RIU: Liberal Primary

canndo said:

http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html


So are you further to the left than I?

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canndo said:

If that is the case, and I said that you were a libertarian then I was correct. The Classic liberal does not believe in no government or necessarily less "obtrusive government". There is a seperate and distinct word for your ideology, and so there is for liberal. You are not a liberal and attaching a modifyer to it such as "classic" does not change the basic meaning.

But we can still play with a different set of words - namely left or right.


"As long as the definition of words is ambiguous and the misuse of words is accepted, there can be no debate" - we agree and as such, once cannot ambiguously claim that one set of words is "the same as far as you are concerned" with another word then missuse of words is accepted.

Liberal Liberals are people who believe that people should be as free as possible with as little government intervention as possible. They are opposite to conservatives who believe the status quo and stick to old traditions and policies. Liberals are advocates of changes in policies that are meant for the betterment of people. At one point of time, liberals stood for personal liberty more than anything else. Liberalism in politics means standing for the rights and freedom of the individual. Liberals are believed to be standing to the left of the centrist position. If you are a liberal, you can be criticized for being socialistic in leanings.

Libertarian Libertarian is a political ideology that believes in Live and let live. These people want very little intervention from the state in the affairs of the citizens; so much so that, at times, they are referred to as supporters of anarchism. The word is derived from liberty, and a libertarian is an individual who believes in liberty. Personal freedom is what libertarians believe in though they also believe in social responsibility. A libertarian is dead against any governmental interference in personal or business decisions of citizens. This in turns translates into smaller governments, taxes, and bureaucracy while at the same time signifying greater personal freedom.

Read more: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-liberal-and-vs-libertarian/#ixzz27b16gmGN​

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beenthere said:

Dude, if you have to reference an internet website to see who you are, you obviously are trying to figure out where society wants you to fit in!

Labels are for sheeple.

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canndo said:

You're right Beenthere, we don't need no stinking labels when we can just intuit things, we can just declare and have it be, we can magic things into existence.

So diabetics shouldn't measure their illness, folks should never ever take IQ tests or personality inventories because those things are just for sheeple.

I dare say that your definition of liberal vs libertarian would be of some service here. How about it? just for us sheeple mind you.

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beenthere said:

What purpose does it serve for others to define what you stand for????
Will you change your voting habits????

Sure the little chart you have is fun, but does it really matter???

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canndo said:

I don't believe I asked you what I stand for, I asked you what the definition of liberal vs libertarian was.

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beenthere said:

I believe I already made it perfectly clear, I'm not interested in your label fun.

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Mr Neutron said:

[video=youtube_share;V2f-MZ2HRHQ]http://youtu.be/V2f-MZ2HRHQ[/video]

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canndo said:

If that is the case, and I said that you were a libertarian then I was correct. The Classic liberal does not believe in no government or necessarily less "obtrusive government". There is a seperate and distinct word for your ideology, and so there is for liberal. You are not a liberal and attaching a modifyer to it such as "classic" does not change the basic meaning.

But we can still play with a different set of words - namely left or right.


"As long as the definition of words is ambiguous and the misuse of words is accepted, there can be no debate" - we agree and as such, once cannot ambiguously claim that one set of words is "the same as far as you are concerned" with another word then missuse of words is accepted.

Liberal Liberals are people who believe that people should be as free as possible with as little government intervention as possible. They are opposite to conservatives who believe the status quo and stick to old traditions and policies. Liberals are advocates of changes in policies that are meant for the betterment of people. At one point of time, liberals stood for personal liberty more than anything else. Liberalism in politics means standing for the rights and freedom of the individual. Liberals are believed to be standing to the left of the centrist position. If you are a liberal, you can be criticized for being socialistic in leanings.

Libertarian Libertarian is a political ideology that believes in Live and let live. These people want very little intervention from the state in the affairs of the citizens; so much so that, at times, they are referred to as supporters of anarchism. The word is derived from liberty, and a libertarian is an individual who believes in liberty. Personal freedom is what libertarians believe in though they also believe in social responsibility. A libertarian is dead against any governmental interference in personal or business decisions of citizens. This in turns translates into smaller governments, taxes, and bureaucracy while at the same time signifying greater personal freedom.

Read more: http://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-liberal-and-vs-libertarian/#ixzz27b16gmGN​

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Mr Neutron said:

Was this addressed to me?

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canndo said:

Well I think so.

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canndo said:

If that is the case

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Mr Neutron said:

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about. If you are not clear in your communication, why bother?
Said post was several after mine and there was no "quote" to signify who you were addressing.
I will reply in my next post.

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ginjawarrior said:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
"The term classical liberalism was applied in retrospect to distinguish earlier 19th-century liberalism from the newer social liberalism.[SUP][10][/SUP]Libertarianism has been used in modern times as a substitute for the phrase "neo-classical liberalism", leading to some confusion. The identification of libertarianism with neo-classical liberalism primarily occurs in the United States,[SUP][11][/SUP] where someconservatives and right-libertarians use the term classical liberalism to describe their belief in the primacy of economic freedom and minimal government.[SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14]"

Most of classical liberalism Section in wiki speaks of the uk and I don't think that's what your talking about. So was trying to find out the party and prleriod your version of classical liberalism comes from[/SUP]

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kelly4 said:

Oh, by the way.....I voted Ron Paul, bitchez...

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