SoG vs ScrOG?

Trippyness

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Greengenes has conducted a pretty good at600 led vs the best 1000w bulb on the market test with blue dream. Overall hps yielded more however the led looked better , tasted better , and tested higher thc% wise at the lab according to greengenes if I remember correctly . Hps didn't yoekd that much more given it was 250 watts less power. I'm 900$ away from ordering my at600 ! Ugh cannot wait
Nice light and price is up there. Interesting Light If I do say so.
What is the comparison to the BlackDog 750 actuial wattage. I see prefrench is huge here. Ya LED produces better overall.
 

rob333

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Greengenes has conducted a pretty good at600 led vs the best 1000w bulb on the market test with blue dream. Overall hps yielded more however the led looked better , tasted better , and tested higher thc% wise at the lab according to greengenes if I remember correctly . Hps didn't yoekd that much more given it was 250 watts less power. I'm 900$ away from ordering my at600 ! Ugh cannot wait
i notice no real diff in the tast or look in the buds ;) way leds are going they keep up with hps pretty damn good these days
 

hydroMD

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The space is not honestly much to look at, it's a CLW Solar Storm 440 (320 actual in bloom mode) in a 2x2x5 tent. So 4 sq ft at 320 watts is 80 watts per sq ft. Here are a couple shots of a girl I have flowering right now.
Alright, if I go soil ill take this into concideration.
I will be starting from seed so i assume ill need to veg a mother for a while until sexually mature then take clones and clone them for 1-2 weeks then move them into flower. I have herd that some people dont veg or barley veg plants on SoG
A lot of people dont veg. I would just let It veg in the cloner until a good root mass has started then flower as soon as transplant shock wears off. If your running sativa genes flower straight from rooting. Indica wait a week.
 

Trippyness

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A lot of people dont veg. I would just let It veg in the cloner until a good root mass has started then flower as soon as transplant shock wears off. If your running sativa genes flower straight from rooting. Indica wait a week.
That was what I thought.
After root shcok is gone instant flower.
What about for my Purple haze which is a hybrid?

I appriciate all the help
 

tightpockt

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Here's the deal, if you don't care about plant counts sog will probably yield more, Also, if you have a problem with one of the plants you have x amount as backup. You'd have to keep a mom, if running different strains multiple moms and take lots of clones. In scrog you're vegging and topping one plant while the other is flowering. There's no turn around time and you only have to take care of one plant versus x amount of plants. Lower plant counts obviously.
This is all assuming you have a separate vegging area for moms and stuff.... (even a 3x3x3 frame wrapped in panda film would work)
Using the same space and same light for veg and flower would take for fucking evvvver
 

vitamin_green_inc

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If you have the veg space do it exactly as you say or you can even just cut off clones one week into flower and do a perpetual that way. I would do 0 veg and into 2 liter Hempy's and you will average 10+ grams per plant. 3-4 per sq foot, lollipop them. I usually run a 3 or 7 gallon organic plant and then just cut clones off it and put them all around it in my 2x2 tent. I can have 4 or 5 strains running at a time this way. It's a little more work, but I love variety!
 

THCbreeder

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Nice light and price is up there. Interesting Light If I do say so.
What is the comparison to the BlackDog 750 actuial wattage. I see prefrench is huge here. Ya LED produces better overall.
I'm no LED expert . But ask any pro and they'll tell you that the at600 is top of the line best of everything $ can buy . Black dog I'm sure will grow Fire but is not on the level of the at600 or close . Area 51 is 2nd best . We're talking quality longevity light distribution and penetration , umol/par readings etc . Again , do some research and go with what you want . I'm not gonna bash Chinese junk but many will do that for me !
 

Trippyness

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Beautiful Mate
Here's the deal, if you don't care about plant counts sog will probably yield more, Also, if you have a problem with one of the plants you have x amount as backup. You'd have to keep a mom, if running different strains multiple moms and take lots of clones. In scrog you're vegging and topping one plant while the other is flowering. There's no turn around time and you only have to take care of one plant versus x amount of plants. Lower plant counts obviously.
This is all assuming you have a separate vegging area for moms and stuff.... (even a 3x3x3 frame wrapped in panda film would work)
Using the same space and same light for veg and flower would take for fucking evvvver
I will be going SoG.
Th is is how im doing it.
Either a good DWC or Soil depending.

Having moms in a seperate to cut clones from and a perpetuial veg and flower space.

Plus if something happens to a plant I have more.
 

THCbreeder

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i notice no real diff in the tast or look in the buds ;) way leds are going they keep up with hps pretty damn good these days
Well everyone has an opinion . I Noticed slight difference in my buds as far as resin production and yield . Maybe you did not . But I think overall it's better for me . And I'm running 600w ushio bulb in comparison .
 

tightpockt

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Beautiful Mate

I will be going SoG.
Th is is how im doing it.
Either a good DWC or Soil depending.

Having moms in a seperate to cut clones from and a perpetuial veg and flower space.

Plus if something happens to a plant I have more.
Personally if I were doing SoG I'd use coco in 1 gal fabric pots on a drip system. If your reservoir goes bad all you plants are fucked, besides I just don't like the idea of plants getting their roots all tangled together, the less moving parts the better. Sounds like you're chasing yield, which is good in a way but you have to grow it first
 

Trippyness

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I'm no LED expert . But ask any pro and they'll tell you that the at600 is top of the line best of everything $ can buy . Black dog I'm sure will grow Fire but is not on the level of the at600 or close . Area 51 is 2nd best . We're talking quality longevity light distribution and penetration , umol/par readings etc . Again , do some research and go with what you want . I'm not gonna bash Chinese junk but many will do that for me !
I have done quite a Bit of LED research. The main focus of LED is the LEDS them selves. Regardless of where its made does not matter. jsut because its Made in USA makes it better? I have seen some very great results. I see fans of may LEDS but it all comes down to the simple things. Thanks for that I will look into them
 

Trippyness

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Personally if I were doing SoG I'd use coco in 1 gal fabric pots on a drip system. If your reservoir goes bad all you plants are fucked, besides I just don't like the idea of plants getting their roots all tangled together, the less moving parts the better. Sounds like you're chasing yield, which is good in a way but you have to grow it first
Without yield the grow is pointless. I understand how this works now and can implement it :)

Can coco be bought at any local Hardware/ Co op? Or need to buy online?
 

Trippyness

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Thanks to everyone here for all the comments.

I will be going with
SoG
DWC with a flood table or just soil depending on what it comes down to.
Will behaving 2 mothers for cloning as id rather not shock my flowering plants for cutting clones during flower. of th
WIll be using 1500 watts for the full room or
450 watts for 1/4 for 15 sq feet if i choose to run with that.
 

Trippyness

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Last thing about SoG.

I see many things about Veg time. How long should I veg a clone before putting it into the Flowering stage to create buds?
How long should I veg a Seed or should I just get a big mother first?
thansk thats all I need to know
 
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