Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread

[GrowUrOwnDank]

Well shit I can make it simple.

If you do 1 part good soil or compost/1part vermiculite or perlite/1 part coco coir or peat moss.

First run or two water with microbe/compost teas completely, like every watering. After that I'm sure you're soil will have a fully suitable microbe colony to survive on water only as long as you keep it moist and alIve.

Correct me if I'm wrong any gurus out there.

My shit is only complete when I know all, so I will always be shitting.

Hahaha

GUESS WHAT!

I got some Amazon Bloom soil. I got MG Sphagnum Peat moss. And I got plenty of perlite that's clean!

I CAN DO THAT! Hell yeah! Maybe about 3-4 gallons worth which is fine by me. I like small.

Now what the fuck is microbe/compost tea? I only have Orange Peko and some green tea in the little packets you dip in hot water.

Thanks a million bro! We are getting somewhere.

P.S. I want to do live earthworms. And how do you set up the pot? Line bottom with newspaper? Thanks again man. Peace and love.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

As i stated in another post, most grow companies will not provide a ready to use mix of soil because there is not a large enough market for them to have a need to sell these types of mixes. they're dependent on you buying the bottles and using stuff up and and having to buy more. that being said, the beauty of the direction you are heading will make you less dependent on the grow store (or even not have to go at all!), and those big companies. not saying big companies are bad, but we all know what happens when billions of dollars are at stake, greed takes over (in most cases lol not all).

Recipe:

33% highest quality compost you can get your hands on, 33% drainage (pumice, rice hulls, lava rock, whatever you want to use), 33% sphagnum peat moss

amendments per cu. ft. of the above mix (cuft = 7.5 gallons)

1/2cup neem/karanja seed meal
1/2cup crab shell/meal
1/2cup kelp meal
1/2cup oyster shell flour
1/4cup alfalfa meal (optional)
3-4 cups of rock dust (using a variety of different dusts is good)

other optional amendments are
soft rock phosphate @ 1/2cup
gypsum @ 1/2cup
organic fish bone meal @ 1/2cup

mix all together and water in with a compost tea (earth worm castings + unsulfured molasses bubbled for 24-48 hrs) and keep it moist for 4-5 weeks before you plant into it.

this can be a no till recipe and is for many, or you can break each pot down after harvest and REUSE the soil by amending it with the same things you used to amend the first time, just at 1/4 or less of the strength, rewater with compost tea, and keep moist for a few weeks before planting into it.

I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. But that's too complicated. Like rocket science. Man I just want to set it and forget it. If it's too much, I'll just stick with hempy bucket and Lucas.

 

[nvhak49]

Ok another stupid organic question. I got my nutes mix from buildAsoil and I'm going to buy some straw mulch too but since you guys are keeping the living soil moist how do you know when to water again? I've been usually waiting till they get light by weight but since it's living soil drying it out will kill off the microbes and it defeats the purpose of having living soil. I have a blumat system I can use too I'm just not sure if that would work good in living soil or not but I thought I would try on my next cycle. Thanks in advance.

 

[nvhak49]

I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. But that's too complicated. Like rocket science. Man I just want to set it and forget it. If it's too much, I'll just stick with hempy bucket and Lucas.

Go to buildAsoil.com I'm new to this as well but that site is pretty awesome I just got my craft blend pre mix nutes yesterday and I already have it in 18 gallons of soil cooking for my next cycle mid October. But read what they have on that site and you can buy some pretty awesome all organic nutes and everything else that you need they even have worm bins you and buy but I just made mine out of plastic tubs.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

Ok another stupid organic question. I got my nutes mix from buildAsoil and I'm going to buy some straw mulch too but since you guys are keeping the living soil moist how do you know when to water again? I've been usually waiting till they get light by weight but since it's living soil drying it out will kill off the microbes and it defeats the purpose of having living soil. I have a blumat system I can use too I'm just not sure if that would work good in living soil or not but I thought I would try on my next cycle. Thanks in advance.

