Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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st0wandgrow said:
Yep, just piled in the yard. I bought some chicken wire and enclosed the pile so that I didn't have leaves blowing all over. I mulched them with my lawn mower to break them down a bit and create more surface area. They are almost all carbon by the time they fall off the tree, so adding a source of N (I used alfalfa pellets from a feed store) will help speed up the decomposition. Then just wet it down and forget about it. The pile will heat up substantially, and will reduce big time. 12 months seems to be the minimum when adding a source of N. If you just pile them up and leave them it can take upwards of 3 years.
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3-5 years ive found best results with. I have a question for you guys, if you had to go into your local forest, and source your soil from there(i know its a cooky situ but work with me here) Where would you source it from and why?
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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VTMi'kmaq said:
3-5 years ive found best results with. I have a question for you guys, if you had to go into your local forest, and source your soil from there(i know its a cooky situ but work with me here) Where would you source it from and why?
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I would say you would want a mixture of pasture soil, and forest soil. For the forest... i'm going to an old river terrace I know of (was once a flood plain but now has developed forest grown in with mature trees and does not flood anymore for a long long long time). the soil there is unbelievably soft, black, gotta be rich with humus, micro life, fungi, ect. this could cover the fungal dominant soil. The older the trees, the better the soil i would say just because it is more developed.

I would think once might want a bacterial dom soil as well from a field or pasture or something... again probably the longer the field has been there, the better the soil will likely be I would think.

just curious... but how are you planning to ratio your recipe of soil with other things? would you use it as humus and medium and just add aeration? so 2:1? I've been trying to figure out the recipe in my mind lol.
 
VTMi'kmaq

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Your thought process is right along with mine................in my forest area stinging nettles thrive in my soil area. kinda funny how companion crops kinda hint at ya in the woods huh?
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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dude i have nettles out the wazoo! do you ever eat them? in the spring time, pinch off the tops of the plants before they get taller than a ft, so you just want the top two or 3 sets of leaves. simmer/blanch like you would spinach, add butter, garlic, and salt & pepper. the blanching takes away the stingers. I forage for all kinds of mushrooms and wild edibles throughout the whole year. it's like an extra garden for me lol, and i don't even have to do the work! just walk, harvest, and enjoy myself in the elements.
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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greasemonkeymann said:
i can totally tell you just gave them aloe spray.
mine look the same way, all shiny and happy.
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I hate to always promote the aloe foliar, but seriously, my plants just love it! I've been out of the powder for a while now and have been using fresh. I need to get more powder as there isn't much left of my aloe plant lol! In fact, I just put in new bulbs and cleaned the glass. I'm going to go aloe foliar again to help with the increase in light! :)

Peace!

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greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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Pattahabi said:
I hate to always promote the aloe foliar, but seriously, my plants just love it! I've been out of the powder for a while now and have been using fresh. I need to get more powder as there isn't much left of my aloe plant lol! In fact, I just put in new bulbs and cleaned the glass. I'm going to go aloe foliar again to help with the increase in light! :)

Peace!

P-
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like me always promoting my amended compost pile?
(:
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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saw two thripes in my veg tent today; smashed the buggers. so i busted out the new ahimsa neem oil and dr. b's peppermint soap and gave them all a good spray down. Everything in this tent is in a base mix 33%peat 33%pumice 33% EWC and Ancient Forest 1:1, with the rock dusts, and gypsum. that is it. I have fed them nothing but AACT (boogie brew) when i transplanted them, and coconut water.IMG_1126.jpeg
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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I have a question for you guys.... If i quarantine plants from another growers room that have the potentential to carry PM, treat them, and take new cuts off of them and put them in my soil and throw out the plants/soil he gave them to me in and just roll with the cuttings and new soil... i should be ok right? I have a whole separate veg room i can use to keep them quarantined in.

a friend of mine has gotten some powdery mildew in his room. The guy who was supplying him with the genetics also had it too, and they think that's where it came from.

they have some really killer genetics and he's going to toss them all after the weekend and start over. Querkle, GG#4, Vortex, just to name a few.

i kinda feel like there is no reason to throw everything in veg room out, as PM spores are everywhere, and if the environment is controlled, this shouldn't be much of an issue.

I've heard peroxide is good to use for PM. i usually have the 3% stuff on hand at the house here. is that ok to use?
 
drekoushranada

drekoushranada

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ShLUbY said:
I have a question for you guys.... If i quarantine plants from another growers room that have the potentential to carry PM, treat them, and take new cuts off of them and put them in my soil and throw out the plants/soil he gave them to me in and just roll with the cuttings and new soil... i should be ok right? I have a whole separate veg room i can use to keep them quarantined in.

a friend of mine has gotten some powdery mildew in his room. The guy who was supplying him with the genetics also had it too, and they think that's where it came from.

they have some really killer genetics and he's going to toss them all after the weekend and start over. Querkle, GG#4, Vortex, just to name a few.

i kinda feel like there is no reason to throw everything in veg room out, as PM spores are everywhere, and if the environment is controlled, this shouldn't be much of an issue.

