global Warming". I have a hard time keeping up with all the scary names, let alone junk science. But hey, there is grant money in it if you toe the Eco-loon line.


dukeanthony said:
The attack on Global warming is being funded by the Koch brothers
The Attack on Natural Gas is being funded by the Koch Brothers

Stop being a Koch sucker
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Yeah, I still have NO IDEA who the Koch brothers are, nor do I care. The fact that two brothers somewhere are paying to discredit the latest laughable crisis of the "spotted owl" crowd, doesn't influence my position at all. Does the fact that one of the sleaziest, scumbags to ever walk the earth (George Soros), supports a majority of your ideas, somehow make you want to change them? As I said before, if you weren't so predictable, you'd only be stupid.

EDIT-Does this post go in the "racist" pile, since all "The Phenomenon Formerly Known as Global Warming" deniers are of course...Racist?
 
hazorazo

hazorazo

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MuyLocoNC said:
Or maybe it's because he is all over the MSM touting Current TV's and his 24 hrs of Global Warming, oops I mean Climate Change, oops I mean Climate Crisis, oops that's right it is ACTUALLY NOW CALLED "The Phenomenon Formerly Known as Global Warming". I have a hard time keeping up with all the scary names, let alone junk science. But hey, there is grant money in it if you toe the Eco-loon line.




Yeah, I still have NO IDEA who the Koch brothers are, nor do I care. The fact that two brothers somewhere are paying to discredit the latest laughable crisis of the "spotted owl" crowd, doesn't influence my position at all. Does the fact that one of the sleaziest, scumbags to ever walk the earth (George Soros), supports a majority of your ideas, somehow make you want to change them? As I said before, if you weren't so predictable, you'd only be stupid.

EDIT-Does this post go in the "racist" pile, since all "The Phenomenon Formerly Known as Global Warming" deniers are of course...Racist?
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The fact that you do not have any idea who the Koch brothers are shows just how uninformed you are allowing yourself to be. They are the money behind every socially conservative movement in America. I am sad for you, because their money has obviously influenced your lack of knowledge, and you still have no idea. Sad for you.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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hazorazo said:
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The fact that you do not have any idea who the Koch brothers are shows just how uninformed you are allowing yourself to be. They are the money behind every socially conservative movement in America. I am sad for you, because their money has obviously influenced your lack of knowledge, and you still have no idea. Sad for you.
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his last line tells me he either (a) does not know what a simile is or (b) does know what a simile is but wants to argue in a dishonest fashion because that's all he has.

i'll let him tell me which it is :lol:
 
hazorazo

hazorazo

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Mr Neutron said:
I know exactly what he is saying. He is saying that his grandmother is a hypocrite for taking SS and being a Republican and he's proud of himself for "not saying anything". Loser!
You've always had SS taken out, so you never really missed it. That is the deception. Most people don't miss it, it's just a little bit each paycheck. It's the same with the income tax, take it right out of the check so people become used to the idea that they do not get ALL of their wages, they get wages minus whatever the government wants to take out. Try being self employed and see how easy it is to pay double the SS AND have to write the check for it.
How many people would want to change our tax laws and SS if they had to pay for it out of their pocket instead of having it conveniently and quietly stolen from their property?
So, you agree that SS is a bad ROI but yet, you defend it? What about the not-so-rich, is their poor ROI any less? You really haven't thought this out very well, have you?
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A libertarian? That is just a Republican's way of trying to distance yourself from the wreck your party has become. Laughable.

As for your last statement, I suggest you go back and read my statement......I said that I may not get the best ROI on the money I put into SSI, I never said it was a bad ROI. Anyone that invests long term realized that there are higher risk investments that may give a better ROI, but more volatile. You spread your risk, and the SSI is a very low risk investment as part of my retirement portfolio.

As for you whining about having to pay it out of pocket.....you make the decision to be self employed, and during good times, you reap the benefit of a good economy, and during tough times, you whine about paying what you have always had to pay. Honestly, with an attitude like that, I think you ought to go back to working for the man, you are not meant to be a business owner.

