Sugar, Blueberry.

orangejuice857 · Mar 22, 2009

Ive read in one of my growing books that some people 'inject' sugar into the stalks to make them grow bigger, better ect.

my question.

If you were to inject a blueberry extract or something would it grow 'blueberry buds' or what would happen.

experimental question. i was going to attempt it on one of my plants. bongsmilie

lampshade · Mar 23, 2009

orangejuice857 said:
Ive read in one of my growing books that some people 'inject' sugar into the stalks to make them grow bigger, better ect.

my question.

If you were to inject a blueberry extract or something would it grow 'blueberry buds' or what would happen.

experimental question. i was going to attempt it on one of my plants.

Well i have actually never heard of somone injecting a fluid directly into the stem. Placing excess sugar into the plant basicacally stunts the leaf growth and forces the plant to grow flowers or fruit until the sugar is back to normal levels. So it would work. However by injecting i imagine you would burst many cells and damage the xylem and possibly the phloem. You would be much better off misting the bottoms of the leaf with a sugar solution dissolved in water. As leaves absorb large molecules such as sugar. You could also apply at the roots as most growers do but the roots are really inefficient at absorbing complex molecules like sugar.
Blueberry jam would contain adequate sugar but it contains lots of perservatives and dyes that will kill a plant. Your better off going with molasses or corn sugar/syrup. Lamp

holmes · Mar 23, 2009

please inject the blueberry jam in one of your flowering plants, and you should document it.
im going to die laughing but you might stumble on to something.
good luck

Jester88 · Mar 23, 2009

LMFAO
What a fucking stupid idea

you should pimp slap whoever told ya that

:fire:

or burn the book... if it was a book i think its rubbish :fire:

what is your mate jeleous and want you to kill the poor thing????

also these people telling you to try it prolly know itsa bad idea and like killing peoples plants...

bottom line dont do it

its the same kinda dodgy trick as sugar water feeding to make it way more but at least feeding it sugar waterit can only soak up so much

but id still slap anyone that sold me sugar water bud....

sorry if i went overboard but that idea is a bit out there, overboard and full of abolute shizenhouzen (SHIT) in my views

but good luck lol

p.s the plants make exactly what they need.. grow them right and use the right ferts at the right dose and youll get big buds.
that wont taste like shit

peace out again
j88

if im wrong please feel free to get someone to neg rep me... cos ill deserve it ie:MOD OR A ELITE perhaps
but all i cn see it doing is killing or making the plant taste like shit or even (burnt sugar).. if ya can get it to burn..

heres an idea y not shake a can of orange flavour fizzy drink on it and let it dry same thing it will only make it weigh more if it dont die.
well i figurd while where on the bullshit thread i might as well join the crew lol

orangejuice857 · Mar 23, 2009

First, I wasn't going to use blueberry JAM, extract is what I was talking about.

Second, I got the idea from the "Marijuana Grower's Handbook" by Ed Rosenthal, in one of the questions at the end of the book, one of the readers asked if he could use a hypodermic needle to inject a minute amount of sugar into the stalk, instead of using a soaked needle and thread(which was crystallizing and becoming a pain on the reader). Ed responded saying it was a good idea (the hypodermic needle part) and that this is what the Giant Vegetable gardeners use to super-size their plants.

Jester88 · Mar 23, 2009

wow go ed rosenthal

but i wasnt talking about the jam idea and i dont see how suagar would be and good.. sugars bleached. and more refined dude.

but ehy im no scientist tho lol

im subscribed.. im intrigued
but yeah i dont even like the molassses idea so i guess im a bit biast
peace
j88

holmes · Mar 23, 2009

it would not hurt to try on a test plant, it would be fun to see what happens. Unless the benefits were dramatic i would not bother injecting glucose into the plant

lampshade · Mar 23, 2009

Jester88 said:
wow go ed rosenthal

but i wasnt talking about the jam idea and i dont see how suagar would be and good.. sugars bleached. and more refined dude.

but ehy im no scientist tho lol

im subscribed.. im intrigued
but yeah i dont even like the molassses idea so i guess im a bit biast
peace
j88

What are you trying to get out of the extract a blueberry taste?? Anyhow i found a real scientific report where they injected radioactive sugar (radioactive so they could find it later) into potatoe plants. They didnt go on to explain the results, but it proves that it can be done with no adverse effects. Apparently the best way to inject though isnt the way Ed recommends it. You should simply cut off a leaf and leaves as much of the petiole (the stem of the leaf) as you can, then use the hole in the center of the petiole to inject your solution. You will probably have to cut off the tip off the petiole to reexpose the xylem/phloem.

