So you noobs are hooked on cannabis specific Bloom foods (aka snakeoil)..... eh?

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jpeg666

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Shut up! Your not looking any better anyways. You must hate him because he is doing much better than you to be so petty on his forums. So Childish you are. If you don't like it then just shut up and leave the forum. SIMPLE AS THAT! Sheesh you act like a little bitch.
Wow I was being civil with him and you come along making yourself look like a punk. LoL who is childish again?
 

jpeg666

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In fact I am not going to respond to any of your post any further until you can act like an adult and not a teenager. Unless you are a teenager which explains your blunt attitude about something you know nothing about, I do not hate him at all, I disagree, big difference I asked him questions to learn. Go read a book it makes you more smarter in the brain :)
 

inhaleindica

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In fact I am not going to respond to any of your post any further until you can act like an adult and not a teenager. Unless you are a teenager which explains your blunt attitude about something you know nothing about, I do not hate him at all, I disagree, big difference I asked him questions to learn. Go read a book it makes you more smarter in the brain :)
Wow! Lol........ He simply probably doesn't want to give you an answer so accept it. I wouldn't give out all of my secrets either. Its business not personal.
 

sixstring2112

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One of the Haze plants -

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This is your typical pure sativa profile - extremely narrow leaves, light green leaf color, airy as hell, very little trichomes seen via the naked eye upon harvest, tall and lanky. Not for the faint of heart. :-?

Uncle Ben
nice plants but most old school sativas dont need much other than good dirt and some water and LOTS of time lol.
Not sure what you're asking or telling here.. maybe you're looking for a pat on the back for nice plants.
the title alone shoulda been a dead givaway hahaha,noobs hooked on snakeoil.its a great argument if thats what yer after;)
you right UB in that you can get by just fine with simpleton methods but it doesnt mean every new product out there is snakeoil,i do just fine with high p canna specific nutes on both new wave mutts and old school sativas,maybe not as old as yer purebred seeds lol.but if ya wanna have a debate on nutes rather than try to help a grower out ill oblige and go a few rounds with ya.after all this is the advanced section right?kinda implies folks are looking for new ways that might work better,or maybe they are just stuck with the 700.00 worth of a/n and are looking for a way to use them and save the grow?na,there def looking to get belittled for being dumb enough to buy these snakeoils,na that cant be it?one thing you got right was learn to read your plants,that goes for trying to force feed them high p nutes,if you see they dont like it back off baby!!talk is cheap so i brought pics;)nothin but snake-oils(is it 2 werds or 1) lol.you would shit if i actually listed all the snake poop i forced on these but its all canna specific and some is from a/n,oh shit he used hammerhead and his plants r still green.and i did try dynagrow, jacks and a few others and i felt my plants were pretty healthy and green but very average.read your plants folks not your nute bottles,it all works if ya dont over do it.fwiw these pics are over a couple years time just to show its an ever changing nute world we grow in.but i hear you can grow weed full cycle with nothing but human piss:lol:
 

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srh2006

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"5. If you're determined to forgo a good book on indoor plant culture and a good general gardening forum, thinking your best info can be found here, then buy Mel Frank's 'MJ Insiders Growers Guide'. It will be your shortcut to success,"-uncle ben

i have this book and have to say it is the best book i have read and better then most things i have found on here 100% better then the grow bible every one is always talking about
i'm about to flower and was gonna get mg bloom booster so your saying i should just stay with the reg mg for flower or do you mean all the shit online
 

Uncle Ben

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i'm about to flower and was gonna get mg bloom booster so your saying i should just stay with the reg mg for flower or do you mean all the shit online
There's a reason for my madness. I have never found blossom foods to produce and maintain leaves until harvest. Their NPK ratios are all screwed up, especially the "new and improved high tech" cannabis specific rocket fuels. Jack's has it damn close with his 10-30-20 and proper choice of salts which means more Fe, Mg, and nitrate N. He formulated it to maintain/produce chlorophyll....good leaf color. Guy knows what he's doing.

