Retarded plants..

Idkwtf is going on! I have treated these abnormal plants just like my other normal plants but from day 1 these two have been bozos. Skywalker seeds. Seedbank unknown. First isdue was they took a lot of babying to pop. Once they germinated (took a week) They were placed in soil where they had to be watered so that they didn't dry out until they sprouted cytos which took another nearly 2 weeks. Now,a month later...they're weird. Growth is slow,paytern of growth is stupid. One plant looks like 2 in one pot and the other ..looks like 1/2 a plant. Roots growing like crazy. Transplanted yesterday from solo cups and the bigger of the two doubled in size overnight. The other is just growing dumb,long serrateds and noylthing else. Someone please explain this sorcery? Roots growing but plant is not? + supe shady grow pattern. Anyone experience this? 8" pots. AN micro grow,bloom. 2ml/L. Watering needs approx 1L a week. Water 6.5. Temp 70-74. Humidity 75. Fox farm ocean forest,ancient earth,clay pebbles and black gold organic. 1 part each soil mixed to ratio of half pots volume clay pebbles.

keep over feeding them if you like those results. they hardly need feeding more than your soil at this stage

When plants in veg twist their fans such as these its called

leaf phyllotaxy (not the leaf arrangement but the twisting)

a breeders thing and poor breeding it is too

I suggest it is caused by the breeder using 'serious' chems to either alter or fem the original mom

perhaps several generations back ..?

Gibberleric acid was popular back then

2 choices exist to continue or not

either way getting good seeds from a good source prevents this

good luck

chemphlegm said:

keep over feeding them if you like those results. they hardly need feeding more than your soil at this stage

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Is that what's causing the weirdness?

vostok said:

When plants in veg twist their fans such as these its called

leaf phyllotaxy (not the leaf arrangement but the twisting)

a breeders thing and poor breeding it is too

I suggest it is caused by the breeder using 'serious' chems to either alter or fem the original mom

perhaps several generations back ..?

Gibberleric acid was popular back then

2 choices exist to continue or not

either way getting good seeds from a good source prevents this

good luck

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Thank you for that. I feared it was funny genetics. I don't need herms and bad genetics are known for it. I've had solid genetics that I stressed to death unintentionally and they never hermed but had questionable unknown origin seeds that I babied and ...nanners galore. No money or time to waste on goofy plants so I'll probably toss them. Only way I'd keep em is if you think they'd have less of a shot at herming if I trained early and chopped as soon as possible. Thoughts?

TEC09 said:

Is that what's causing the weirdness?

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yes

got nothing to do with "herming", forget about herming til you see balls on a girlie mmmkkk

stop training till you master growing maybe, and dont chop until trichomes are ripe.
I've never seen this expression until over fed like yours are. If you said you werent feeding them yet we could consider
other factors. stop the AN at once, try water mate, till she asks for food

Retarded plants only come from retarded growers...blaming genetics is a classic cop-out. These are not mutants and because mj plants do not choose sex until sexually mature they cannot be hermied...not yet anyway.
If you are growing in organic soil there is no need to ph the water. Ever...unless you grow in coco or some other soiless medium don't even worry about ph. The soil itself is ph balanced; adjusting the water does nothing. Plus they probably don't need nutrients yet as the soil alone should be plenty for them until they get a whole lot bigger; just give them water preferably without chloramine or fluoride in it. Then the soil can do its job. The larger plant looks like it was topped or possibly split early in life but it's fine otherwise. The smaller one is twisted from too much N. It's not quite nute burn but it is a sign of N toxicity; either way plain old water oughta fix it.

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Richard Drysift said:

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1) mj plants do not choose sex until sexually mature they cannot be hermied...not yet anyway.

2) The smaller one is twisted from too much N. .

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1)the sex of a marijuana plant can be determined long before it grows into maturity, the chromosomes in the seed are a dead giveaway.

2) Yup

I have seeds from a green crack that hermied .there super strong popped out the dirt immediately .I was convinced they just grow more Hermie plants .I'm going to grow them out and see for my self.maybe most Hermie plants are caused only by stress.some are just more more prone to doing this over the light schedules or ppm level .if I'm wasting my time someone let me know lol .I know the best fem seeds are from two different mothers.still harass smoke and I got a orange creamsicle male also a high yeilding sativa IMA hit them with if they don't Hermie try to get vigourus f1 seeds.don't ask why lol just doing this for fun and learning .also free seeds to play with .I'll know when flower starts if there true Hermie's it would start out with pistals and pollen sacks

Dutch master Reverse makes a product called Reverse that will stop sexual confusion with one application saving the
genetics and its down lines if they're important to you.

