Serapis
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Then you have absolutely nothing to say that anyone needs to hear.
Reasons to Vote yes on Prop 19
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you are clearly mistaken. prop 215 was written specifically so anybody could get it.
The text of the Prop 215 initiative follows:
Section 1. Section 11362.5 is added to the California Health and Safety Code, to read:
11362.5. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996. (b) (1) The people of the State of California hereby find and declare that the purposes of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 are as follows:
(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the persons health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.
Deprave stated: "#1. Prop 19 does not effect medical users - Stop buying into all these conspiracy theories"
I just read my voter guide and I don't see any protection or even reference to the section for current medical growers or users in the actual text of the law. It does say that in the intent of the law, but it is missing in the actual text. I don't need any theory to conclude that if medical users are not made reference to, then the stated restrictions could apply to them!! People currently legally using medicine!
We are always being tricked by doublespeak propositions that say one thing and do another.
Arnold just signed a law so you don't have to appear in court for small amounts;
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/oct/01/california_governor_signs_mariju
Proposition 19 would restrict how much you can grow and add limits that were just disallowed by the CA Suprme court. Don't be fooled into giving away your rights. You can get a med card for stress for $100 and grow 6 mature or 12 vegetative plants. Try fitting them both into 25 square ft.
Read more here and look at the actual text of the proposed law before you vote http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html
I just read my voter guide and I don't see any protection or even reference to the section for current medical growers or users in the actual text of the law. It does say that in the intent of the law, but it is missing in the actual text. I don't need any theory to conclude that if medical users are not made reference to, then the stated restrictions could apply to them!! People currently legally using medicine!
We are always being tricked by doublespeak propositions that say one thing and do another.
Arnold just signed a law so you don't have to appear in court for small amounts;
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/oct/01/california_governor_signs_mariju
Proposition 19 would restrict how much you can grow and add limits that were just disallowed by the CA Suprme court. Don't be fooled into giving away your rights. You can get a med card for stress for $100 and grow 6 mature or 12 vegetative plants. Try fitting them both into 25 square ft.
Read more here and look at the actual text of the proposed law before you vote http://votetaxcannabis2010.blogspot.com/2010/07/why-pro-pot-activists-oppose-2010-tax.html
Serapis
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I've highlighted in red the begining that many in cali seem to miss.... compassionate Use has nothing to do with allergies, sneezing, insomnia, colds, anxiety, etc. I believe that Medical Marijuana should include anything that a physician believes that marijuana may ease, but currently, that is not the case. The law is vague..... what exactly is an illness? Trouble sleeping? allergies? cancer? I hardly consider the first two serious illnesses, as defined by the law, but people in ali can go buy cards just for having the cash and you know as well as I do that it is happening. Let me repeat section 11362.5 for you....
"(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes"
This is being abused. To claim it is not is ludicrous. That is why 19 should be voted into law to allow ANYONE that wants to grow or buy MJ.
Serapis
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read the proposed statute, sections 6, 7 and 8. It specifically exempts those under 11362.5 It says so word for word.....
Again, another "medical" user (stress? come on, we all deal with stress) that would deny others the right to grow. I'm tired of the "I've got mine" attitude that some of you are exhibiting. As I stated earlier, it seems to be misinformed abusers of 215 that are mostly against 19.
To set the record straight, I feel anyone should be able to use marijuana for whatever purpose they desire. It is a plant that was placed on the planet by God. In Genesis, he says that every seeded herb was placed on the planet to benefit man. Marijuana is not an accident or a freak of nature.
What I despise is those that would abuse a compassionate marijuana system for serious illnesses and then protest against 19, even when it specifically states that 11362.5 overrides 19. Just because you are stressed, or have bad nerves or anxiety is no reason to go to one of the clinics that advertise for the purpose of obtaining 215 papers. Yet many people have done so, and then they would deny the right of others that don't have cards to grow or enjoy marijuana legally.
It sickens my stomach.....
