THE END OF H.I.Ds?? Sulphur plama technology

n00b_marijuana_grower said:

so how much is this really gunna cost??? and it says 1340 watts some crazy shit i think using this during a veg state would be fukkin crazy and the flower state as well but not as powerful as the veg state

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the first units to be sold in the uk supposedly in october will cost around 1500pounds. I agree somewhat that they will be well overkill in a small grow, but someone needing say four 600w hps or halides to light their room will need only one sulphur plasma lamp using just 1340w mounted to the ceiling and never need to raise or lower the light because its just so powerful! Smaller 1000 700 and 500w models will also be available.

Londoner said:

at the moment no i dont think hps/mh are in danger of being replaced. But in our ever eco-concered world i think people will be turned on to the idea of replacing multiple hps/mh with one or two sp lamps using a fraction of the power. I never said the 1000w version produced 600.000 lumens, its the 1340w that kicks out that amount of lumens, measured at the volkswagen factory and witnessed by Roland Loosli of growbox.ch, personally i dont think a magazine would publish this kind of info if it were untrue? personally i believe sp is the future of growing, and we'l see when the first units hit the uk and the first real at home not huge lab testing begins and when the retail price falls to half of what it will be whens its released il be sure to be getting one. Im no scientist so im not going to argue in great depth about sp's claims. Im merely passing on information seen in a magazine.

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The 1000 watt (bulb output) version is the same as the 1340 watt (total power consumed) version and no, it does not put out 600,000 lumens. It is not physically possible for a broad spectrum light to kick out 447 lumens per watt (I wouldn't believe the claim on that alone unless all of my engineering text books/instructors/laws of physics are wrong).

A hypothetical ultra-efficient green laser diode may someday kick out 447 lumens per watt but not a broad light source (555nm at 65.4% efficient is 447 lumens per watt). BTW, the highest a broad white light source constant over the light spectrum can get is 220 lumens per watt.

Perhaps they were referring to the old 5,700 watt version of this light which likely does put out 600,000 lumens.

I hope this clears things up a bit.

techhead420 said:

The 1000 watt (bulb output) version is the same as the 1340 watt (total power consumed) version and no, it does not put out 600,000 lumens. It is not physically possible for a broad spectrum light to kick out 447 lumens per watt (I wouldn't believe the claim on that alone unless all of my engineering text books/instructors/laws of physics are wrong).

A hypothetical ultra-efficient green laser diode may someday kick out 447 lumens per watt but not a broad light source (555nm at 65.4% efficient is 447 lumens per watt). BTW, the highest a broad white light source constant over the light spectrum can get is 220 lumens per watt.

Perhaps they were referring to the old 5,700 watt version of this light which likely does put out 600,000 lumens.

I hope this clears things up a bit.

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ok so everything iv read about these tests which have all been carried out at recognised institutions are all bare faced lies?? And no the 600.000 lumens was measured from a 1340w (bulb output) and 1625w (total power consumed) technology has advanced since the first sp lamps that you refer to of 15years ago.

Londoner said:

the first units to be sold in the uk supposedly in october will cost around 1500pounds. I agree somewhat that they will be well overkill in a small grow, but someone needing say four 600w hps or halides to light their room will need only one sulphur plasma lamp using just 1340w mounted to the ceiling and never need to raise or lower the light because its just so powerful! Smaller 1000 700 and 500w models will also be available.

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Do you know who will be selling these? I have contacted the listed uk distributers from the Plasma-sulphur site with no response but to be honest I imagine they will be selling in bulk rather than to Joe Blogs.
I would love to be an innovator in testing one or maybe two of these but would need to speak to the dealers first regarding guarantee's etc. I aint spending over a grand on a light for it to go pop 3 months later.

mjgrower said:

Do you know who will be selling these? I have contacted the listed uk distributers from the Plasma-sulphur site with no response but to be honest I imagine they will be selling in bulk rather than to Joe Blogs.
I would love to be an innovator in testing one or maybe two of these but would need to speak to the dealers first regarding guarantee's etc. I aint spending over a grand on a light for it to go pop 3 months later.

