Tangerine Nightmare

amsterdam2015

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Could someone please help with this Tangerine Dream plant.


It has had 5 weeks veg, and has now been in flower (12/12) for 20 days.


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The other plants look normal, I just dont know what to do with this TD. It is my first grow, is it worth waiting for this plant, or should i get rid of it now - with the extra light benefiting the other plants?IMG_0010.jpg - Normal flowering, same tent, same germination date. Its Russian Rocket Fuel.


Appreciate any comments or questions..

Thanks!!
 

cannabisbudbeans

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i am not sure but in the first pic it look like that your tent is humid i can see drops of water is that right or it is the picture ?
 

Whatstrain

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TD from Barneys Farm is one of the worst strains i have ever seen. I have only seen a handful of grows where it didnt hermi/take 6months to finish flowering/never flower or come out with rubbish worthless bud. Personally mine grew perfect with one huge foot and a half cola that was as thick as my leg and smelt like i was in a orange grove but it was all light and fluffy with so few trichs i couldnt see them with my eye at the end of 8 weeks of flowering(10 if you include the switch). I regret growing it becuase even a auto would of been better than that TD plant.

Cut her down and give the other plants some more love.
 

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ProfessorPotSnob

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Agreed ^^^ You should count your blessings as Tangerine Scream was a Nightmare on my end as well .. I wound up with true Equatorial Trees and knew by the traits to count my loss and wright Barney's Farm off ...

Looks like you have some twisting at the top but the L.E.D lighting does not allow us to see the plants as needed ..
 

match box

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WOW I thought I was the only one that had a problem with TD. 10 seeds and they all went in the trash. I had HIGH hopes for it also. I wouldn't even try to grow it again. Good luck
 

amsterdam2015

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Agreed ^^^ You should count your blessings as Tangerine Scream was a Nightmare on my end as well .. I wound up with true Equatorial Trees and knew by the traits to count my loss and wright Barney's Farm off ...

Looks like you have some twisting at the top but the L.E.D lighting does not allow us to see the plants as needed ..

I can take a few photos in different light if you think its worth doing so..

But I really don't want to wait 6 months or so for low quality bud, so maybe I will end up tossing it.

Thanks to everyone for their input
 

Saldaw

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ive never grown any of barneys farms seeds but i have been to thier coffee shop in amsterdam
Dr. Grinspoon - amazing sativa
Liberty Haze
Pineapple Chunk

dont write barneys farm off before you try these
 

amsterdam2015

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Its a 135w LED with 85w CFL (red spectrum) covering 4 plants, if i were to ditch TD, the benefit should be quite large?

Also looking into a 2nd CFL as I am worried about fluffy buds, would a 300w (red spectrum) CFL be more than adequate for my grow?

Total would be 135w LED and 385W CFL (actual watts)
 

Whatstrain

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What is your RH? you can pick up a cheap Temp/RH monitor for under $20 at any walmart or home improvement store. If your RH is anything above 50% then you should look into a dehumidifier because you'll be risking mold later on in flower.

Personally i would kill the TD, its a crap strain and like ive said before i rarely ever see anything good said about it. I dont know how many other plants you have in there but they will benefit from more light with the TD gone.

As for adding more light, how big is your tent? What are your temps like right now? can you control the temps with a A/C or are you just running ambient air?
If you can keep your temps lower then a extra CFL or two wont hurt but im my experience you'll end up with fluffy bud anyways. I dont know what brand of LED you're running but i only see dense stinky buds coming from the expensive ones that are running 3-5w+ led's. So if you want some dense buds i would look into adding some HID lighting like a 250-400w HPS or MH if your LEDS are mostly red.





ive never grown any of barneys farms seeds but i have been to thier coffee shop in amsterdam
Dr. Grinspoon - amazing sativa
Liberty Haze
Pineapple Chunk

dont write barneys farm off before you try these
This is the problem with barneys farm, they get one good pheno out of the thousands of shit phenos and then buy a cannabis cup and everyone expects to get a stabilized strain. What you get is pollen chucked with huge variations and lots of problems. In short what they sell to smoke is not even close to what you get in seeds.
 

amsterdam2015

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Whatstrain,

Really appreciate the help. I will pick up a monitor asap.

The tent is 80x80x140 and the LED has fans which control the temp, I have no thermometer, but I can roughly gauge how warm the tent gets.

As I am on a budget, I am picking things up as I go along.

The LED was fairly pricey and it is the 3w kind. I cant really use any lights that would require additional cooling, so CFL seem to be the only option.