Holy crap! You mean you gotta worry about keeping the living soil alive too? OMG! I'm getting anxiety already. I usually let my stuff dry out anyway. Mad respect for you dudes that do this. Sounds like it takes commitment. Like the whole method is as fragile as a human baby. I'm not big on taking care of kids. lol

 

[hyroot]

Ok another stupid organic question. I got my nutes mix from buildAsoil and I'm going to buy some straw mulch too but since you guys are keeping the living soil moist how do you know when to water again? I've been usually waiting till they get light by weight but since it's living soil drying it out will kill off the microbes and it defeats the purpose of having living soil. I have a blumat system I can use too I'm just not sure if that would work good in living soil or not but I thought I would try on my next cycle. Thanks in advance.

Holy crap! You mean you gotta worry about keeping the living soil alive too? OMG! I'm getting anxiety already. I usually let my stuff dry out anyway. Mad respect for you dudes that do this. Sounds like it takes commitment. Like the whole method is as fragile as a human baby. I'm not big on taking care of kids. lol

Not really. Its actually a lot less work than you think. Just don't let the soil dry out. Use mulch. Whether it be a living mulch / companion crops, wood chips, barley straw, dried leaves etc.... Mulch will help the soil hold moisture longer. Keep the soil cooler on hot days. If the soil does dry out too much, water with a compost tea. Use larger pots that only have to be watered once a week or use blumats.

By weight is what I do. You get a feel for it. If you run blumats that's not an issue at all.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

I really believe one of you smart fellows should package all these parts and sell them as a kit. I would prefer to just buy all the ingredients together and mix it by your instructions. Like a cake in a box you just mix the ingredients and build it. Or, at least package the smaller amendments like 1/2 cup of this that and the other and give simple instructs on getting the main soil, perlite, moss. There is an opportunity in there somewhere. There are no local hi tech grow shops in my area. Just coop type stuff for farmers. Thanks for your time and info.

 

[ShLUbY]

I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. But that's too complicated. Like rocket science. Man I just want to set it and forget it. If it's too much, I'll just stick with hempy bucket and Lucas.

ok dude, before you go jumping to conclusions about the difficulty of this...

if you cant measure out 1/2 a cup of this, 1/2 a cup of that... but you could measure bottled nutes Ph... you have your view on this wrong.

all you do is make the soil and add water. its water only after that. does it get any easier? you make the soil, keep it moist, and let the plant grow itself. not complicated at all

 

[hyroot]

I really believe one of you smart fellows should package all these parts and sell them as a kit. I would prefer to just buy all the ingredients together and mix it by your instructions. Like a cake in a box you just mix the ingredients and build it. Or, at least package the smaller amendments like 1/2 cup of this that and the other and give simple instructs on getting the main soil, perlite, moss. There is an opportunity in there somewhere. There are no local hi tech grow shops in my area. Just coop type stuff for farmers. Thanks for your time and info.

Build a soil

Keep it simple organics

Mountain organics

Worm power

 

[AllDayToker]

GUESS WHAT!

I got some Amazon Bloom soil. I got MG Sphagnum Peat moss. And I got plenty of perlite that's clean!

I CAN DO THAT! Hell yeah! Maybe about 3-4 gallons worth which is fine by me. I like small.

Now what the fuck is microbe/compost tea? I only have Orange Peko and some green tea in the little packets you dip in hot water.

Thanks a million bro! We are getting somewhere.

P.S. I want to do live earthworms. And how do you set up the pot? Line bottom with newspaper? Thanks again man. Peace and love.

Microbe/compost teas are simply teas that help introduce more microorganisms to your ROLS.

For a microbe tea...

You simply get a source of microbes/microorganisms, like compost/castings/ect and add a source of food, like molasses, then add aeration.

24 to 48 hours you got a chuck full of different microbes to throw into your soil.

If you get a good enough colony all you have to do is keep that colony alive, add water, and you can grow as many runs as you want in that microbe rich soil. No need for teas or anything.