So keep whining that you have to pay SS. You always have the option to move to another country.

It does not impress anyone that is educated enough to see through it......What is your education on the subject, by the way? Do you have a business degree? Have you done estate planning or investment strategy? Just wondering.....
 
MuyLocoNC

MuyLocoNC

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hazorazo said:
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The fact that you do not have any idea who the Koch brothers are shows just how uninformed you are allowing yourself to be. They are the money behind every socially conservative movement in America. I am sad for you, because their money has obviously influenced your lack of knowledge, and you still have no idea. Sad for you.
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Yeah, I'm having a hard time following this one. So what you're saying is that because I educate myself on the issues from all kinds of sources, make my own conclusions based on what rings true to my own little brand of common sense, I'm somehow being influenced by two guys who may or may not share my viewpoints.

And furthermore, the money they legally spend on the causes they support is responsible for my lack of knowledge. Is that my lack of knowledge of who they are or are you suggesting that because I don't concern myself with the Koch brothers, I have no understanding of all these issues I spend countless hours reading about?

If that's the case, I better go get my learn on about the Koch brothers so I magically develop the gift of enlightenment. Then I will hop up and hit the brick and swallow the coin to gain the powerup of abstract thought.

Please do feel sorry for me, I'm just a sad little bigoted racist.
 
mame

mame

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As often as Al Gore is on the MSM, I never see him on TV... IDK, maybe it's just me but as far as I can tell Gore has very little if any influence over the left ATM; Apparently that doesn't stop faux and friends from using him as a punching bag but tbh nobody cares what is said about Gore... He could fall off a cliff today and no one besides those who hate him would notice.
 
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NoDrama

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If you move to another country, you still have to pay SS.

People have no idea what it takes to expatriate oneself. They think its just as easy as walking across an imaginary line and all of a sudden you are no longer under the US jurisdiction.
 
Jack Fate

Jack Fate

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hazorazo said:
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The fact that you do not have any idea who the Koch brothers are shows just how uninformed you are allowing yourself to be. They are the money behind every socially conservative movement in America. I am sad for you, because their money has obviously influenced your lack of knowledge, and you still have no idea. Sad for you.
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I'm even sadder for you. Looks like Obama is in serious trouble. The guns at the border and now Solyndra. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/09/14/bombshell_emails_reveal_direct_white_house_tie_to_solyndra_scandal

Rembling on about the Koch Brothers is not gonna cut it. The election last night in NYC was devastating. A Jewish Democrat got trounced in a Jewish District by a republican. You're ramblings about the Koch Brothers makes you look sadly misinformed. You're out of your league on an adult political forum. Sad.
 
hazorazo

hazorazo

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Jack Fate said:
I'm even sadder for you. Looks like Obama is in serious trouble. The guns at the border and now Solyndra. http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2011/09/14/bombshell_emails_reveal_direct_white_house_tie_to_solyndra_scandal

Rembling on about the Koch Brothers is not gonna cut it. The election last night in NYC was devastating. A Jewish Democrat got trounced in a Jewish District by a republican. You're ramblings about the Koch Brothers makes you look sadly misinformed. You're out of your league on an adult political forum. Sad.
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Jack, you did not even know who the Koch Brothers were until I told you. Tell me how you are showing that I am out of my league? So far, I have only seen you get owned in almost every argument you start with folks.....

Not to worry, Jack. I do not trouble myself with trying to convince the likes of you to consider fact and reason. I am only correcting you so that others may be spared some of the half truths and junk that I hear Republicans saying these days.