I read my plants and am currently giving my Haze a high N food. Why? Because the leaves do not have the chlorophyll content they should and I'm trying to correct that. The N has been radically leached the past month or so and I suspect the compost/mulch I put on top is eating into some of the N (microbial action). I have to say the encapsulated 18-4-9 has served me well since spring.

Plants are dynamic. They can't read charts. A master gardener understands what must be done to get the right results.

I'll update with another photo soon.

UB
 

Izoc666

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There's a reason for my madness. I have never found blossom foods to produce and maintain leaves until harvest. Their NPK ratios are all screwed up, especially the "new and improved high tech" cannabis specific rocket fuels. Jack's has it damn close with his 10-30-20 and proper choice of salts which means more Fe, Mg, and nitrate N. He formulated it to maintain/produce chlorophyll....good leaf color. Guy knows what he's doing.

I read my plants and am currently giving my Haze a high N food. Why? Because the leaves do not have the chlorophyll content they should and I'm trying to correct that. The N has been radically leached the past month or so and I suspect the compost/mulch I put on top is eating into some of the N (microbial action). I have to say the encapsulated 18-4-9 has served me well since spring.

Plants are dynamic. They can't read charts. A master gardener understands what must be done to get the right results.

I'll update with another photo soon.

UB
Tio Ben, thanks for tips, and you re truly master gardener that i can respect !

it will be nice to see the new photo soon.

happy gardening.
 

Uncle Ben

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Tio Ben, thanks for tips, and you re truly master gardener that i can respect !

it will be nice to see the new photo soon.

happy gardening.
After yesterday's blustery winds into the 30's which will continue for the next few days, I might not have anything left. Outdoor growing does have headaches. On the plus side it's damn cheap. Basically all I do is water plus I had to stake them. Pots were free, soil was a couple of bucks as I just throw stuff together, plant food cost me about .25.

Glad you enjoy my posts.

Grow hard,
Tio
 

munchies7

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I really dont mind my plants costing me 50$ if im getting more in the end... having that said, can i awitch from bottles to organic?? Iafter i transfered my lemon haze into their 4 gsllon pots I have watered only once or twice, but i want to become 100% orgwnic i like results and that green leaves, etc. My sojl is sunshine mix #8 peat/perlite/vermeculite and i added wormcasting " worms were alive" and compost, also... u dont have to low ph on organic? Coz my tap water is like 8.2... and after mixing my tea drops like 8.7...
 

CC Dobbs

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hes trying to prove you dont need all those snake oils out there.. examples (snowstorm, gravity, bud blood, big bud, etc)
and the high P-k values arent required for flowering like the labels on those bottles would have you believe.

Bottom line: they want your money, they dont give two fucks about your plants.
Or the health of the people who will be consuming the flowers.
 

Uncle Ben

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This is what pure sativa looks like. They're 12 year old seeds from The Flying Dutchman's Original Haze, what Sjoerd aka 'Genefinder' calls the green haze. NO aroma, very few trichomes hard to see even with a 5X loupe and just beat to hell by 4 days of winds causing bronzing on many leaves and a loss of trichomes in the upper colas.

Manicuring this sativa was a PITA. Don't know about the potency as it's not ready to smoke. The Peak19 about took the top of my head off. Creeper weed. First tried it with 4 long draws. That was about 2 draws too much. :)

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racerboy71

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This is what pure sativa looks like. They're 12 year old seeds from The Flying Dutchman's Original Haze, what Sjoerd aka 'Genefinder' calls the green haze. NO aroma, very few trichomes hard to see even with a 5X loupe and just beat to hell by 4 days of winds causing bronzing on many leaves and a loss of trichomes in the upper colas.

Manicuring this sativa was a PITA. Don't know about the potency as it's not ready to smoke. The Peak19 about took the top of my head off. Creeper weed. First tried it with 4 long draws. That was about 2 draws too much. :)

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are those outdoors uncle ben? how tall did they go m8? i didn't see any sort of flowering times, i'm afraid to ask.. :D it must be nice to live some where that you can get away with growing lovely sat's like those, if they are indeed outdoors..
 

Uncle Ben

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Plants got beat up lately due to unrelenting gusty winds. One of the perils of outdoors growing. Big time windburn but I still got decent yields averaging 8 oz dried bud per plant. The leaves were a medium green at harvest including the Haze.