A farmer did this for years, only fed a compost/microbe/casting tea in his systems. After so many years his grounds were so packed full of microbes all he had to do was water every year, feeding was unneeded.

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

I'm gonna do this guys. Was checking out this site dude gave earlier.

http://buildasoil.com

Looking for just a package of the smaller amendments. Got soil, moss perlite already.

Thx alldaytoker for explaining tea.

 

[hyroot]

I'm gonna do this guys. Was checking out this site dude gave earlier.

http://buildasoil.com

Looking for just a package of the smaller amendments. Got soil, moss perlite already.

Thx alldaytoker for explaining tea.

Buy the cootz mix without minerals. Then buy minerals mix. It's cheaper that way then buying the entire nutrient mix and you get more too.

 

[Mohican]

Charcoal, ash, fish guts, kelp, worms, moldy leaves, banana peels, cardboard, grass clippings.

This should be a good start.

How is your native soil? Sandy, clay, rocks...?

 

[ShLUbY]

time to rid some powder mildew.... picked up those cuts last night. GG#4, querkle, Sour D. I sprayed them with H2O2 earlier and have had the fan blowing on them.

powdery mildew, i've read, like dry conditions. i feel his basement was extra dry, and he did not have the proper aeration in his veg room. so i'mma keep my veg side around 60% RH, lots of wind, and this stuff for foliar.

Neem would be good to use every other round to coat the leaf and help the cuticle be more resistant to the spores, would you all agree?

 

[Mohican]

Just make sure you add soap to the neem to help it stick and use hot water first and then add cool to make a warm mixture. The neem oil likes to be warm. For soap I use Coco Wet and sometimes plain old Dawn (tiny bit).

 

[ShLUbY]

Just make sure you add soap to the neem to help it stick and use hot water first and then add cool to make a warm mixture. The neem oil likes to be warm. For soap I use Coco Wet and sometimes plain old Dawn (tiny bit).

yeah i made the emulsion with the dr. bronners peppermint last time. i mixed them before i added to the pump sprayer. it seemed to work really well, i'm gonna hit them with the lemon tomorrow, and the next application will be the neem. i'll post a before and after in a couple weeks with these clones. they are kinda rough lol. i had to tear off a lot of the big leaves that had any mildew on them. they'll take a while to rebound but i think they're all gonna make it. i just want the clone the new healthy growth anyway and throw out the plants. dont need anything sticking around on the old stalks

 

[Mohican]

Neem has anti PM abilities too. You can add the lemon to the neem mix and apply it all at once.

 

[ShLUbY]

Neem has anti PM abilities too. You can add the lemon to the neem mix and apply it all at once.

cool, tomorrow i'm pulling all of my veg room out from under the light, and spraying it all down, along with the quarantined clones i have (in another room of course). Thanks Mo. The organic community on this site is top notch. Just want to thank you all for helping me speed up the learning curve, and helping along the way. I'm thinking about starting a thread soon for my garden. be kinda cool to see the vegamatrix transition to living soil in a single thread.

who here runs a 24/0 veg cycle? i've been wondering if i should switch back to 18/6 or 20/4 cycle... maybe i need to do some research on the interwebz....

 

[Mohican]

@doublejj is running his veg 24/0. His look great.

I have heard that they like to have a rest and so I use 18/6 (I am also not in a hurry).

 

[drekoushranada]

cool, tomorrow i'm pulling all of my veg room out from under the light, and spraying it all down, along with the quarantined clones i have (in another room of course). Thanks Mo. The organic community on this site is top notch. Just want to thank you all for helping me speed up the learning curve, and helping along the way. I'm thinking about starting a thread soon for my garden. be kinda cool to see the vegamatrix transition to living soil in a single thread.

who here runs a 24/0 veg cycle? i've been wondering if i should switch back to 18/6 or 20/4 cycle... maybe i need to do some research on the interwebz....

I run 18/6. I seem to get a better structure when I run it that way. But other than that it saves me a little coin on the electric bill.