As for the Republican victory.....good observation, you guys won after the last Democrat in office showed his penis online. Not a surprising win, if you ask me, or anyone that uses logic. And just to remind you, the Democrat resigned from office, so the fact that the Republicans even got a shot at office was because of a Democrat's integrity after a massive fuckup. I did not expect Dems would win there.
 
mame

mame

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munch box said:
You don't know that. Prove it. You make claims like you are sure, but its obvious you are only guessing.
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They just did the census and New York is set to lose two seats via the redistricting set to take place; I believe they're dropping one Republican district as well as Weiner's district... I can source it if you like, but a simple google search would yeild a dozen or more seperate sources all of which say the same thing.

edit: Nevermind, I'll humor you:
(CNN) - As embattled New York Rep. Anthony Weiner resigns Thursday, questions about the future of the 9th Congressional District of New York hang in the balance.

The 9th District, which includes Brooklyn and Queens in New York City, has been Weiner's home district for the past seven terms-roughly thirteen years. Brooklyn was the staging ground for his resignation announcement Thursday. But after Weiner has left the House chamber for good, someone is elected to fill his seat for the remainder of his seventh-term, and 2012 elections approach, will the district still exist?

The 2010 U.S. Census revealed a population shift for the state of New York. In response to that shift, the state will undergo redistricting with a loss of two seats in the House of Representatives.

Typically, leadership in the state will draw new district lines in favor of the governing party, or to deal a blow to the opposing party. Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo will approve the redistricting effort in New York.

Weiner, who was re-elected with 61 percent of the vote in 2010, has been the beneficiary of a district that remained solidly Democratic. And as a result, it may be on the chopping block, since its loss is unlikely to significantly affect Democrats or provide a boost to Republicans.

Sources told CNN in early June that the expected redistricting effort in New York will deliver the loss of a Republican seat upstate and a Democratic seat downstate. With the escalation of Weiner's sexting scandal and his resignation, the 9th District will remain in limbo until a new congressman is elected through a special election called by the governor. But after that, it may fade altogether.
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munch box

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mame said:
They just did the census and New York is set to lose two seats via the redistricting set to take place; I believe they're dropping one Republican district as well as Weiner's district... I can source it if you like, but a simple google search would yeild a dozen or more seperate sources all of which say the same thing.

edit: Nevermind, I'll humor you:
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Like I don't stay informed. I was asking you to tell me something I don't already know. Like I said. You are only guessing. Show me how you can say the ninth district will be the seat that moves out of state. Queens and Brooklyn are still heavily populated. Go ahead. I'll wait......
 
mame

mame

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munch box said:
Like I don't stay informed. I was asking you to tell me something I don't already know. Like I said. You are only guessing. Show me how you can say the ninth district will be the seat that moves out of state. Queens and Brooklyn are still heavily populated. Go ahead. I'll wait......
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It doesn't matter how heavily populated Queens and Brooklyn are, the district will just be split up. Sure, you've got me on one thing: At this point, nothing is final; I don't know that district will be gone for sure, as they say "it ain't over till the fat lady sings". But I know it's all but certain, and that's almost as good... Especially considering NY has a Democratic majority.
 
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munch box

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mame said:
Especially considering NY has a Democratic majority.
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You should tell Bob Turner, because I don't think he got the memo....


So now you're saying the district is going to split up? I would love to hear more. Could you please elaborate?
 
mame

mame

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munch box said:
You should tell Bob Turner, because I don't think he got the memo....


So now you're saying the district is going to split up? I would love to hear more. Could you please elaborate?
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You're really just being a dick, IMO. Why dont you get to the point? You've failed to present a realistic scenario - or any scenario - in which the 9th does not go off the map. You can pick at the details all you want but that's the way it's set to happen - two seats will be lost and one of them will be the 9th.

NY has a supermajority in the house, they have the governorship and they may as well have the senate ITS FUCKING NEW YORK which means the political climate will not allow for Republicans to endlessly grandstand or they'll lose their jobs... Simple. They need a couple Republican votes, I bet they'll get them, especially considering that district is normally solidly Democratic; The 9th will not exist.

Also, it seems the DNC is very confident they'll get their way as well... They didn't spend hardly any money on that special election, you think they would hand over a normally solidly Democratic district if they didn't have something up their sleeves? That something is the redistricting... Like I said, the 9th will not exist in 2012.
 
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