"The larger the gun, the more menacing the situation,"

Big P said:

this was officially just an extra benifit of the attack on iraq


i mean bush is so honest he couldnt even keep his lips shut about it

remember he said:

"There are some who, uh, feel like that, you know, the conditions are such that they can attack us there.

My answer is: bring 'em on.


but this wasnt the trigger on why we invaded iraq but surely a great plus for what an attack could do for us


the liberls love to forget that al zarqawi the leader of al queda in iraq who was running around pesonally cutting peoples heads off on national tv

ya that guy, came to iraq under saddam wounded from afghanistan and got top notch treatment at a state hospitol in Iraq who only caters to important government bathists

he then was allowed by saddam to opperate in the north of Iraq with his terrorist group under the cover name of "ansar al islam"


this was a front for al queda in iraq


after we snapped up all saddams goons ansar al islam came outa the closet as al queda in iraq and killed most of the iraqi's who died that some liberals like to blame your own government for. but worse than that, they put that over the heads of our brave soildiers

why do you think we took so long to enter falluja??

we let the city fill to the brims with these cowards and uneducated religiously brain washed bastards and let hell fire rain down upon them


each kill was a life saved times who knows how many of probably women and children and inocents

and people degrade our troops' great triumph with rhetoric purly partisan



that coupled with the fact that saddam was defying sanctions for over ten years and playing like he had wmds to scare iran, and at the same time refusing the weapons inspectors,

we had no choice after the vicious attack on our land. in 2001 to say for our benifit and the benifit of all peace loving people in Iraq we have to act

then just to be extra nice we offered saddam to leave the country with his sons and we wouldnt attack. he refused

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The problem with our foreign policy is it is based on interventionism, "world police" if you will. The middle east problem would not have been such an issue if we and other colonial powers had behaved differently years ago.

Occupation of foreign lands by the U.S. military is always going to have unintended consequences. Sadaam was a brutal dictator, no doubt, but if there were no oil in the middle east he'd scarcely warrant a tsk tsk.

Rob Roy said:

The problem with our foreign policy is it is based on interventionism, "world police" if you will. The middle east problem would not have been such an issue if we and other colonial powers had behaved differently years ago.

Occupation of foreign lands by the U.S. military is always going to have unintended consequences. Sadaam was a brutal dictator, no doubt, but if there were no oil in the middle east he'd scarcely warrant a tsk tsk.

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i dont know man united states of american does not occupy lands thats the isrealis who do that which im sad to say is facilitated by the united states other than that we do not occupy.

Saudi arabia asked us to come and expell saddam from kuwait and that is the only reason we were in saudi, and this is the reason osama got pissed.

but we were invited to come. if the south koreans dont want us there they could easyly kick us out, so could the japanese and so could the germans.

america is not a colonial power, it is a force for freedom peace and democracy and is ready to stand up for human rights somtimes, so I see no problem when some counties choose to ask for our help.

thats like saying we were occupying britin when they asked us to help them in wwII


now osama would be like a british guy in wwII who got pissed at america for coming to help britan when they asked

we learn a hard lesson from Hitler that if you dont intervien you may end up a slave. hitler came so close to taking over the world with attomic weapons, if it wasnt for the real or false flag attack on pearl harbor we would all be speaking german probably and the west coast would be speaking japanese, then after that I would bet japan and germany would of ended up going to war with each other just like we had the cold war with russia.

natrone23 said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Battle_of_Fallujah

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Phantom_Fury

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I guess I was wrong, giving too much credit to our generals, so the delay was due to how tough the job was and not on purpose.


i came across this new game coming out about the battle hope it good:


Konami Announces Six Days in Fallujah for the Xbox 360, PLAYSTATION3 and Windows PC

Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:37pm EDT


Third-Person Action Shooter -- Based on Fiercest Urban Battle of The War in Iraq


Uses Real Footage, US Marines Who Fought in the Battle and Real Missions

Features Co-op and Online Multiplayer Modes
EL SEGUNDO, Calif.--(Business Wire)--
Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc., announced today that Six Days in Fallujah is
currently in development for the Xbox 360 video game and entertainment system,
PLAYSTATION3 computer entertainment system and Windows PC. Developed by Atomic
Games, Six Days in Fallujah is a new third person shooter experience that puts
the player in the center of the largest urban military operation in four
decades. Six Days in Fallujah combines the action of a military shooter with the
realism of a documentary film to create a new kind of experience that is both
historical and engaging. Partnering with over three dozen US Marines to help
develop the game along with unprecedented access to battle plans, after action
reports, photos, videos and satellite maps makes this game the most authentic
military shooter to date. Coupled with missions, objectives and scenarios
grounded in factual events, Six Days in Fallujah will create an authentic 3rd
person shooter unlike any ever developed.

"Six Days in Fallujah creates a very compelling interactive experience," said
Brian Christian, Vice President of Product Development for Konami Digital
Entertainment, Inc. "We are creating a 3rd person shooter unlike any other by
combining a brand new game engine, authentic weaponry, missions and combat set
against the gripping story of the US Marines on the ground."

Six Days in Fallujah lets players experience the historic battle of Fallujah as
a US Marine fire-team leader and places them in the heat of the action against
the insurgency. Players are able to physically shape the battlefield just as US
Marines did during the battle in Fallujah. Create new lines of attack by kicking
in doors, blowing up walls, eliminating enemy cover and destroying the
environment around them. To make the battle even more authentic, heavy emphasis
has been put into the environments using real world satellite maps, weapons from
US Marines and vehicles used in the conflict to fully immerse players in this
epic confrontation and experience what it was like to be a Marine on the ground.
In addition, Six Days in Fallujah will include multiplayer functionality -
allowing players to team up with other fire team members in co-op and online
modes.

Six Days in Fallujah is scheduled to be released in 2010 on Xbox 360,
PLAYSTATION3 system and Windows PC.

About Konami

Konami is a leading developer, publisher and manufacturer of electronic
entertainment properties. Konami's titles include the popular franchises Metal
Gear Solid®, Silent Hill®, DanceDanceRevolution® and Castlevania®, among other
top sellers. The latest information about Konami can be found on the Web at
www.konami.com. KONAMI CORPORATION is a publicly traded company based in Tokyo,
Japan with subsidiary offices, Konami Digital Entertainment Co., Ltd. in Tokyo,
Japan, Konami Digital Entertainment, Inc. in the United States and Konami
Digital Entertainment GmbH in Frankfurt, Germany. KONAMI CORPORATION is traded
in the United States on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol KNM.
Details of the products published by Konami can be found at www.konami.com.

KONAMI is a registered trademark of KONAMI CORPORATION.

That's supposed to be the end all of shooters, but it keeps getting delayed, then they say they aren't going to make it, then it resurfaces...

Only time will tell, but it looks like a great game.

Big P - The problems in the middle east and the west's intervention there precede the 1990's Iraqi war.
The United States does meddle, we shouldn't. You might already know but we spend almost as much on military as the rest of the world combined. We also have over 700 military installations in over 130 different countries.

We are not walking softly and carrying a big stick. Money drives wars. Money shapes policy. Way back in 1960 outgoing President Dwight Eisenhower warned us of the coming Military Industrial complex. He was right.

I love freedom and what this country is supposed to be as much as anyone, but