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Winter Woman

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Lawmaker Seeks More Transparency for SWAT Team Raids

By Ken Braun | June 18, 2011
The part-time mayor of an upper middle class Maryland suburb of Washington, D.C. found himself and his mother-in-law handcuffed in his own home by a Prince George’s County SWAT team one July evening three years ago. His two black Labrador retrievers had been shot dead, the second one from behind as it fled the officers who had broken into the home in a ‘no knock’ raid as part of a drug investigation. Five months later, Berwyn Heights Mayor Cheye Calvo and his entire family had been cleared of all wrongdoing and suspicion, but the county police were still refusing to provide documentation to justify why they had violently entered the home of an innocent man.

One expert analyst on SWAT raids says the use of them for non-violent offenders, let alone innocent targets, has become alarmingly routine, yet way under the public radar because most of the targets are not as high profile as Calvo. A Michigan lawmaker will soon introduce legislation aimed at giving citizens a better look at what their militarily-equipped police teams are up to.

Rep. Tom McMillin, R-Rochester Hills, will be seeking co-sponsors for a bill that would require an annual report from police agencies regarding how often they deploy their SWAT teams. Largely due to Calvo’s influence, a similar bill was swiftly approved in Maryland following the raid on his home. The results of the very first reports were sobering, showing that Maryland’s SWAT teams raided buildings on an average of 4.5 times per day during the last six months of 2009.

And in Prince George’s County, the police department that hit Calvo’s home reported that half of its SWAT raids were conducted for investigations of misdemeanors or non-serious felonies, according to Radley Balko, formerly a senior editor for Reason Magazine and now a senior writer with the Huffington Post.

“That means more than 100 times last year Prince George’s County brought state-sanctioned violence to confront people suspected of nonviolent crimes,” wrote Balko, shortly after the report was released. “And that's just one county in Maryland.”

Balko has been researching and reporting on SWAT raids for several years. While working for the Cato Institute in 2006, he authored a comprehensive examination of the history and impact of SWAT deployments. In “Overkill: The Rise of Paramilitary Police Raids in America,” Balko gives accounts of what he says are 150 ‘botched’ raids. He also notes one estimate showing that as many as 40,000 SWAT raids may be happening each year – a steep increase from the early 1980s when they were “largely confined to extraordinary, emergency situations such as hostage takings, barricades, hijackings, or prison escapes.”

Where Balko is convinced that there is a general and serious national problem with the use of militarized police units, McMillin is just looking for answers and is quick to stress that his bill is not intended to criticize the police who must follow these policy orders, nor even necessarily much of the general policy surrounding SWAT raids. Instead, he believes the public is entitled to more information and greater transparency from its government.

"We're not talking about traffic tickets,” he said Friday evening. “We're talking about police using automatic weapons, sometimes flash grenades, and busting down doors. Shining a light on these activities is something simple and would keep citizens informed about these kinds of activities.”
As an example, McMillin notes the May 2010 death of 7-year old Detroiter Aiyanna Jones. The Detroit Police Department’s SWAT team raided the home where she was sleeping in search of a murder suspect who was indeed at the location and surrendered without incident. No rounds were fired by the occupants of the home, but one officer’s gun was discharged, hitting only Aiyanna with a fatal shot to the neck. The police initially claimed that the girl’s aunt had reached for the officer’s weapon, but later backtracked from the claim.

The Detroit News reports that the officer who allegedly fired the weapon has previously been accused in a federal lawsuit for “being part of a team that broke into a home, shot two dogs and pointed a pistol at children, including an infant.”

Mayor Cheye Calvo filed a lawsuit following the incident that led to the death of his two dogs and reached a settlement with Prince George’s County that included an undisclosed amount of money. Calvo also told a local TV station that “the county has agreed to come up with new protocols in the way SWAT teams operate. Protocols that will include guidelines on how to treat animals in the course of a raid.”
Controversial Detroit-area attorney Geoffrey Fieger is representing the family of Aiyanna Jones in their wrongful death lawsuit against the city. One legal expert asserts in the Detroit News that "If the version of the facts that have been reported by Mr. Fieger is proven to be true, the city of Detroit will likely face a substantial settlement or perhaps an even greater verdict rendered against it. The potential for a multimillion-dollar verdict would have no clear ceiling in my estimation."
 

RawBudzski

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I am too lazy to read past the 1st sentence. .

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can someone tell me in a nutshell what happened.. Or draw stick figures for me
 

Winter Woman

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Ok, here goes. A mayor in a different state was subject to a full swat raid, they killed his dogs, they roughed up his elderly mom, they got everything wrong. He sued. And made sure it made it into the major media.

Well, Rep. Tom McMillin heard about it and about the major increase in the use of swat teams and the damage they do. Plus, that they are increasingly being used on lower non-violent crimes. He wants the police departments from across the state to have to transparently report all swat and swat type actions annually. He wants to rein their para-military style raids.
 

Beagle

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I am too lazy to read past the 1st sentence. .

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can someone tell me in a nutshell what happened.. Or draw stick figures for me
Rep. Tom McMillin, R-Rochester Hills is introducing a bill that would force the police to show the reasons for SWAT/Paramilitary raids on nonviolent offenders. They also give some examples, statistics, and history.
 

