Surprise! Leftist Minimum Wage Policy Backfires in Seattle Suburb

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reasonevangelist

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Red1966 said:
You have nothing to indicate that at all, it's just a self-serving assumption you are trying to promote to "justify" your failure.
Your lame excuses aren't explanations.

Those were repeats of your statements. The assertions were yours.

Not accepting your claims of "victimhood" is hardly hostile. I'm doing you a failure.

Yes, keep blaming others for your failure. It has served you well.


No, I don't. But anyone who claims they have no control over any aspect of their life is just not trying hard enough.
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I'm not worried about what the mentally competent readers will think; i'm only worried that the incompetent ones won't understand why you're wrong.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Not my conclusion. It was yours. I'm done telling you to quit feeling sorry for yourself. It's your life. If you want to be a victim, be one. I don't let others determine my fate, I can't understand why anyone would choose to do so.
 
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reasonevangelist

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Red1966 said:
Not my conclusion. It was yours. I'm done telling you to quit feeling sorry for yourself. It's your life. If you want to be a victim, be one. I don't let others determine my fate, I can't understand why anyone would choose to do so.
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Tell me how i can "choose" to be financially independent by tomorrow.

Tell me how i can "choose" to make the world what i want it to be, so that i won't have to alter my intended pursuits, in order to appease those with more resources and privileges, who make it their duty in life to go around imposing their opinions whims and beliefs on others (and by means of lethal force, if they deem it "necessary").

You don't seem to understand that my self-determinism does not exceed my sphere of influence, and cannot override the countless others who choose to configure the world differently than i would, in accordance with my need for creating an environment conducive to what i would prefer my fate to be.

I'm sorry that i'm apparently unable to explain reality to you in a way you can actually comprehend... but the fact that you refuse to consider anything outside of what you prefer to believe, is not my fault. I can only explain it to you; i can't understand it for you... especially if you've already decided not to listen.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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You can't get everything by tomorrow. You can't change the world. You won't get to do whatever you please. If that is what you expect of success, you're expecting too much. But you can make your life better than it would be otherwise. Your "reality" is pretending you have no responsibility for your action or inaction. That's not reality.
 
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reasonevangelist

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Red1966 said:
You can't get everything by tomorrow. You can't change the world. You won't get to do whatever you please. If that is what you expect of success, you're expecting too much. But you can make your life better than it would be otherwise. Your "reality" is pretending you have no responsibility for your action or inaction. That's not reality.
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...but you just said that my life is the way it is because i chose it.
And you said that it's not what i want it to be, because i didn't choose to make it that.

Your mistake is that you assume i don't take responsibility for my choices, and that MY choices are the things i haven't controlled, which have resulted in my problems. Reality is that even if i'm perfect in my choices, i still have to contend with the results of the choices of others, and their impacts on our shared environments, which often (more often than not) override the choices i make, and the intentions i would manifest otherwise.

If i can only choose between spending all my time and energy in futility, without achieving any worthwhile improvement, or saving all my time and energy for something else... then i will choose not to be miserable, when that choice is available. I will choose to create and modify circumstances which benefit me, when those choices are available. But i'm never the one who decides whether any of those things are available; i can only choose from what my environment and circumstances allow. I didn't make this world what it is, and when i tried to modify my immediate vicinity to better suit my chance to prosper, it was incessantly disrupted by others who lacked any consideration for my well-being. I couldn't escape that, in all these years, because OTHER PEOPLE decide whether to allow me to acquire sufficient resources, or not. Money doesn't grow on trees (cannabis notwithstanding); it comes from other people paying what they're willing to pay, for services rendered.

Too many people are Assholes, unwilling to pay another person for what a service is actually worth, while demanding the highest exorbitant prices for their own products and rendered services.

If more people would choose to behave cooperatively for the benefit of both themselves and others, instead of being selfish assholes... the world would almost certainly be a much better place.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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reasonevangelist said:
...but you just said that my life is the way it is because i chose it.
And you said that it's not what i want it to be, because i didn't choose to make it that.

Your mistake is that you assume i don't take responsibility for my choices, and that MY choices are the things i haven't controlled, which have resulted in my problems. Reality is that even if i'm perfect in my choices, i still have to contend with the results of the choices of others, and their impacts on our shared environments, which often (more often than not) override the choices i make, and the intentions i would manifest otherwise.

If i can only choose between spending all my time and energy in futility, without achieving any worthwhile improvement, or saving all my time and energy for something else... then i will choose not to be miserable, when that choice is available. I will choose to create and modify circumstances which benefit me, when those choices are available. But i'm never the one who decides whether any of those things are available; i can only choose from what my environment and circumstances allow. I didn't make this world what it is, and when i tried to modify my immediate vicinity to better suit my chance to prosper, it was incessantly disrupted by others who lacked any consideration for my well-being. I couldn't escape that, in all these years, because OTHER PEOPLE decide whether to allow me to acquire sufficient resources, or not. Money doesn't grow on trees (cannabis notwithstanding); it comes from other people paying what they're willing to pay, for services rendered.

Too many people are Assholes, unwilling to pay another person for what a service is actually worth, while demanding the highest exorbitant prices for their own products and rendered services.

If more people would choose to behave cooperatively for the benefit of both themselves and others, instead of being selfish assholes... the world would almost certainly be a much better place.
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I said your life is what it is because you let others make that choice for you. That, in its self, is a choice. A choice to be on the bottom. True, you can't win every battle, but you won't win ANY if you don't try.
 