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this is what it says in the mag:
"where can i get one from?
Well, if you are interested visit www.plasma-international.com/contact.htm You can apply to be on the waiting list but this is full until october." have you tried LG electronics? I would wait until the price has fallen and the first true at home tests are done but i would love to see a journal using sp lights!

Londoner said:

this is what it says in the mag:
"where can i get one from?
Well, if you are interested visit www.plasma-international.com/contact.htm You can apply to be on the waiting list but this is full until october." have you tried LG electronics? I would wait until the price has fallen and the first true at home tests are done but i would love to see a journal using sp lights!

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Thanks but these are the ones I have already emailed - I might try give them a call next week. I'm inpatient and would love to see these in action on some plants but would prefer them to be my plants in case they kick off as much as what they are supposed to.

I can't find any details on any of LG's sites so far.

Is anyone here on the waiting list or plant to try these out soon?

Londoner said:

ok so everything iv read about these tests which have all been carried out at recognised institutions are all bare faced lies?? And no the 600.000 lumens was measured from a 1340w (bulb output) and 1625w (total power consumed) technology has advanced since the first sp lamps that you refer to of 15years ago.

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Jesus Christ, go to the manafactuers web site and you'll see that they DO NOT put out 600,000 lumens.

Right from the data sheet:

PLASMA INTERNATIONAL - SULPHUR PLASMA LIGHTING SYSTEMS

mjgrower said:

Thanks but these are the ones I have already emailed - I might try give them a call next week. I'm inpatient and would love to see these in action on some plants but would prefer them to be my plants in case they kick off as much as what they are supposed to.

I can't find any details on any of LG's sites so far.

Is anyone here on the waiting list or plant to try these out soon?

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sorry then m8 i cant help ya any more than, just hope that waitin list aint too long if ya really wana b among the 1st to try em. I definately plan to try one but il have to wait its definately outta my pricerange, mrs londoner already complains i spend too much on my hobby

techhead420 said:

Jesus Christ, go to the manafactuers web site and you'll see that they DO NOT put out 600,000 lumens.

Right from the data sheet:

PLASMA INTERNATIONAL - SULPHUR PLASMA LIGHTING SYSTEMS

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JESUS CHRIST i clicked on that link and unless im seriously missing something, this is what i saw, plasma international tesla 1000 sp lamp
0.57million lumens full and continuous spectrum, source jena university 2007.... Excuse me if wordings not exact but Isnt this what i said in my very first post quoted from the magazine?? Isnt
0.57million the same as
570.000 then?? It mentions nothing of the 600.000 lumen claim at the volkwagen factory in 2008, so whos to say that the 600.000lumen sp is even made by plasma international? The magazine already states LG are making them so who knows how many other companies have jumped on the sulphur plasma bandwagon and are developing theyre own versions? That data sheet also states that the first prototype sp lamps produced something like 140 lumens p/watt, little more than a 1000w hps. But it states its the new(2007) tesla 1000w sp produces 0.57million lumens thats fucking 570 lumens p/watt!!! And u said 447 lumens p/watt is impossible with broad continuous spectrum light!! So if they can improve on the technology that much from the first prototype 140 lumens p/watt models to the 2007 models 570 lumens p/watt, why is so impossible for you to believe that the 2007
0.57m lumen could have been tweaked to produce 0.6m lumens by 2008 possibly even by a rival company? And even if the 0.6m lumen 2008 claim at the volkswagen factory is untrue then fuck me isnt
0.57m lumens from a 1000w lamp good enough for you...?

The data sheet quite clearly says 160 lumen/watt. The chart above quite clearly says that your getting 57 KLux at 30cm.

From the same page:

"Our first prototype lamps were 1.18 kW units, with a system efficiency of just over 100 lumens per watt. The first production models were 1.36 kW with an output of 191,000 lumens."

You are misreading that chart, it's a power spectrum distribution chart and not a claim of total lumens. That's where the mistake lies and it's an easy mistake for a layman to make (I'm an engineer with formal training in photometry).

BTW, these lights have way to much blue spectrum for maximal efficient flowering. The high amount of blue light will reduce the total amount of auxin (a growth hormone) in the plants. The light also spectrally peaks where plants have the lowest absorbtion.