Go here: http://www.springerlink.com/content/5185170670638106/
Lamp

holmes · Mar 23, 2009

are all sugars in the same form?
the starches or carbohydrate that the plant stores in the leaves, are they in the same form as the glucose you would be injecting?
can the plant readily use it in the form that it is in, or would it have to digest it?

lampshade · Mar 23, 2009

holmes said:
are all sugars in the same form?
the starches or carbohydrate that the plant stores in the leaves, are they in the same form as the glucose you would be injecting?
can the plant readily use it in the form that it is in, or would it have to digest it?

All of it is readily available plants are always combining glucose with fructose to make sucrose then turning that into pyruvate. Its a cycle that never ends. We call it the calvin cycle. So most natural sugars are alaways useful to a plant.

lampshade · Mar 23, 2009

lampshade said:
All of it is readily available plants are always combining glucose with fructose to make sucrose then turning that into pyruvate. Its a cycle that never ends. We call it the calvin cycle. So most natural sugars are alaways useful to a plant.

No they are not in the same form they are either monosaccharide or disaccharide, or polysacch. Then they form starches which plants can digest back to sugar but it requires energy.

alloutindo · Mar 23, 2009

This is a great post i have a few questions though. Can you use regular bag sugar, or would molasses or corn syrup be better? Also how much to use per gallon say? And how often?

holmes · Mar 23, 2009

This is a great post i have a few questions though. Can you use regular bag sugar, or would molasses or corn syrup be better? Also how much to use per gallon say? And how often?

dude if you read you would know that its just speculation right now, none of us have actually tried it.

presuming a polysacharide was injected, then traveled to the leaf, will the plant have the ability to process it to usable form of starch?

lampshade · Mar 23, 2009

holmes said:
dude if you read you would know that its just speculation right now, none of us have actually tried it.

presuming a polysacharide was injected, then traveled to the leaf, will the plant have the ability to process it to usable form of starch?

Agreed^ this is anecdotal. But I REALLY believe if done properly it would benefit. Use corn syrup though, its the literally plant sugar from corn. Refined sugar is bleached so its no good, also again as holmes said it would need to be converted. However corn syrup would be more available immediately, IMO.

holmes · Mar 24, 2009

cool..... too bad i have to no time to try this

mrshark · Mar 24, 2009

molasses is great! i use it all the time and the plants fucking love it
i use 1/4 cup in a 20 oz water bottle untill it breaks down then i add that to about 3 gallon of water and feed it once a week during flower. i also use it during flush.

molasses during flush causes no harm at all! i would never ever use corn syrup. the shit is poison to us so i wont use it on plants.
just my personal opinion.

molasses also gives you big ass tight buds!

PS: no i would never inject my stems.
why would you ? the roots love sugar and will suck it up without your stabbing the plant.

holmes · Mar 24, 2009

my friend your off. roots dont love sugar, they dont use it, applying sugar to the media is to feed the microbial city.

why would we inject the stems?, in the name of science

orangejuice857 · Mar 24, 2009

Well, to keep it short. i will try the blueberry thing. I found blueberry concentrate with 100% blueberry juice, no additives. As soon has my plants are large enough, i will inject them with in. A little bit at a time of course. I will post my plans later tonight.

alloutindo · Mar 24, 2009

I dont believe this is speculation, i've heard and read about, and know a few guys that use molasses in the flowing stage. I will try this,some aurora indicas coming up for flowering soon and i'll give it a shot on two of them so that there is some kind of control and 2 without molasses. From what i've heard it does make the buds tighter and makes the calyx swell too, doesnt hurt to try it out.

holmes · Mar 24, 2009

just to be clear alloutindo

we are not discussing pouring mollasses or any sugar into the root zone, that is a technique used to feed the live soil if you have been tending to it correctly, mollasses contains trace minerals as well.

the experiment here is to inject( by means of a needle) simple sugars into the main stalk of the plant.

capiche?

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