Vote yes on 19
The Ruiner
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You dont find at all hypocritical to think that just because of the utilitarian healing nature of cannabis that for some reason to fully utilize its potential is "abuse"? Why is it abuse? Should those people that got cards for other ailments just be forced to use convential medications instead? Would you not prefer that people use cannabis? I dont understand your logic, or position. Just because it works for a lot of different applications, and you dont seem to agree with it doesnt diminish its importance to those that use it.
You can have your opinions, it just doesnt make them right.
The Ruiner
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tc1
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Laws designed to supersede old laws or parts of old laws must be expressed and can not be implied. This has been ruled by the courts.
FACT
The Ruiner
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Misinformed how? Because we refuse to accept the propaganda? Because you have told us so many times about the "explicit exemptions" that are neither explicit or exemptions?
Furthermore, I have done a damn fine job in my thread illustrating how it makes no sense for 19 to leave 215 intact...the two simply cannot and will not co-exist.
The Ruiner's Hypothetical Questions to Prop 19 Supporters...check it out...I even give you the benefit of the doubt about 215 staying intact if 19 passes...no one can answer these questions...no one can present any case worth its salt that 19 can serve any beneficial purpose to the state if 215 is intact. I encourage you to try.
Serapis
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read my post again. You specifically left out the portion that would have answered your questions. Selective editing for the loss.
The Ruiner
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dude...my set up is a 400 watt hps...my box is a 4x4...what the hell can I gain from 19 failing? I am a hobbyist grower that prefers the company of plants instead of city full of strangers...
And I did explain the contradictions here....
The Ruiner
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Serapis
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How much weed can the average Joe legally carry on him right now in Cali? ZERO?
So the new law would allow one to carry up to 28 grams with no legal repercussions? How much was allowed before to Joe Public? Zip, zero, nada, nil....
How big were pre 19 gardens? 0 square feet! 215 gardens are a different entity. A post 19 grow will be 25' feet. Thats more room than a lot of grow journal participants are using now. Hell, I'm only using 9 square feet in my closet grow.
So the new law would allow one to carry up to 28 grams with no legal repercussions? How much was allowed before to Joe Public? Zip, zero, nada, nil....
How big were pre 19 gardens? 0 square feet! 215 gardens are a different entity. A post 19 grow will be 25' feet. Thats more room than a lot of grow journal participants are using now. Hell, I'm only using 9 square feet in my closet grow.
The Ruiner
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And where do you live again? What is your interest in california politics? You dont find it all selfish to ask of people to risk their personal freedoms and protections for the sake of your own desires? Dont give me some BS about the "exemptions" we are WAY passed that...Think about it for a second from another persons perspective. Would you want to have to forfeit your rights out of FORCE? Because of a deceptive piece of legislation? Would you like it if you had to pay money to cultivate your own medicine? If 19 didnt call for the sacrifice of prop 215 then there wouldnt be any sort of contentious debate.
Think about it: a guy with 15 years of experience of CA-MMJ laws comes up with a bill like 19? I dont necessarily smell the good intentions in the air.
Serapis
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I've made my points. You have yet to make any substantial thoughts that back your theory. You spread myth, I look at facts and read words. You guess what "might" happen and I work to make change.
Again, asking where I'm from or where my interests lie is not part of the discussion. Try giving factual reasons to vote no. You don't have any.
Again, asking where I'm from or where my interests lie is not part of the discussion. Try giving factual reasons to vote no. You don't have any.
tardis
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Unfortunatly the commercial weed growers have come to become the evil corporations that feed on Americans and punish their prey. Like Goldman Sachs, or Halliburton. They dont care if people who use their product go to jail, die or lose someone they love to gang violence... They probly would laugh at it. They care about the money in their pocket and to them witnessing you go to jail is just a bonus.
This is a country where we should be free to do whatever we want as long as we don't harm others. LIberty and Pursuit of happiness. Im just waiting for the day when one of you gets arrested for eating more fast food than legally allowed.
you missed the OR and several of the things you say aren't worthy are listed in the wording, including headaches and asthma.
you can deny it all you want, but you are still wrong. prop 215 was written so anyone could get a card. and it IS a dr who prescribes it, not a law.