I've heard peroxide is good to use for PM. i usually have the 3% stuff on hand at the house here. is that ok to use?
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Tell him send me a few before he does. Lol... JK. Make sure you are diligent with the treatment. I had a whole grow wiped out from white flies from a gifted clone. Live and learn.
 
Pattahabi

Pattahabi

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ShLUbY said:
I have a question for you guys.... If i quarantine plants from another growers room that have the potentential to carry PM, treat them, and take new cuts off of them and put them in my soil and throw out the plants/soil he gave them to me in and just roll with the cuttings and new soil... i should be ok right? I have a whole separate veg room i can use to keep them quarantined in.

a friend of mine has gotten some powdery mildew in his room. The guy who was supplying him with the genetics also had it too, and they think that's where it came from.

they have some really killer genetics and he's going to toss them all after the weekend and start over. Querkle, GG#4, Vortex, just to name a few.

i kinda feel like there is no reason to throw everything in veg room out, as PM spores are everywhere, and if the environment is controlled, this shouldn't be much of an issue.

I've heard peroxide is good to use for PM. i usually have the 3% stuff on hand at the house here. is that ok to use?
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Personally, I would not introduce those to my room, but I'll be interested to hear what others say.


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ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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drekoushranada said:
Tell him send me a few before he does. Lol... JK. Make sure you are diligent with the treatment. I had a whole grow wiped out from white flies from a gifted clone. Live and learn.
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yeah i had that happen with mites several years ago from a novice grower i helped get going. he just wanted to repay me with a couple plants. i was too naive at the time to quarantine them and treat them. he got the plants from someone, which had the mites, and then gave them to me! then tried to tell me it wasn't that big of a deal. needless to say, we don't see eye to eye on the growing scale lol
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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ShLUbY said:
I have a question for you guys.... If i quarantine plants from another growers room that have the potentential to carry PM, treat them, and take new cuts off of them and put them in my soil and throw out the plants/soil he gave them to me in and just roll with the cuttings and new soil... i should be ok right? I have a whole separate veg room i can use to keep them quarantined in.

a friend of mine has gotten some powdery mildew in his room. The guy who was supplying him with the genetics also had it too, and they think that's where it came from.

they have some really killer genetics and he's going to toss them all after the weekend and start over. Querkle, GG#4, Vortex, just to name a few.

i kinda feel like there is no reason to throw everything in veg room out, as PM spores are everywhere, and if the environment is controlled, this shouldn't be much of an issue.

I've heard peroxide is good to use for PM. i usually have the 3% stuff on hand at the house here. is that ok to use?
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Pattahabi said:
Personally, I would not introduce those to my room, but I'll be interested to hear what others say.


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I agree with P. I wouldn't risk it either. Once you have PM it seems to stick around. I've never dealt with it myself, but have heard some pretty bad stories about growers that have.
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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st0wandgrow said:
I agree with P. I wouldn't risk it either. Once you have PM it seems to stick around. I've never dealt with it myself, but have heard some pretty bad stories about growers that have.
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I actually had it a long time ago on some cheese, which the grower had it as well. but it did not stick around. in fact, i only saw it on one run, which was the original cut he gave me. after that, i didn't see again. I'm not saying this is going to be the case with this stuff though. i guess my brain just wants me to believe if i clean them, and clone them (clone ONLY new growth), i will be able to keep the genetics and not have to start from seed! im going to keep them at opposite ends of the house if i do this until that process is complete
 
ShLUbY

ShLUbY

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it's char-ging. i know, bad pun. this will be for my char challenge! they will be water only, one char and one no char, 20 gal fabric containers with the same soil recipe other than the char. Charged with alfalfa and kelp meal for 20 hrs or so, and now i have some boogie brew compost tea with BSM in there as well. gonna let it go until tomorrow.

So i was not smart and didn't put the alfalfa and kelp meal in the tea pouch... do you guys think it will be ok to just strain and leave the meal in with the char? will this affect my soil mix at all? i honestly can't remember how much i put in the bucket... couple tablespoons of each i'm guessing.

also can i do anything with the water that i charged the char in?char.jpeg
 
calliandra

calliandra

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ShLUbY said:
do you guys think it will be ok to just strain and leave the meal in with the char? will this affect my soil mix at all?
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I don't see how it could affect your soil negatively, if that's your concern - it's organic material after all ;)

Same goes for the water, if it's from something you're putting in the soil, why not use it to water other plants too while it's still fresh?

Just my outdoor perma-gardener common sense speaking there, it's usually simpler than we think haha!
Cheers :)
 
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