kelly4
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He's a Conservative Republican...or so I've been told. LOL!
RIU: Liberal Primary
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NLXSK1
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Mr Neutron
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I think you are confusing libertarian with anarchism.
Why do you insist on such a narrow, one dimensional view?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal
Liberalism, a political ideology
- Classical liberalism, a political ideology that advocates free markets, limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and individual liberties including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and others
- Conservative liberalism, a variant of liberalism, combining liberal values and policies with conservative stances, or, more simply, representing the right-wing of the liberal movement
- Economic liberalism, the ideological belief in organizing the economy on individualist lines, such that the greatest possible number of economic decisions are made by private individuals and not by collective institutions
- Social liberalism, the belief that liberalism should include social justice and that the legitimate role of the state includes addressing issues such as unemployment, health care, education, and the expansion of civil rights
I don't know who wrote this but there are some things I agree with and there are some things that I do not. It does not sound like it was written by someone who is objective, however.
Mr Neutron
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Probably not and I never claimed to be.
canndo
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Left or right is far more than one dimetional.
I do not confuse libertarianism with anarchism. Libertarianism has the effect of being reactive rather than proactive. Libertarianism holds that there are no rights other than those garnered from goverment (even though it says differently). Liberals hold that individuals are to be offered a level playing field not only against government but against capitalism. Libertarians believe in unfettered capitalism, liberals do not.
Mr Neutron
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LEFT----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------RIGHT
looks pretty one dimensional to me
[video=youtube_share;8OVr3EfB_z8]http://youtu.be/8OVr3EfB_z8[/video]
sorry, try again
Mr Neutron
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abandonconflict
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I agree with libertarian socialism as a political ideology. It is the only one that matches my views completely. I do not believe in nationalized resources, though It seems to me that the op thinks I am for big government.
The problem in my view is that in American vernacular, libertarian has come to signify-above all-a distaste for all forms of collectivism. I tend to describe libertarianism as anarchistic, but include aristocracy and plutocracy as power consolidators. A consistent anarchist should oppose these.
I feel that collectivism of lower classes is the most effective counter to collectivism of aristocracy (not government intervention). I believe that workers should collectively own (through tradable stock) the means of production that they operate and democratically administer them. I oppose private ownership of finite natural resources such as fresh water, oil and rare earths. I also oppose patent laws. These are the only objections I have of free market doctrine.
However, I see that my political views constitute an unachievable goal as it is simply another corruptible utopia. Aren't they all? I feel that in any system, the richest citizens will have the greatest power to corrupt, followed closely by the state. Therefore I consider New Deal economics to be a superior model to our current system and advocate thusly. All ideologies start, pivot and end based on economic policy.
The problem in my view is that in American vernacular, libertarian has come to signify-above all-a distaste for all forms of collectivism. I tend to describe libertarianism as anarchistic, but include aristocracy and plutocracy as power consolidators. A consistent anarchist should oppose these.
I feel that collectivism of lower classes is the most effective counter to collectivism of aristocracy (not government intervention). I believe that workers should collectively own (through tradable stock) the means of production that they operate and democratically administer them. I oppose private ownership of finite natural resources such as fresh water, oil and rare earths. I also oppose patent laws. These are the only objections I have of free market doctrine.
However, I see that my political views constitute an unachievable goal as it is simply another corruptible utopia. Aren't they all? I feel that in any system, the richest citizens will have the greatest power to corrupt, followed closely by the state. Therefore I consider New Deal economics to be a superior model to our current system and advocate thusly. All ideologies start, pivot and end based on economic policy.
zambonic
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Mr Neutron
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I'm so disappointed. My hopes for a good debate have been dashed... DASHED, I tell you.
I'll bet you can't wait till your wife gets home from work to share the fantastic news! LMAO
UncleBuck
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my condolences on your "boring" wife.
Harrekin
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You'd win cheeks and tongue down (as in, you're retarded
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Harrekin
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I'm just trolling you cos everything you post is cock-dribble, it's fun... work is monumentally less fun.
Ernst
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See how you love me already?
I'll give you one more reply to make you happy.
btw YOUR DARK SIDE SMELLS WHEN YOU FART.
Harrekin
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Your Momma makes me happy, you're just entertainining to mess with.See how you love me already?
I'll give you one more reply to make you happy.
Keep hitting that bong and wondering why no one else understands where you're coming from
RyanTheRhino
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yea I see no liberals in that list.
thehole
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I think you should do a poll where a contestant/candidate must come to the thread and explain their beliefs and give a clear idea of where they stand on important issues. I'm not going to go through each person's profile and past comments on other threads to get an idea of who they are.
Until someone can start a poll/thread like that I'll just vote for myself, the angry armed liberal I am.
Until someone can start a poll/thread like that I'll just vote for myself, the angry armed liberal I am.
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