Organicgrow42
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Forgot to mention. Once they go to 5's they will finish and then that will be what I use for my ROLS, in case that wasn't obvious 
Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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DonBrennon
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I'm by far an expert and I'm sure someone more organically experienced will help out, but I feel that you are asking a lot of a soil mix to sustain a plant for 2.5 - 4 months in 5 gal of soil, without topdressing or some nutritional supplement
Organicgrow42
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I personally do, do top dressings and some compost tea. Just know I have read people that don't bother with it or only use popcorn sprouts as an example.
The example just get overwhelmimg. You start to question if your method is right.
What is right?
Lol just a confused and shockingly experienced grower. Been doing this for years and I feel I'm loosing a handle on what I know. Things that always worked are just not now so figured I'd start fresh and relearn some stuff along the way.
Couldn't tell you why I added all 20 ingredients. Just followed a recipe a long time ago and made some additions and subtractions.
Oh and I've read a lot of this thread. There are over 7000 messages btw. If anyone has any pages they have saved for reference I'd truly appreciate it.
Now I'm just a stoned, confused cannabis grower lol I'll stop ranting.
The example just get overwhelmimg. You start to question if your method is right.
What is right?
Lol just a confused and shockingly experienced grower. Been doing this for years and I feel I'm loosing a handle on what I know. Things that always worked are just not now so figured I'd start fresh and relearn some stuff along the way.
Couldn't tell you why I added all 20 ingredients. Just followed a recipe a long time ago and made some additions and subtractions.
Oh and I've read a lot of this thread. There are over 7000 messages btw. If anyone has any pages they have saved for reference I'd truly appreciate it.
Now I'm just a stoned, confused cannabis grower lol I'll stop ranting.
DonBrennon
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I totally understand where you're coming from, so much information and some of it conflicting...............but, (and I'm sure you've already read this) 5 gal is pretty much considered to be the very minimum in rols. If you can find a way to increase the pot size without it affecting your height restrictions, I think you'd find the whole thing a lot more forgiving and rewarding.I personally do, do top dressings and some compost tea. Just know I have read people that don't bother with it or only use popcorn sprouts as an example.
The example just get overwhelmimg. You start to question if your method is right.
What is right?
Lol just a confused and shockingly experienced grower. Been doing this for years and I feel I'm loosing a handle on what I know. Things that always worked are just not now so figured I'd start fresh and relearn some stuff along the way.
Couldn't tell you why I added all 20 ingredients. Just followed a recipe a long time ago and made some additions and subtractions.
Oh and I've read a lot of this thread. There are over 7000 messages btw. If anyone has any pages they have saved for reference I'd truly appreciate it.
Now I'm just a stoned, confused cannabis grower lol I'll stop ranting.
Oh.........and I'm not dissing on 5 gals, I'm gonna do a run in them soon, but I will be using topdress & tea's to get them through and the plants will be short flowering pure indica's which I'm not growing for yield, more pheno hunting and breeding/seed production.
hahaha.....I'm stoned too.......enjoy............oh, and you can't beat a good rant now and then, blows a few cobwebs off pmsl
elkamino
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Page 1 of this thread, posts by OP Headtreep and Cann. Lots of answers about natural soil with a focus on keepin it simple/local/natural.
If you want a perfect water only mix:Forgot to mention. Once they go to 5's they will finish and then that will be what I use for my ROLS, in case that wasn't obvious
Mix soil according to cootz recipe posted by Cann or someone else.
Top dress at beginning of flower with 2 inch of worm compost and 25% of the reammend amount for your soil size minus alfalfa. I use kelp, crab, neem, greensand, and half of 25% of the amount of gypsum. This is required in my soils, but I veg from seed in final container.
Top dress half way through flower with 2 inch of worm compost. You can add 25% of kelp, crab, and half gypsum if you want but I don't find I need to in larger pots. I run 35 gallons. You will need to in the 5 gallon.
At the end of flower mix half the amount of nutrients you used to build the soil with some worm compost and let it break down or plant away. This is the simplest it can get. Unless you use FPE.
littlejacob
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Bonjour
Ok so you say 5gl is the minimum for rols (sorry for the second L)
But you run 35gl too...!?!
The thing with rols is you can't transplant in bigger pot...you need to start in final one!...and large pot can't go in my small vegg room...so I will have a "half rols" vegg in new soil and bloom in reamended one...!
So I guess 7/8gl will be good
CU
Ok so you say 5gl is the minimum for rols (sorry for the second L)
But you run 35gl too...!?!