There will be 3 plants left in the flower tent after I get rid of TD, sharing 135W LED and soon to be 385W CFL


I am looking at a couple new strains, shaman and purple og 18, I have done a lot more research this time around, and hopefully have no problems with those. Do you have any recommendations for other strains to try, based on those 2 (quite different strains)

Thanks again for your time
 

Whatstrain

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Anything i can do to help :) My first grow started with CFLs and ended with a 4x4x6 tent with a 600w and 400w and 8 T5's so building as you go works.

One thing you can do to help is to keep those temp swings in control the best you can. Ideally you want 75 with lights on and 65-70 with lights off. Obviously not the easiest thing to do but maybe cracking open a window a little bit during lights on and adding a small heater set to 70 for the lights off. If you are DIY handy then you could crack open a window and seal a box around where the window is open, cut out a small hole in the box the size of a small fan to slowly pull cold air into the room (if its winter for you). Just think of things you can do to keep the temps in those ranges ive said before.


I have always been thought you want to roughly follow 50-75watts per plant for veg and 100-150watts per plant in flowering so with 520watts total over 3 plants you're hitting 173watts per plant which is perfect because CFLs dont have the penetration your LED or a HID does.



  • I am looking at a couple new strains, shaman and purple og 18, I have done a lot more research this time around, and hopefully have no problems with those. Do you have any recommendations for other strains to try, based on those 2 (quite different strains)​




I am a big TGA fan. There is variation in the strains but you'll find a keeper in every pack. TGA is only regular seeds though and if you have plant restrictions you might want to choose fem (i hate fems but not everyone can pop 10seeds and sex them). You get what you pay for with TGA, i would try his vortex and try scrogging it. Any of these breeders produce great strains- There is a lot of decent breeders ive left out because i dont have any experience with them or havnt heard many good thing about them.

Alphakronik Genes- Anything is great
Bohdi - If you can get your hands on any of his seeds do it! He is a very respectable breeder.
DNA- Never grown anything from DNA but there is lots of grow reports that look very dank.
Gage Green
Mr.Nice- Old old breeder with lots of great stuff although some of it is very expensive
Sensi- Great breeder with some old strains that you might want to try someday but very expensive..



Another thing to look at is how you train your plants. Since you dont have the penetration a 1000W HID has you want to have the most even canopy you can so all of your buds get the same amount of light. Look into SCROG, LST, Main-Lining.
 

amsterdam2015

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Amazing help. I have been looking into getting regular seeds as it appears some of the best breeders are regular only. I have a separate tent 60x60x120 for vegging, it currently has 85w CFL and a Sweet seeds Cream Caramel automatic under it. If i were to add another 85w of CFL in that tent, could I get regular seeds, and have enough light/room to sex the 20 or so seeds?

I dont really want to increase the amount I grow, and was initially put off by the added complications of spotting sex, but with 8 weeks of my first grow under my belt, I feel the spotting of males etc, would be easier than I anticipated, and not quite the huge trouble it seemed.

I was not aware just how many changes the plants go through during the cycle.

As for training, I will be doing a scrog next time around, only decided against it this time as I was running autoflowers as was told its best to simply let them go. (although did LST them somewhat, and have a few colas to show)

Really good of you to take all that time, thanks again. Tomorrow I ditch TD and by the weeks end I'll have the full 520W available.

Just one thing that is slightly bugging me about the others, is I thought they would nearly be finished by now, but its the start of week 9 from seed, and to my eyes they look nowhere near ready..

could you offer any idea as to how long this might have left to finish?

IMG_0006.jpg Russian rocket fuelbubb.jpg Bubbleliciousrrf.jpg RRF

The RRF was the only one that auto'd and that took 5 weeks.. (i put the rest on 12/12 then as I could not afford to wait any longer)

all sounds a little too slow?
 

Whatstrain

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  • it currently has 85w CFL and a Sweet seedsCream Caramel automatic under it. If i were to add another 85w of CFL in that tent, could I get regular seeds, and have enough light/room to sex the 20 or so seeds?​





Technically you could sex 20 small plants with 160-200watts. I would start them all in party cups for 2 weeks and then move them into 1 gallon's before you switch 12/12 and kill off any males. Males are super easy to spot and so are females so dont fret.

If could could control temps then i would go this route. This will give you the best bang for your buck and produce some dank buds.

