Right...the creation of wimpy stems and small leaves because the energy is put into the reach. But we should take this discussion elsewhere...as I would hate to hijack this thread as I am sure thousands are stopping by hoping to make this their cloning bible.
Figured you might need a bump as your fantastic post seems to just keep sliding off to oblivion. I just checked roots on the half of my clones that I cut a few days post-veg (when I needlessly, feared for the lives of those I first cut.) Man, do they look good. My first set of clones (10/12 success rate) I used just ProMix while this second set I used a mixture of K-Mart generic dirt mixed 2to1 with cow manure. (Total $: $6.89 and will save manure mixture for next 10 grows or so). This is at 12 days of cloning...10 for 10 on this batch. Who knew it was so easy...Now I can use that $70 I might have wasted on a Daisy cloner and buy that LUX thermostat I wanted and maybe set aside the rest to cover my next couple years of cloning.View attachment 3222670
btw...You too are on or about day 13, eh? A couple of those in your last picture are looking sorta sparse but yeah they are bound to catch up some day...I'll be flowering about then.Circle of Life, man.
Dave, you are so upset. What's wrong buddy? Now you think I was making a cloning bible? Run out of things to talk about, so now you make up motives for me?
Bravo, Bravo! The crowd stands and applauds. This is it, he thinks. I've made it and am receiving the adulation I deserve. It didn't matter that I couldn't write, they said I'd spend my life in my garage, but look at me now. This is just the platform I need to showcase my drying rack and air conditioner! These fools! Using portable units with temperature controls and seeking precision in all that they do! Don't they know they can build a cooler that will moderately reduce temperatures! Mwah mwah mwah mwah (the jury is still out on how to write a demonic laugh, but you get it)Figured you might need a bump as your fantastic post seems to just keep sliding off to oblivion. I just checked roots on the half of my clones that I cut a few days post-veg (when I needlessly, feared for the lives of those I first cut.) Man, do they look good. My first set of clones (10/12 success rate) I used just ProMix while this second set I used a mixture of K-Mart generic dirt mixed 2to1 with cow manure. (Total $: $6.89 and will save manure mixture for next 10 grows or so). This is at 12 days of cloning...10 for 10 on this batch. Who knew it was so easy...Now I can use that $70 I might have wasted on a Daisy cloner and buy that LUX thermostat I wanted and maybe set aside the rest to cover my next couple years of cloning.View attachment 3222670
btw...You too are on or about day 13, eh? A couple of those in your last picture are looking sorta sparse but yeah they are bound to catch up some day...I'll be flowering about then.
Shouldn't you be off alienating Mr. Sunshine now. Why are you wasting valuable space trying to prove to me that you are a little dink when there is someone new to prove that to? I mean you are already 2-0.
Ha. Who's "upset"?
let me rephrase the post then: step one buy the cloner, step two cut your clones, step three put them in their pots....pretty simple
My bad dave, I write for fun so that was enjoyable. I can see how someone who struggles would think that writing was not enjoyable.
Instead of hearing "plants stretch when the light is more than a couple of inches away" and thinking "I know about stretch". Look into usable lumens for different types of lighting. Also look into how the different sections of the light spectrum affect plant growth.
I'm sure he doesn't mind!! You are saying the cutting will grow towards the light...meaning you think it can grow without a set of roots....do you see the flaw in your logic? And why do people think a long stem is bad u know what happens when you bury a long stem in the dirt right ? It becomes a massive root ball ..
Your just as wak as he is!! In soil or rockwell it would be much faster with a rooting hormone like clonex....the fastest way to root clones is with an aeroponic cloner period..for a plant to stretch it needs roots...fuck the lumens and color spectrum.. any light will do!!
Why yes, of course, the stretching occurred once roots had started to form....and plenty of roots. I had no need to bury a wimpy stem...because I raised them closer to the light and stopped the stretch. But yeah, I see your point, when I first drop the cutting into their cup the light distance does not factor much...except in my case I was looking for some of its warmth too...which you probably don't get from 2ft away. So no not faulty logic on my side just jumping to conclusions on yours....but I appreciate your insight...thx
U don't seem to understand! This is a thread about cloning you are arguing about the next stage that's growing the plant...When growing the light should be close so it won't stretch on you... but again we are talking about cloning!!
What energy? we are creating roots ...once they start stretching they are done being cloned your Getting Cloning Confused With growing/vegging!!that is the faulty logic I'm talking about .. it's not a conclusion it's a fact
Wrong, Karnack. I was talking about the use of T5s regardless of the stage. I just threw the question at Hermex because he mentioned the distance and I was told (and have read here in a number of places) that T5s can and should be close regardless of stage. His answer also was general with no mention of cloning or the lack of roots. You say, when there are no roots, light distance does not really matter...Great! I believe you..thanks for the insight. That said, are you not totally discounting an overlap in the cloning/growing "process"? When I mentioned that my second batch of "clones" seemed to be stretching; I did not say it started on day 1. More like day 7 and then there was the quick stretch and about day 10 I raised them to the light. Stretch stopped . I stopped treating them like clones on day 16(transplanted and switched watering schedule). Oh sheeeit, You are right! I am confused! So, between day 7 and day 16 was I cloning or growing?
I have a little t5 I bought at home depot a few years ago I love it works great...The long stem thing is Imo an advanced technique it is used to get monster roots the idea is to grow a long thick neck then bury it...The original roots are at the bottom and the buried trunk also spits out roots to fill the space faster!! Growing methods Are for the most part just opinions. .....and your story's a lie 7 days then they started growing vertically! Smh u shouldn't lie to people who have actually done this!! It makes you look dumb!!
"like day 7". Sorry did not write it down the exact day but it was single digits. You are the classic solution looking for a problem. While you conveniently failed to answer any of my questions you succeeded in deflecting things to something you felt you could save face with. How does that make you look?
It is not that difficult, the t5 was brought up in a cloning thread (OMG, the horror) that deviated from what I had been told and read about t5s and I asked a question about it. YOU decided to conflate the issues and now cannot seem to let it go. I realize you think quite highly of yourself but you really did not correct me on anything. You validated what I said. My question about the distance to Hermex concerned the reaching of the plants. Unless I am mistaken, you agreed with that concept ... adding the only caveat of the fact the initial rootless couple of days it doesn't really matter....but once there are roots...."like" around day 7, it does matter. If I am "combining" concepts, then you are ignoring reality that in the 2 week plus cloning process there will be some growing. mr cloudy is more like it.