The thing with rols is you can't transplant in bigger pot...you need to start in final one!...and large pot can't go in my small vegg room...so I will have a "half rols" vegg in new soil and bloom in reamended one...!
So I guess 7/8gl will be good
CU
DonBrennon
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It's said that it is better to start in final pots, but it's totally impracticle for most people's circumstances. I always start seeds in tiny pots and cuttings in root riot cubes, then transplant up to about 1.5 liters for 2-3 weeks, then into final pots. You do get a little transplant shock, but that can be minimised with careful transplanting and not allowing the plant to become root bound
littlejacob
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Bonjour
I always have nice looking plants the day after transplant...never saw fluffy plants after repot...I am very gentle with her...no roots stressed or breaked!
But sometimes you are too "busy"(test the new crop is what I call "busy"...lol!)and you let your timer set to 12/12...I hate myself...and the plants who were ssupposed to vegg...start to bloom so yesterday I was pissed...so back to 18/6 and cross fingers...we will see how long it will take to reverse it...too long but it is
my fault!(I just go to see her once a week in vegg...and as I said I have been veeeery busy those days...lol!)
Thank you @DonBrennon ...I will do like this!
Vegg: soil bag plus coco with tricho 20% and ewc 20%...and bloom in rols and I topdress with 50% of the previous amendments mix with fresh ewc and soil + coco...but how much?
And how large is the piece of roots you extract from the soil...is it bigger than the first pot size?
CU
I always have nice looking plants the day after transplant...never saw fluffy plants after repot...I am very gentle with her...no roots stressed or breaked!
But sometimes you are too "busy"(test the new crop is what I call "busy"...lol!)and you let your timer set to 12/12...I hate myself...and the plants who were ssupposed to vegg...start to bloom so yesterday I was pissed...so back to 18/6 and cross fingers...we will see how long it will take to reverse it...too long but it is
my fault!(I just go to see her once a week in vegg...and as I said I have been veeeery busy those days...lol!)
Thank you @DonBrennon ...I will do like this!
Vegg: soil bag plus coco with tricho 20% and ewc 20%...and bloom in rols and I topdress with 50% of the previous amendments mix with fresh ewc and soil + coco...but how much?
And how large is the piece of roots you extract from the soil...is it bigger than the first pot size?
CU
DonBrennon
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I'm growing in 20gal fabric pots and when I've busted the soil up to re-amend, I've found that I'll get fine roots all the way to the full extent of the container, but the thicker roots stop at around 2-3" in from the sides. Because of the extra space for roots and air-pruning, you don't get the circling of roots you would in a smaller plastic container and I've found I don't get a dense/concentrated root ball as such. And because I have a thick layer of mulch, there are roots right up to the surface of the soil, I'm always really gentle when pulling the mulch back for a look because of this.(don't wanna damage them roots lol)
Are you talking about topdressing No Till to re-amend?
I'm at the end of a run in ROLS now and will be going no till for the first time, so I'm no expert on this, but this is what I'm doing.
I've cut the old plants at the base, I plan to pull the mulch back, cut/dig a hole next to the old stem just a little bigger than the pots I've got the next plants growing in, line that hole with a mix of used soil/mycos/wormcasts, pop the new plant in and pull the mulch back over.
After a week or so of acclimatizing the their new environment, I'll topdress with a wormcast/amendment mix.
I guessed roughly how much wormcasts I'd need for a 1-2" topdress, mixed in amendments at half original quantities, as you're doing, I also mixed about 5L of cannabis trim and a few handfulls of oatmeal, wet it with some lacto serum and it's now been cooking for 4 weeks, it got real warm the first week.
Blunted 4 lyfe
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I just finished my first run on SS now I started my 2nd run and looking to re-amend the soil from my 1st run I've read so much that now I'm more conflicted than before. I thought that I had it down pack at first, just re-amend with half of my original ingredients with just 1 more ingredient in that mix (the roots of my 1st run, after I brew a tea with those roots for my current grow, read it was good for veg). My first batch of SS was small (10 gallons) am using grow bags ...Walmart... 4 plants ... Same as the first. 25% Roots Organic soil, 75% SS layered, SS on bottom and Roots on top I since read that layering is bs, but what do I know. I've picked up Neem Seed Meal, kelp meal and Crab shell in the mean time I was planning to do teas with them, but I'm wondering if I should re-amend with it? I did use molasses and fish fertilizer and top dressed with SS at beginning of flower on my 1st run, I also just finished building a worm bin out of totes, figured I have 2-3 months before harvesting some ewc.