Peak19 backcrosses. Oh, interesting find. I found about about a dozen seeds lower on down the Peak19 plants. They are light brown, no striping, and should be all female. Supposedly if a plant responds with very few male flowers, which I never found, then Mel Frank says they are female. I'll have to plant to find out if that's true.

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Uncle Ben

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are those outdoors uncle ben? how tall did they go m8? i didn't see any sort of flowering times, i'm afraid to ask.. :D it must be nice to live some where that you can get away with growing lovely sat's like those, if they are indeed outdoors..
7' tall, flowered for about 14 weeks.
 

cruzer101

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Hey, got your link UB. Thanks.

Yea, I bet the trimming was a PITA. Sorry to hear they got beat up some but they sure look nice. Been thinking about your suggestion of doing a sativa run in my little greenhouse, sounds good. These stayed at about 7 feet and finished in 14 weeks. Definitely doable. Got some C99 F5 clones going now. I hear they are a quick flowering sativa but never tried growing it.

Yea, as far as nutrients goes I'm with you. People pay way to much for them. I'm on Jacks now. I just started using it this last grow and although it had been different strains that I had grown in the past I do believe I saw more bud clusters then previous grows. I cant tell you whats going on inside a plant or done side by side comparisons but I do know in the past I paid $50 for a gallon of nutes that lasted one grow and didn't do as well. I'm hooked, got me a 20 lb sack of the bloom. Black gold/FFOC with some castings is the base soil. I use it three or four times before replacing it.

Again, Sweet lookin buds man. Didn't mean to ramble on, just thought you might be interested.
 

Uncle Ben

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Hey, got your link UB. Thanks.

Yea, I bet the trimming was a PITA. Sorry to hear they got beat up some but they sure look nice. Been thinking about your suggestion of doing a sativa run in my little greenhouse, sounds good. These stayed at about 7 feet and finished in 14 weeks. Definitely doable. Got some C99 F5 clones going now. I hear they are a quick flowering sativa but never tried growing it.

Yea, as far as nutrients goes I'm with you. People pay way to much for them. I'm on Jacks now. I just started using it this last grow and although it had been different strains that I had grown in the past I do believe I saw more bud clusters then previous grows. I cant tell you whats going on inside a plant or done side by side comparisons but I do know in the past I paid $50 for a gallon of nutes that lasted one grow and didn't do as well. I'm hooked, got me a 20 lb sack of the bloom. Black gold/FFOC with some castings is the base soil. I use it three or four times before replacing it.

Again, Sweet lookin buds man. Didn't mean to ramble on, just thought you might be interested.
Enjoyed the post. Jack's is high quality food at a reasonable price. That's what it's all about.

I still have some of the OLD stuff which I value, like C99 and the Bros. Grimm In/Out Mix. I bet I could sell the latter for $20/bean if I wanted to. Need to plant some. I've got to admit, the Bros were one arrogant bunch of folks but they were true breeders unlike the huge bunch of pollen chuckers you find today.

The original C99 had a bubble gum taste, sativa high, indica short flowering response. Word is that the evolution (cubing) was started from a seed found in some Dam bag weed by Sly, a Jack Herer.
 

Uncle Ben

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Pulled the last 2 pots out of the ground and had to yank hard, they were really dug in. My plan worked. I had some very heavy and extensive roots that had grown out of the drain holes into native soil with very extensive white roots underneath. The pots were originally sunk about 2" deep in shallow holes I made with a shovel. As opposed to working amendments in, this technique is the easiest and most effective means for outdoor growing.

UB
 

Izoc666

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Pulled the last 2 pots out of the ground and had to yank hard, they were really dug in. My plan worked. I had some very heavy and extensive roots that had grown out of the drain holes into native soil with very extensive white roots underneath. The pots were originally sunk about 2" deep in shallow holes I made with a shovel. As opposed to working amendments in, this technique is the easiest and most effective means for outdoor growing.

UB
excellent Tio Ben ! what kind of pot that you used for in ground, RootMaker ? or just regular pot ?

Rooting system is very important key for any plants for maxium health and yield as well !

happy gardening.
 
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