Get your 10-20reg seeds and sex them as i said above. Check how much it would cost to build a set up of 26w CFLs compared to the 85W becuase you might be able to get more wattage and more coverage using 26w's. Save up as much cash as you can, pull some extra hours at work if you can and buy a used or new HID light. Size depending on if you can control the temps, i was able to run over 1000watts in a single room in a apartment by turning off my heating and running my lights at night with a window slightly cracked open (i put a ext cord out the window to plug into my car to make it look less obvious). Start with a 250watt if you want something a bit better but look into the 400-600w range. After you have female plants put in your new HID(if you opt to buy one) and buy a HPS bulb first (most used ones come with a HPS) and put them on 18/6. Once you can take clones from your mothers take them and root them and put them in your flower room. Write down basic notes for each one on things like how fast they are growing, the space between nodes, if they get nute burn easy or if they can take heavy nutes. You should also place the HID lighting into your flowering room with clones and put your LED and CFLs into your veg tent. Youll also need to buy a carbon filter and fan for your flower room if you already dont have one to get rid of that heat from the HID.

You can choose to do two things, one is to flower your clones for a couple weeks and pick the best one of the bunch and flower the other moms and keep the one you like as your mother. Or you can flower the clones all the way to the end and smoke them and choose the best high/taste/smell along with the best grower as your mother. I would chose the second option and train your mothers during the time the clones flower. Once you pick your best clone and mother flower out the other mothers and train/clone your "keeper mother"


You will figure out something fast that if you want to SCROG it pretty much means you have to Veg/flower in the same space because unless you build a movable screen that is firmly attached to the pot, one you start training you cant move it. If you want to do a perpetual scrog then you need to have a small mother/clone room with CFLs in your closet. Along with another HID, if you end up buying a 600W to flower then i would get a 400w MH to veg, if you end up getting a 400w to flower i would get a 250 watt to veg. Personally youll get the best results with the 600w if you can keep temps in control. Running this much will mean you need a A/C unit to combat heat during summer/early fall unless you're far south you might have to run it 24/7. A 5000-10000BTU window A/C (10k pref) will cost you 100-200 dollars if you buy it during winter time. I choose to run my lights like this right now (just to give a rough idea) it also saves me a bit on electric. You could scrap using a HID for veg and just use the LED plus a few clusters of CFL's but the results from a MH HID for veg are unbeatable.

(8pm-8am) 600w Flower room is on
(8pm-2am) dark period for veg room
(2am-8am) My T5 lights come on in veg room (300watts i think? you could use CFLs) My 300watts of T5 run far cooler than 400watts of HID, but the 400w MH is far superior to my T5's
(8am-8pm) my 400w MH runs in my veg room

Using this i keep my temps low and during the summer my 12k btu A/C would turn on for less than 20mins a hour during the middle of the day.

What ive mentioned above all depends on if you want to go slightly bigger, it can all be bought as you go though.



  • Just one thing that is slightly bugging me about the others, is I thought they would nearly be finished by now, but its the start of week 9 from seed, and to my eyes they look nowhere near ready..​




Youll learn fast what most breeders put in strain descriptions is a complete and utter lie. Its all based upon one certain pheno out of the group. Also from my experience if your running the plant from seed then you have to add 1-2weeks onto the base flower time. Going by those pictures i would say you have at minimum 3 weeks to go, more so leaning towards 4 almost 5 weeks. When its getting close you will see the buds start to swell a lot, the hairs start to turn brown and recede into the calyx's. Dont rush them, those last few weeks get so tempting but it really pays off when you wait.

Sorry if anything doesnt make sense just ask, half typed this while making dinner so its a bit cluttered.
 

amsterdam2015

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Wow, just wanted to say thank you for the abundance of information! Lots of things to think about and you've answered several questions I did not even ask! haha..

I think I am going to go with TGA, love the sound of several strains..

And I have used really thick wire to create pots with their own screens, so I can transport them into the flower room when needed :)

Thanks again for all that information
 

shnazul23

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Could someone please help with this Tangerine Dream plant.


It has had 5 weeks veg, and has now been in flower (12/12) for 20 days.



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The other plants look normal, I just dont know what to do with this TD. It is my first grow, is it worth waiting for this plant, or should i get rid of it now - with the extra light benefiting the other plants?View attachment 2408605 - Normal flowering, same tent, same germination date. Its Russian Rocket Fuel.


Appreciate any comments or questions..

Thanks!!
looks like over fertilization
 

amsterdam2015

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It has now been removed from the flower tent. If it was over fert which is a good possibility, then getting rid was not a bad idea as i guess it would have not produced nice buds, and not any time soon..
 
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