So have made QWISO now and well did it fast for purest extract. 20 seconds with 99% iso. Quick question before I go further is, the stuff I made melts when out of freezer fast! gets so sticky so quick really really impossible to work with easy so my question is why does it look like other pics of concentrates on here don't look melted??? Did or am I doing something wrong? Read everything and well can't imagine. Can't also imagine why anyone would make it because well it is nasty! and it takes such a set up if you don't just use hot knives to get it to burn. Real nasty and I just can't imagine why make this unless maybe to mix with pg and vape liguid it in a pen. So help me understand what is up thanks..
QWISO Why oh WHY??!
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B166ER420
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20 sec...with 99%......What's the quality of your herb?You using buds,trim....shitty weed?Where are you ,in the desert?If I have mine in my pocket it will melt together.You are doing something wrong if you have "such a setup".I put mine in a gallon freezer bag,squirt in some 91% iso and squish it around for 20seconds,snip the corner and let it drain into my Pyrex dishes.If I'm using grinded buds i'll strain it.Whole popcorn buds....fuck it...I don't strain it.
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Not sure what you are asking but can't see an answer as to why and or if QWISO won't melt doing it some other way than this. The way I did it was the way best stated on every site so here it is.
Very dank dro totally frosted trim/bud leaves that could be left on and marketed, that is how good they are so just like great bud itself. Dryed then frozen just like the ISO 99%. All in freezer then plant matter put in mason jar, covered with iso, shaken for 20 seconds the dumped through a large strainer, then a mesh one and then two paper coffee filters. Goes in pyrex dish, fan blowing over till completely dry and only film of extract on dish. Razored it off and it was like a fine yellowish powder. Scraping it around to get it all together it started already to melt. Put back into freezer on wax paper. Comes out of freezer a frozen greenish to goldish glob that melts and gets so sticky so fast. That clear it up for you? So what can you see I did wrong or what would be the way?? that would make it stay unmelted?? Can't see a thing, and I have read it all, that says to do it any different really so thanks if you can help..
Very dank dro totally frosted trim/bud leaves that could be left on and marketed, that is how good they are so just like great bud itself. Dryed then frozen just like the ISO 99%. All in freezer then plant matter put in mason jar, covered with iso, shaken for 20 seconds the dumped through a large strainer, then a mesh one and then two paper coffee filters. Goes in pyrex dish, fan blowing over till completely dry and only film of extract on dish. Razored it off and it was like a fine yellowish powder. Scraping it around to get it all together it started already to melt. Put back into freezer on wax paper. Comes out of freezer a frozen greenish to goldish glob that melts and gets so sticky so fast. That clear it up for you? So what can you see I did wrong or what would be the way?? that would make it stay unmelted?? Can't see a thing, and I have read it all, that says to do it any different really so thanks if you can help..
yeah just about what I expected to get. My house temps are not high. It is not even in the house when it melts and dude it is winter in the garage and well yes, right as I was scraping it off the pyrex dish it started to melt and that was a frozen pyrex dish. After the iso had evaped I froze it and 1 hour late scraped. At 60 degrees in the area it melted as I scraped it into a pile. No I did nothing wrong so all I can think is it is exactly how it is for everyone that does it this way. No way I see it stays different just because people want to say it does. I did it! I used the right method! I did nothing different so must all be nonsense. Anyway. At this melted, sticky point, and i have read it is sticky as shit so don't get the whole powder thing but only way to use it now is to get a set up with a torch and a globe etc etc. Lot of work for really nothing and well to much like using hard drugs for my tastes. Like smoking crack;
B166ER420
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http://rollitup.org/t/qwizos-qwiso.831286/
Powdery......well maybe more like sugar.....or cocaine...I smoke my qwiso in a glass steamroller with ss brillo...just like a crackhead
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Thundercat
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First off it sounds like from your last sentence that your just a troll wanting to bash extracts.... however I'll add my 2 cents.
So I've been making qwiso for about 2 years now. My process is simple and very similar to what you did. I do at least one extraction a week, sometimes multiple. I've ran the exact same material in all 4 seasons at this point and have made some observations.
First whats wrong with yours is simple it still has a little bit of water in it. That's why its still gooey. I actually like this texture for certain things, it can be warmed just a little and easily spread on a joint or blunt paper. It also melts into a bowl of weed very nicely for an extra booster.