Richard Drysift said:

Retarded plants only come from retarded growers...blaming genetics is a classic cop-out. These are not mutants and because mj plants do not choose sex until sexually mature they cannot be hermied...not yet anyway.
If you are growing in organic soil there is no need to ph the water. Ever...unless you grow in coco or some other soiless medium don't even worry about ph. The soil itself is ph balanced; adjusting the water does nothing. Plus they probably don't need nutrients yet as the soil alone should be plenty for them until they get a whole lot bigger; just give them water preferably without chloramine or fluoride in it. Then the soil can do its job. The larger plant looks like it was topped or possibly split early in life but it's fine otherwise. The smaller one is twisted from too much N. It's not quite nute burn but it is a sign of N toxicity; either way plain old water oughta fix it.

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Are you saying that there are no mutant fucked up plants from the start? I've had a few grows where one or two out of 6 (my setup has 6 site tray's) had issues with being runts and not amounting to anything. Not saying he doesn't have issues re nutes but is it not possible to have a runt?

I've grown retarded genetics before fer sure

Budley Doright said:

Are you saying that there are no mutant fucked up plants from the start? I've had a few grows where one or two out of 6 (my setup has 6 site tray's) had issues with being runts and not amounting to anything. Not saying he doesn't have issues re nutes but is it not possible to have a runt?

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I think what he is getting at is that the first sign of a problem people tend to automatically blame it on genetics rather than the grower accepting they fucked up.

If 1 out of 100 of your pants show some weird shit then that is more likely to be some kind of issue leaning toward being out of your control. I'd first assume it was down to the seed somehow taking damage between transport to germination before blaming genetics. If you regularly see this kind of thing like 1 in every 10 or more then I'd start to question growing practice > setup > breeder.

It's not in a breeders interests to sell you bad genetics. I do wonder how many breeders got a poor rep entirely down to bad growers blaming them. Naturally some breeders/seller will be bad.

Flowki said:

I think what he is getting at is that the first sign of a problem people tend to automatically blame it on genetics rather than the grower accepting they fucked up.

If 1 out of 100 of your pants show some weird shit then that is more likely to be some kind of issue leaning toward being out of your control. I'd first assume it was down to the seed somehow taking damage between transport to germination before blaming genetics. If you regularly see this kind of thing like 1 in every 10 or more then I'd start to question growing practice > setup > breeder.

It's not in a breeders interests to sell you bad genetics. I do wonder how many breeders got a poor rep entirely down to bad growers blaming them. Naturally some breeders/seller will be bad.

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It's really not uncommon for me to get one mutant out of a pack of 5-6 but it's not the rule. All my girls are serviced by the same res which poses other issues lol.

it should grow out of it

Special plants need love too.

judging from op's thread title(uncalled for) i'd say they follows riu's politics section.

Richard Drysift said:

Retarded plants only come from retarded growers...blaming genetics is a classic cop-out. These are not mutants and because mj plants do not choose sex until sexually mature they cannot be hermied...not yet anyway.
If you are growing in organic soil there is no need to ph the water. Ever...unless you grow in coco or some other soiless medium don't even worry about ph. The soil itself is ph balanced; adjusting the water does nothing. Plus they probably don't need nutrients yet as the soil alone should be plenty for them until they get a whole lot bigger; just give them water preferably without chloramine or fluoride in it. Then the soil can do its job. The larger plant looks like it was topped or possibly split early in life but it's fine otherwise. The smaller one is twisted from too much N. It's not quite nute burn but it is a sign of N toxicity; either way plain old water oughta fix it.

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Much bigger now and I took this advice and stopped adding nutes and still very weird growth but I am sticking with them I will continue to treat them the same as my other plants until harvest *fingers crossed* we will see if the bud quality or yield is affected. I think I bought bad seeds or old seeds. Won't be buying from that individual again. Never had these issues until I bought these seeds.

I ordered seeds from Nirvana (Papaya) and one was so stutted the whole grow, so much in fact that I kept it vegging while the other 3 plants went to flower....So I kept the little girl going in veg for the next grow with her new grow mates...( the last grow mates must have been assholes)...so she was probably about 7 inches after 2 months!!! But once I put her in with the new seedling BOOM...she started growing like crazy!!! It was sort of a challenge to keep her going...Well this is her today week 14 of veg and she still has about 3-4 weeks to go...