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reasonevangelist

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Red1966 said:
I said your life is what it is because you let others make that choice for you. That, in its self, is a choice. A choice to be on the bottom. True, you can't win every battle, but you won't win ANY if you don't try.
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No. I don't "let" others. Others impose, and i have to decide whether to risk my life and livelihood to stop them, by knowingly entering an unwinnable battle, and ultimately costing myself the war. I'm very skilled at accurately estimating my abilities, and avoiding scenarios in which i am unlikely to prevail.

You're interpreting the unfortunate and unappealing results of my self-preservation as self-destruction, when the only reason i've had to accept less than what i wanted, is the decisions others made without my consent.

I didn't want to live this way, but if i don't yield and preserve myself, i won't be alive at all. Sometimes i think THAT was my biggest mistake, in that i should have just recklessly flung myself into the jaws of certain doom, due to having no better options, due to having them prevented by the choices others made, before i was even old enough to consent, and throughout every moment i've spent trying to recover from the damage others' choices have caused me.

Other people "just do things," whether i allow them or not. I can either accept that, and try to work with what remains, or i can try to get revenge by damaging those who've made choices which caused me significant detriment. The former is not ideal, but the latter is illegal.

What should i choose, then? Should i choose to illegally punish someone for imposing their choices on me, resulting in either death or prison?

Or should i try to absorb the loss of what was stolen from me by the choices of others who bore no consideration of the detrimental impacts their choices have wrought upon my life?

Where i am, is better than prison. I don't have to go there to know that.

However... it's still another kind of prison, which allows unchecked others to interfere with which choices are actually feasibly available to me.

Words require an audience; actions do not. If i try to explain something to someone who won't listen, or doesn't care, then my only remaining option is to enforce my will through actions... which will certainly and inevitably result in violence, which i'm trying to avoid, because i know i don't want those consequences.

Make sense yet?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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reasonevangelist said:
No. I don't "let" others. Others impose, and i have to decide whether to risk my life and livelihood to stop them, by knowingly entering an unwinnable battle, and ultimately costing myself the war. I'm very skilled at accurately estimating my abilities, and avoiding scenarios in which i am unlikely to prevail.

You're interpreting the unfortunate and unappealing results of my self-preservation as self-destruction, when the only reason i've had to accept less than what i wanted, is the decisions others made without my consent.

I didn't want to live this way, but if i don't yield and preserve myself, i won't be alive at all. Sometimes i think THAT was my biggest mistake, in that i should have just recklessly flung myself into the jaws of certain doom, due to having no better options, due to having them prevented by the choices others made, before i was even old enough to consent, and throughout every moment i've spent trying to recover from the damage others' choices have caused me.

Other people "just do things," whether i allow them or not. I can either accept that, and try to work with what remains, or i can try to get revenge by damaging those who've made choices which caused me significant detriment. The former is not ideal, but the latter is illegal.

What should i choose, then? Should i choose to illegally punish someone for imposing their choices on me, resulting in either death or prison?

Or should i try to absorb the loss of what was stolen from me by the choices of others who bore no consideration of the detrimental impacts their choices have wrought upon my life?

Where i am, is better than prison. I don't have to go there to know that.

However... it's still another kind of prison, which allows unchecked others to interfere with which choices are actually feasibly available to me.

Words require an audience; actions do not. If i try to explain something to someone who won't listen, or doesn't care, then my only remaining option is to enforce my will through actions... which will certainly and inevitably result in violence, which i'm trying to avoid, because i know i don't want those consequences.

Make sense yet?
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if you really want to have fun with red, go back to that thread i showed you where he talks about killing his family and hit the 'like' button on his most depressing posts.
 
Harrekin

Harrekin

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reasonevangelist said:
No. I don't "let" others. Others impose, and i have to decide whether to risk my life and livelihood to stop them, by knowingly entering an unwinnable battle, and ultimately costing myself the war. I'm very skilled at accurately estimating my abilities, and avoiding scenarios in which i am unlikely to prevail.

You're interpreting the unfortunate and unappealing results of my self-preservation as self-destruction, when the only reason i've had to accept less than what i wanted, is the decisions others made without my consent.

I didn't want to live this way, but if i don't yield and preserve myself, i won't be alive at all. Sometimes i think THAT was my biggest mistake, in that i should have just recklessly flung myself into the jaws of certain doom, due to having no better options, due to having them prevented by the choices others made, before i was even old enough to consent, and throughout every moment i've spent trying to recover from the damage others' choices have caused me.

Other people "just do things," whether i allow them or not. I can either accept that, and try to work with what remains, or i can try to get revenge by damaging those who've made choices which caused me significant detriment. The former is not ideal, but the latter is illegal.

What should i choose, then? Should i choose to illegally punish someone for imposing their choices on me, resulting in either death or prison?

Or should i try to absorb the loss of what was stolen from me by the choices of others who bore no consideration of the detrimental impacts their choices have wrought upon my life?

Where i am, is better than prison. I don't have to go there to know that.

However... it's still another kind of prison, which allows unchecked others to interfere with which choices are actually feasibly available to me.

Words require an audience; actions do not. If i try to explain something to someone who won't listen, or doesn't care, then my only remaining option is to enforce my will through actions... which will certainly and inevitably result in violence, which i'm trying to avoid, because i know i don't want those consequences.

Make sense yet?
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So it's everyone else's fault you're a failure, but you're too stubborn/lazy to change...yet it's someone else's fault?

Typical lefty bullshit "I don't bother trying to better myself because...rich people".
 
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reasonevangelist

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reasonevangelist said:
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Too many people are Assholes...

If more people would choose to behave cooperatively for the benefit of both themselves and others, instead of being selfish assholes... the world would almost certainly be a much better place.
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Harrekin said:
I'll dumb it down for you.

"Cry me a fucking river, you baby"
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It's funny that you think demonstrating my point for me, will somehow invalidate said point.
 
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