Now what I've noticed making it myself is that in the winter even though there is less humidity in the air making it drier, the extra low temps seem to make it harder to get that very last bit of water out. My last batch came out with about 20% of the dish staying slightly gooey. I expect as it sits in my cupboard over the next week that it will turn into wax. Which is the second observation I've had on making qwiso. When I get a batch that stays more pliable, it typically turns into wax after a few days to a week of sitting at room temp. I've had it happen faster if I'm carrying it around in my pocket a lot and it heats and cools frequently.
As far as how to smoke it there is lots of ways. I find the most effective way is a torch and a nail, it gives a great hit that lasts for hours. Its like smoking a whole bowl in about 1 minute without making the whole house smell like weed smoke. Mixing it with vape juice is a GREAT way to be incognito and smoke in public. I enjoy walking around the grocery store vaping and no one having a clue. A little oil on a joint or blunt paper does a nice job of really kicking it up a level, but you don't get to enjoy the taste of the oil then.
Really though until you've had a good dab off a hot nail you might not appreciate oil as much as others. I made oil before I dabbed, but as soon as I tried it off a nail I bought one.
So I've been making qwiso for about 2 years now. My process is simple and very similar to what you did. I do at least one extraction a week, sometimes multiple. I've ran the exact same material in all 4 seasons at this point and have made some observations.
First whats wrong with yours is simple it still has a little bit of water in it. That's why its still gooey. I actually like this texture for certain things, it can be warmed just a little and easily spread on a joint or blunt paper. It also melts into a bowl of weed very nicely for an extra booster.
Now what I've noticed making it myself is that in the winter even though there is less humidity in the air making it drier, the extra low temps seem to make it harder to get that very last bit of water out. My last batch came out with about 20% of the dish staying slightly gooey. I expect as it sits in my cupboard over the next week that it will turn into wax. Which is the second observation I've had on making qwiso. When I get a batch that stays more pliable, it typically turns into wax after a few days to a week of sitting at room temp. I've had it happen faster if I'm carrying it around in my pocket a lot and it heats and cools frequently.
As far as how to smoke it there is lots of ways. I find the most effective way is a torch and a nail, it gives a great hit that lasts for hours. Its like smoking a whole bowl in about 1 minute without making the whole house smell like weed smoke. Mixing it with vape juice is a GREAT way to be incognito and smoke in public. I enjoy walking around the grocery store vaping and no one having a clue. A little oil on a joint or blunt paper does a nice job of really kicking it up a level, but you don't get to enjoy the taste of the oil then.
Really though until you've had a good dab off a hot nail you might not appreciate oil as much as others. I made oil before I dabbed, but as soon as I tried it off a nail I bought one.
B166ER420
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Exactly what I thought!....just figured i'd throw it a bone
Thank you for your more thought out answer and your time.
skepler
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After a year of making QWISO, I found something interesting. I dry mine in a Pyrex baking dish, I'm guessing it is about 9" X 12". I use a fan blowing over it, and have a seed warming pad underneath it. If the amount of wash I put in it will yield more than about 3 grams, it will never harden, at least not in a few days. I believe the top skins over and traps ISO and probably some terpenes in a gooey film underneath. I found this out by accident after having several gooey runs, I had a low yielding run where about a pint of liquid yielded 1.5 grams of QWISO, and it was absolute shatter when scraped. I am also suspecting that there is a point where the alcohol is gone and some terpenes remain that keep it soft. This is just a guess from the degradation of the smell from the last gooey state to solid.
Thundercat
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I have not had a run that seemed to still have alcohol in it, the soft texture should only be from water if its really had a full evap. What you've noticed about the volume of oil in the solution changing the evap is very true. That is where the thin film evap comes into play. I like your seed mat method. I evap mine in a pyrex sitting on top of my dehumidifier so that the warm but NEVER hot air moves over the dish. It works great, but I can atest that if its a very high yielding run it is harder to get all the water out. Typically if I give it extra time( a couple days) evaping it will finish up on its own, but usually I use a razor blade and spread out the gooey areas to a thin film and then let it evap another day. Once I scrape it and mush it into a glob in some parchment its lovely.