Here is some more info on them. check it out YouTube - Plasma Light Bulb very cool.

techhead420 said:

The data sheet quite clearly says 160 lumen/watt. The chart above quite clearly says that your getting 57 KLux at 30cm.

From the same page:

"Our first prototype lamps were 1.18 kW units, with a system efficiency of just over 100 lumens per watt. The first production models were 1.36 kW with an output of 191,000 lumens."

You are misreading that chart, it's a power spectrum distribution chart and not a claim of total lumens. That's where the mistake lies and it's an easy mistake for a layman to make (I'm an engineer with formal training in photometry).

BTW, these lights have way to much blue spectrum for maximal efficient flowering. The high amount of blue light will reduce the total amount of auxin (a growth hormone) in the plants. The light also spectrally peaks where plants have the lowest absorbtion.

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mate i still dont know what your going on about im not looking at the chart its too small to read on my phone, i see nothing about 160 lumens p/watt, or 57klux, i can quite clearly see near the top of that sheet plasma international tesla 1000
0.57m LUMENS SOURCED FROM JENA UNIVERSITY, exactly what is says in this magazine. Ffs man im not arguing this point with u anymore...

It clearly says 160 lumens per watt in the table BELOW that chart that you're misreading and the 57KLux at 30 cm is IN the the chart that you're misreading.

Once again, the high numbers that you're claiming (570 lumen/watt or whatever) are simply a violation of the laws of physics for the type of lighting spectrum shown in the power spectrum distibution chart. This would require the light source to be higher than 100% efficient. This is a plain fact. Any engineer trained in phototonics is going to back me up on these statements.

A 1000 watt HPS is 150 lumens/watt but closer to 165 lumens/watt when using a switching power supply ("digital ballast") at a much lower price with a better spectrum for flowering.

Londoner said:

mate i still dont know what your going on about im not looking at the chart its too small to read on my phone, i see nothing about 160 lumens p/watt, or 57klux, i can quite clearly see near the top of that sheet plasma international tesla 1000
0.57m LUMENS SOURCED FROM JENA UNIVERSITY, exactly what is says in this magazine. Ffs man im not arguing this point with u anymore...

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It does say 160W/Lm. Gotta look for it a bit, but its there.

Now I'm not poo-pooing these lights, I kinda dig 'em, I think.
I do trust TechHead for the most part.

Jury is out, and at the price and availability, it will be for quite some time.

Do you have an data sheets or the like to share?

BigBudBalls said:

It does say 160W/Lm. Gotta look for it a bit, but its there.

Now I'm not poo-pooing these lights, I kinda dig 'em, I think.
I do trust TechHead for the most part.

Jury is out, and at the price and availability, it will be for quite some time.

Do you have an data sheets or the like to share?

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no i dont, as iv said at the beggining and throughout this thread my info is quoted from the latest urban garden magazine, so, if this is all bullshit and the claims are all bogus why would this magazine be publishing this info, especially mentioning the institutions that these tests are alledged to have taken place including the names of people who witnessed them? and why does it say at the top of that data sheet quite clearly 0.57m lumens?

wow I would pay the price these lights sound awesome.

It's probably what our kids will be growing with! I thought LED would be next but technology has leaped past them it looks like. Interesting to see what happens with these new lights!

Londoner said:

no i dont, as iv said at the beggining and throughout this thread my info is quoted from the latest urban garden magazine, so, if this is all bullshit and the claims are all bogus why would this magazine be publishing this info, especially mentioning the institutions that these tests are alledged to have taken place including the names of people who witnessed them? and why does it say at the top of that data sheet quite clearly 0.57m lumens?

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You're asking good questions. The .57m lumen is quite confusing.

Remember, most of the writers for these growing magazines are not engineers or technical types and I've seen numerous mistakes in them. "Maximum Yield" is particularily prone to bad information.

fuck it tech let me know when they hit the US market, PM me ill buy the bitch and start a journal'

Vizion420 said:

holy shit thats more amazing than the sulpher plasma thats crazy a tic tac size bulb

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it is a plasma lamp