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canndo

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You mention FOX polls, so here you go.

"The Fox News poll released today continues the trend of skewed polls that over-sample Democratic voters to produce results favorable to the president. The poll reports President Obama leading over Mitt Romney by a margin of 48 percent to 43 percent. But this is based on a sample that includes eight percent more Democrats than it does Republicans for an electorate that is made up of two percent more Republicans than Democrats."

NBC

"A recent NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll release last week showed an Obama lead of 50 percent to 45 percent using a sample that under-sampled Republicans by 12.6 percent and over-sampled independents by 8.8 percent. Unskewed, this poll's data indicated Romney leading 51 percent to 44 percent. The fourth picture in the slide show illustrates the skewed sample used in this poll."

CNN

"The infamous CNN/ORC poll showed Obama leading by six percent, 52 percent to 46 percent, almost the margin by which he won in 2008. But the survey sample was doubly-skewed, over-sampling Democrats 17.1 percent and under-sampling independents 25.0 percent. Unskewed, the data from this poll would reveal a 53 percent to 45 percent Romney lead. The last picture in the slide show illustrates the skewed sample used in this poll."

As I said, you are proposing that these polling companies are willing to sacrfice their veracity and their livelyhood. How did they get their dem vs repub stats?


It isn't all together impossible that this argument is a cover for voter intended voter suppression that we will see come november. "there, see? we told you your polls were wrong".
 

beenthere

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As I said, you are proposing that these polling companies are willing to sacrfice their veracity and their livelyhood. No I'm not, I'm just posting up the facts, are you insinuating the messenger is some how guilty? LOL How did they get their dem vs repub stats?
They are obligated to disclose the criteria they used!

It isn't all together impossible that this argument is a cover for voter intended voter suppression that we will see come november. "there, see? we told you your polls were wrong".
Canndo, they are obligated to show how they produced their results, you take it any way you like!
 

canndo

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Canndo, they are obligated to show how they produced their results, you take it any way you like!

It isn't the stats that are entertaining to me, it is what is being done with them by the right.


You don't explain why polling companies would purposefully skew their data when the only thing they sell is accuracy. I thought you blieved in business because there is a purity in it - no business would do something that would cause customers to reject them, right?
 

beenthere

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It isn't the stats that are entertaining to me, it is what is being done with them by the right.

You don't explain why polling companies would purposefully skew their data when the only thing they sell is accuracy. I thought you blieved in business because there is a purity in it - no business would do something that would cause customers to reject them, right?
And here we go with the strawman, why would it be me that would have to explain why polling companies skew they're polls, that would be conjecture on my part. Wouldn't you agree that is up to the pollsters??? I posted some links that indicates the pollsters are over sampling democrats and under sampling republicans, instead of debating the issue, you're trying to to put the onus on me! Sorry bro, not gunna bite.

See, you are full of strawmen canndo, the fact I believe in free enterprise in no way concludes that I believe all businesses are honest!

Lets see you truely debate canddo, one issue at a time.
And if it's any consolation, abandonconflict has your back! LOL
 

canndo

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See, you are full of strawmen canndo, the fact I believe in free enterprise in no way concludes that I believe all businesses are honest!
In this case the presumption is that ALL polling companies are dishonest.

I will not go into the particulars of the sample because I am not interested in that portion of the discussion. We see trends that indicate that Obama is winning nationaly and in the swing states. I do not know the methodology but I know the numbers are rarely off by much - what this skewed polls thing is saying is that one can apply the same math and the same polling results across a number of different proceedures when in fact every polling organization has different ideological approaches and cannot all be lumped into the same system yet this is what is being proposed.
 

UncleBuck

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the polls are not skewed, if they oversample one population they account for that and adjust. they also make adjustments for the fact that they are only ringing landlines too, but we don't hear shit about that from herr clayton.
 

canndo

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the polls are not skewed, if they oversample one population they account for that and adjust. they also make adjustments for the fact that they are only ringing landlines too, but we don't hear shit about that from herr clayton.

Good point.
 

UncleBuck

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Good point.
not only are polls adjusted for factors like i mentioned (as well as other factors), the polls are given weight against their hstorical performance, other poll results, state fundamentals, and a variety of other criteria.

it's called being a statistician.

i dare clayton to tell nate at 538 that his analysis is "skewed". clayton is just a crybaby dumbass who is getting desperate with only 40 days to go until he is crying in his corn flakes that the white guy didn't win.
 

Fungus Gnat

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the polls are not skewed, if they oversample one population they account for that and adjust. they also make adjustments for the fact that they are only ringing landlines too, but we don't hear shit about that from herr clayton.
The ones that include cellphones have Obama up more in the polls.
 
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