I am not a troll but thanks. I did it in a very large for the amount that remained in it pyrex dish. The fan stayed on it for 24 hours and all the liquid was gone! Nothing but the yellow film on the pyrex left. With the razor blade it scraped off like a powder before it started to goo up. The dish was quite cold so maybe the moisture came from the freezer and or but if so then it takes very little and I mean VERY LITTLE moisture to turn it to goo. Not even sure why I did it but can't imagine more moisture could have been left other than from the refreezing. Usually just screen off the trics with a small micron silk screen and well get that hash powder that I can heat and press into hash or keep loose and smoke or vape. Don't know if it is any less potent in either form but he goo I tried to combust was a pain and it tasted like shit. No way it was my weed and all was clean when made so taste is not what this is about. Might just make it again and melt it in pg and put in in vape cart and see if that works. Will it by the way? Thanks.. PS my bud is the best bud you can ever find at any price like it or not. Not tooting my own horn. It is not able to be any better and that comes from a former cup judge not just me.. Thanks
B166ER420
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I use multiple dishes for drying....of course the shallower the iso wash the faster it evaporates.I put a a/c filter on top of my dish and put a fan directly on top to speed evap time.I can evap a 1/4inch deep of solution,mix,iso wash in a 9x13 in 4hrs.
Hope that made sense..sometimes I feel like I'm not explaining worth a shit.
Hope that made sense..sometimes I feel like I'm not explaining worth a shit.
skepler
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Interesting that it would be water. The humidity here is often in the 20% range and below, and the wax is hydrophobic, but the air humidity would mix into the alcohol. This is especially true when it is fresh from the wash and ice cold. That always leaves a larger 'white' spot in the rest of the dried yellow film in my dish. But I have had QWISO that remained soft for months, but it was about 1/8-1/4" thick.
Thundercat
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This is just may take based on my experiences. I"m not a chemist like qwizoking if you've read any of his posts. The alcohol should evap off first which would still leave a small amount of water that still needed to evap. If its a thick heavy run its possible the water wasn't completely removed. I've also considered whether barometric preasure during the extraction and the evap could make a difference.
Rattman you've mentioned that you scraped the dish frozen... why? You've said that it started to melt and get gooey as soon as you scraped it. Well if the dish was cold and or frozen you wouldn't notice the gooiness in the first place. I've never made qwiso that didn't taste just like the material it came from, even to the point of being able to taste whether it was fresh trim or dried trim. Sooooo.....
Also something to think about, there is ALWAYS someone that grows it better or danker no matter who told you otherwise. Thinking you've got the best and it can't get better means that it won't get better because you won't open your mind or try......
Rattman you've mentioned that you scraped the dish frozen... why? You've said that it started to melt and get gooey as soon as you scraped it. Well if the dish was cold and or frozen you wouldn't notice the gooiness in the first place. I've never made qwiso that didn't taste just like the material it came from, even to the point of being able to taste whether it was fresh trim or dried trim. Sooooo.....
Also something to think about, there is ALWAYS someone that grows it better or danker no matter who told you otherwise. Thinking you've got the best and it can't get better means that it won't get better because you won't open your mind or try......
Think what you wish. Cup judge knows her weed and mine. I don't give a flip what you think about weed being better than 22.9 % as mine is but you think you can find it at a higher level then let us all know what ones those are. Really I have only heard of 24% thc and well most don't list out at that level because it hardly exists if it does at all. Mine has been tested so it is not just an opinion. The dish was frozen as I said and condensation that froze was on the sides so as it came to room temps real fast that is if anything the water that came into the mix. It melted in under 5 mins after scrape and well call me a liar and go f yourself because I am anything but. That is why I try to leave good advice off this site because of asshole comments like yours. I really could not care less so go f yourself and your ugly pug of a girlfriend. My advice is check for her nuts sack, most likely she is a guy. Good luck.
Just kidding. LOLOLOL... I am just a troll.
Just kidding. LOLOLOL... I am just a troll.
Thundercat
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Lol what a foolish waste of your time. Its sad that children like you bother to sign up here just to act like tools. I'll stick to spending my time growing dank and blowing glass, thanks. I hope your weed stays dank, and your qwiso gets better man.
oilmkr420
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Isopropyl alcohol is perhaps the worst solvent to use, even to reclaim previous smoked oil, it fouls up the reclaim portion leaving a funky taste. Since the isopropyl is a denaturing product, it can not be distilled from the alcohol as they boil away at the same temp. Any residues are a denaturing product so it must be fully evaporated from the extract or a nasty almost fishy taste is left behind. Food grade ethanol is way better as any residues are mainly water, leaving a sweeter extract that is more easily purged and residues acceptable. I stay away from iso as it would give your good name a bad reputation.
oilmkr420
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I love the crackpipe, but isopropyl leaves little to zero reclaim. Extracts made from ethanol leave a more saturated reclaim thats hugely different.View attachment 3339553
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http://rollitup.org/t/qwizos-qwiso.831286/
Powdery......well maybe more like sugar.....or cocaine...I smoke my qwiso in a glass steamroller with ss brillo...just like a crackhead