What really is the proper way to re-amend used soil? Thanks.
B4L
What really is the proper way to re-amend used soil? Thanks.
B4L
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Michigan Med Creamery
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Thanks maman! Braindead sometimes..., rols... actually first time seeing it written like that from this title. Is there a difference in rols and composting?
Michigan Med Creamery
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I agree with the change in how u have to address the new style grow or at least change some things up... and obvious we on right track, im freshenin my knowledge on the subject as well... but to the fact of things are lil different now is commercial pressure to buy buy buy to sustain... sustain what... a plant genetic that is far from landrace... or even stabilized enuff to not hermie on the slightest stress factor... moxie... cali connect they so high priced and dropping 1 outta 25 herms... wtf is that... and they charge 105 for five beans lmao... the soil is thee most important thing imho... but good genetics can go a long way... imho have a good oneI personally do, do top dressings and some compost tea. Just know I have read people that don't bother with it or only use popcorn sprouts as an example.
The example just get overwhelmimg. You start to question if your method is right.
What is right?
Lol just a confused and shockingly experienced grower. Been doing this for years and I feel I'm loosing a handle on what I know. Things that always worked are just not now so figured I'd start fresh and relearn some stuff along the way.
Couldn't tell you why I added all 20 ingredients. Just followed a recipe a long time ago and made some additions and subtractions.
Oh and I've read a lot of this thread. There are over 7000 messages btw. If anyone has any pages they have saved for reference I'd truly appreciate it.
Now I'm just a stoned, confused cannabis grower lol I'll stop ranting.
Michigan Med Creamery
Member
I also wanted to mention... chicken dung will break down pretty fast and gets hot real quik.. not as fast as bat guano of course... but if doin an outdoor compost i like to "seed" my mix with my backyard chickens dung, i use cement slab with hardware cloth box on top about 5×5×5, 3 total boxes, i cook for a whole season before use... rotate box to box as breakdown occurs... i use everything in my mix besides high protein and bones... unless bones grinded, which never have...kitchen scraps... yard waste, i know the sources for everything that goes in... after soil is ready i still cook it in pizza brick oven outdoors to further guarentee no germination or molds/mildews or any other negative factor is double dealt with... i wet my mix in summer often to help with break down... if anyone wants specifics on setup or other technical tips or general bs hit me up pm.
Can anyone shed some light on this for me, I have some aloe vera leaf powder that i got from mountain rose herbs. I was wondering if anyone knew or could make a educated guess if i could use this the sameway you would fresh aloe or the 200x powder? If so at what rate etc would be a major help for me thanks
DonBrennon
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I know this has nothing to do with rols, but this thread seems to be the heart of our community, so it seemed the best place to ask. I've got a couple of projects going on and I'm thinking of starting a journal, does anybody in here read the journals? or keep one?
Or would I just be better off starting a thread, "Brennons bonkers indoor organic gardens", in the organics forum?
I've never really bothered with the journals because it was specifically the organics and rols forum/thread which lead me to RIU and have never felt the need to go anywhere else.
It'll be as much for my benefit, keeping record of things and to get helpful input, as anything else. I don't really want to get involved in all the trolls I've seen in the other forums. You seem to find a more civilized gardener in the organics forums I've noticed (Those led forums are fucking brutal, they all love a good arguement pmsl)
Or would I just be better off starting a thread, "Brennons bonkers indoor organic gardens", in the organics forum?
I've never really bothered with the journals because it was specifically the organics and rols forum/thread which lead me to RIU and have never felt the need to go anywhere else.
It'll be as much for my benefit, keeping record of things and to get helpful input, as anything else. I don't really want to get involved in all the trolls I've seen in the other forums. You seem to find a more civilized gardener in the organics forums I've noticed (Those led forums are fucking brutal, they all love a good arguement pmsl)
ForRealz
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FWIW, I have, personally, not read any journals...not sure why...maybe I never really stumbled into that area, IDK...
I def like the title of your potential new thread, sounds pretty bada$$ !!! Id say, if you approach your new thread in the spirit of say this thread, then there will be enough cool peeps on there to help fend off trollz... Good luck, Id check it!
Also, the Bodhi thread is a pretty chill gathering of cool peeps!
DonBrennon
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Thanks Bro, appreciated..............the Bodhi thread is one of the few non-organic threads I've actually read a bit of and I agree, good bunch, I do like the look of their genetics as well, wanna try the SSDD, but I missed it last time it became available.