Jack Harer

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Why does it take a raid on a Politician to get them to take a closer look at whats happening in middle America? Where SWAT teams enter a house full of kids screaming "Get Down" "GET Down", throwing people to the floor, snatching babies from their mothers arms as she is put in cuffs and taken away from the kids to be further traumatized in DFC group homes? I wonder how many raids in middle america go untold or told, but in an unbiased manner compared to how many assaults occur at a politicians house? Why is there no outrage over THAT???
 

ismokealotofpot

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Don't know what to say about that. They do spend a lot of our money on this sort of thing and i do recall the little girl getting shot its sad. this is a link to show the money spent. look in the bottom right corner of the page. perhaps we should support LEAP

http://www.leap.cc/
 

Dirty Harry

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The thought of a mistaken raid at my place makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I have five "HARMLESS BUT VERY LOUD" dogs that sleep inside the house at night and three teenaged kids. I have a .45 ACP holstered on my side of the bed frame and a 12GA shotgun in the bedroom closet.
If someone came to the house knocking on the door, ringing the door bell, or just pulling into the drive the dogs go off like a burglar alarm.
There would be no way I would hear "POLICE" or "SEARCH WARRANT" after being woken up from a sleep over the dogs going ape shit.
I know I would jump up armed, and if I heard crashing of things and any gunshots I would be in the home invasion mindset and I don't think I would live through it. I would be ready to protect my family and pets and if I saw figures in black in the house fighting or shooting the dogs I would be firing back.
I would only have a split second to decide police or home invasion. I am 99.9% sure I would assume an invasion and act accordingly.
The teams mistake I am sure would be my last day because if I would delay my reaction and it is a real invasion, everyone in the home is at risk and I won't have that. There was an invasion five miles from me. They ran in, one told the other to "get the damn dog" and started beating the shit out of the woman of the house. The man of the house is a former Marine and a fight was on. He fought them off, but not before getting shot in the leg. He didn't know he was shot till it was over and he thought his wife was shot in the head from all the blood coming off her head.
 

Dizzle Frost

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i think it shoudl go like this
if i see an armed intruder in dressed black, and if he has friends im not going to care if its the cops..im gonna shoot them...now i shouldnt be liable for those killings because of bad intel on my part. its the same excuse they use so why cant we?
 

Carne Seca

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I'm glad it was finally a politician too. The police are famous for covering up their mistakes and planting evidence to support their claims. They finally fucked up enough to target a high profile citizen. This needs to be addressed on a Federal level. How about the decorated war veteran who was killed in his own home? He was accused of running a home invasion racket and they broke into his home found him armed and shot him to death with his wife and one child in the house. He was working 12 hour shifts at his job and his employer and wife attested to this fact. He couldn't have been involved with the home invasions. It ended up with the police being cleared of any wrongdoing.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867020.html
 

Dirty Harry

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i think it shoudl go like this
if i see an armed intruder in dressed black, and if he has friends im not going to care if its the cops..im gonna shoot them...now i shouldnt be liable for those killings because of bad intel on my part. its the same excuse they use so why cant we?
Your under the assumption that your going to live through the event to make that claim. I can seriously out gun and ammo the typical street gang, but a swat team with all the armor and automatic weapons...I would not have a chance and I am sure "things" that were not in the house would show up in it after the fact to give them some cover. They would say, "Yes we hit the wrong house, but the occupant came out shooting, we took him down and during the search we found A,B, and C inside the house."...anything to make the innocent look like a violent person.
 

Dirty Harry

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I feel sorry for any motherfucker that comes in my house and shoots my dog. I'll go to prison for revenge.
I hear ya. Three of my five dogs are animal rescue dogs. I am an animal rescuer and I would jump in front of a car to try and stop it from hitting one of them if I needed to.
 

baddfrog0221

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Dirty Harry, I would definitely not break into your house even with a SWAT team. I am pretty sure you would destroy any idiot dumb enough to try anything besides ringing the doorbell. The original post reminds me of the stories I have read about drug dealers that keep exotic animals to protect their grow-rooms. I recall one story of a guy that kept live alligators guarding his crop. It's a shame that law enforcement officials can assault citizens without proper notice or evidence. I am glad something is being done to increase the awareness of citizens about the actuality of this problem. This bill does not go far enough; we need some legal protection against unwarranted search and seizure. Renegade, vigilante government organizations should be subject to penalties.
 

bowlfullofbliss

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The best thing that can happen to these agencies is they are bankrupted by the lawsuits, and leaving zero money to employ police.

What I would love to see is the classification changed for our furry friends from "property" to a "life" they are responsible for during their work.

Did I mention that PIGS suck? The less the better. I love seeing them laid off during this recession. Get a real job assholes. I don't need them anyway. That's what guns and dogs are for.
 

Jack Harer

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The best thing that can happen to these agencies is they are bankrupted by the lawsuits, and leaving zero money to employ police.

What I would love to see is the classification changed for our furry friends from "property" to a "life" they are responsible for during their work.

Did I mention that PIGS suck? The less the better. I love seeing them laid off during this recession. Get a real job assholes. I don't need them anyway. That's what guns and dogs are for.

Many's been the incident where a police dog was injured by a suspect, and said suspect was charged with assaulting an officer, Go figure!!!
 

ismokealotofpot

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I hope it never happens but if you have to shoot someone. Get them in the snot locker, imagine a triangle from eyes to nose shoot there. it will blow out the brain stem and shut them down. shot placement is key.
 
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