QWISO - White Powder?

OldMedUser

Well-Known Member
in case you could not get a "powder":

coconut oil, in what quantity/% should I put it?
First you have to know how much oil you have by weight. Say you have 10g of oil that's probably 60%THC. That gives you 6g of THC or 6000mg. 10mg of THC will get someone unused to edibles a pretty good buzz. I don't care if you smoke an oz of pot a day edibles work different so you'll still feel it and if you are a casual toker 10mg could even make you 'green out' so always go low to start with any edibles you make and wait at least 2 hours before taking any more until you have established how much you can handle. Everybody reacts differently and greening out is no fun unless you like anxiety attacks, nausea and feeling like you're gonna die any second. Any one or all of those symptoms are possible when you OD on edibles. 2oz of hard liquor can mitigate the bad effects pretty fast so one of those little airline bottles is good to have around. Chewing a peppercorn or smelling ground pepper is supposed to settle things down too but I've never tried it.

I have one of those Cap-M-Quik gizmos that holds 50 - '00' caps rated at 0.91ml liquid capacity each. If I want 10mg THC in each that's 500mg total THC. Assuming my oil is 60% THC to get 500mg I would need . . . this might take a min.

I don't want to fill the caps right to the brim to avoid making a mess so call each cap 0.85ml while I try to figure out the math.

500mg x (1/0.6) = 833.333...mg of oil needed. Less than a gram so even small batch producers can make lots of meds or fun caps depending on what you want to use them for.

Now that amount of oil is also 0.84ml as oil is pretty much 1g/ml or CC so not even enough to fill one cap to our 0.85ml level so now we need to know how much carrier oil to add so we can fill all the caps to our 0.85ml level.

50caps x 0.85ml/cap = 42.5ml

42.5ml - 0.84ml oil = 41.66ml of carrier oil needed to mix with the oil to have enough to fill all the caps. Even syringes aren't dead on but measuring spoons can be used to get pretty close. 1 Tbsp is 15ml so 3Tbsps minus a bit, (3ml), gives us around 42ml. 1tsp. is 5ml.

Gonna need a syringe with a short, blunt needle to fill each one. If there's any kind of farm supply store you can get to they sell all sizes of syringes up to and maybe larger than 60cc. Smaller ones even 5ml are easier to handle for jobs like this and the piston usually slides smoothly compared to larger ones. Lube it by sucking up some oil mix then squirt it out a few times so when you try to squeeze out a small amount it slides smoothly with just a little pressure. I have glass ones in 2, 5 and 30ml and they work best. Now I use gummy molds that make 192 - 4ml square gummies tho I use chocolate instead. I got pics too. :)

Don't use coconut oil as it turns solid below 76F. I like using MCT oil which is made from coconut oil but stays liquid at much cooler temps but any oil like olive, grapeseed, hemp etc can be used.

As to the decarb I do that with all the oil on it's own after its all extracted. I could do small amounts mixed with the carrier oil on my hotplate and have many times. An infrared laser thermometer works great to make sure your temp doesn't get too high and decarb bubbles like fine champagne bubbles should start to show around 235F so getting it between 240 - 245 will work and give you a little margin of error to keep from going over 250. A small stainless steel or glass stir stick is good to stir gently especially as the bubbling slows as they may be slow to rise. Before bubbling has completely stopped remove from the heat and the decarb is as good as it's going to get.

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You could just do the math to mix your oil in enough carrier oil to make a batch that will be 10mg per 0.85ml or whatever other dosage you want. Then heat that up and decarb it all at once and use as much or as little as you need like if you are hand filling caps and just want to do 10 at a time or something.

Kind of a crappy chart but gives the volume at the top for a lot of different caps. Dosage is just a guesstimate as you don't know the actual amount of THC in each ml of pot oil. I'll be doing pretty big batches of 2 types of pot. Regular THC pot of many strains, High CBD pot with lower levels of THC of a few strains and just CBD oil made from industrial hemp flowers I got for free from a hemp farm a few miles away. There's a lab in Vancouver that will give me a break as a senior but the usual price to just have potency tested in their pot certified lab is $60 per sample. They need about 1 - 2g per sample and can also test edibles you've made instead of the raw oil.

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:peace:
 

Loller

Member
thank you all for the precious advice!!:

I understand that many of you have a different procedure already from the steps before my CURRENT situation.

surely, when I do it again, it will be different.

but NOW, in the CURRENT SITUATION I would like to understand if my current extract can be transformed into THC.

I followed this guide (with longer times for freezing and evaporation)


where, however, decarboxylation was never discussed.

for this reason, I wondered whether it was possible to achieve this result at this point in my journey.

from what I understand, by adding coconut oil (I have no idea in what percentage) I can bring it to 240 * and activate the THC.. but I think I would get an OIL right?

I was wondering IF there was the possibility of obtaining a powder... if it wasn't possible I'll keep the oil and it's fine anyway!

it means that on the next attempt I will do differently!

now I have just collected all the extract from the large baking dish and put it in a smaller one:
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I don't think there are still residues of ISO and much less of WATER... never added... never used in the extraction process.
 
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OldMedUser

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I was wondering IF there was the possibility of obtaining a powder... if it wasn't possible I'll keep the oil and it's fine anyway!
It can be done but not by the kitchen chemist due to more sophisticated equipment needs.

I suspect one way to do it would be like extracting nicotine, which is oil based like cannabinoids are, like an experiment we did in organic chemistry when I went back to school for a diploma. A sample of tobacco was placed in a 500ml or so boiling ball with citric acid added to convert the oils into a water soluble form. Then it was distilled under vacuum, the sample was collected, converted back to an oil using a base, and confirmed to be nicotine by electrofluoresis using a known pure nicotine standard for comparison.

There's probably a procedure out there and I have all the same equipment we used in that experiment. You would have all the other cannabinoids go along with it I think so even more procedures would have to be used to extract the pure THC like is used in pot drinks etc. I have no idea how they do that.

I might just dig up my old lab books and see exactly how it was done again and maybe try it with some pot and see what happens.

Another little project to put in my job bucket 'cause the job jar wasn't big enough. :)

:peace:
 

Loller

Member
thanks, at this point there will be oil left.

I was wondering if it would be okay to add almond oil and bring it to decarboxylation temperature.

This way, this oil does not solidify as easily as coconut oil..
 

OldMedUser

Well-Known Member
thanks, at this point there will be oil left.

I was wondering if it would be okay to add almond oil and bring it to decarboxylation temperature.

This way, this oil does not solidify as easily as coconut oil..
Almond oil would be a fine choice. It's smoke point is 221C/430F so well above the temp needed to decarb. There are some oild with smoke points lower than 250F but that's in their unrefined versions. All of them are well above when refined.


What part of the planet are you on? I'm in Alberta, Canada pretty far up north. If you know where Fort MacMurray, (the Tar Sands), are I'm about 300km/200miles WWS south of there.

If it works in your vape that'll do but I like little hits of pot in my pipe or edibles. Tried vapes and they don't do much for me.

:peace:
 

Loller

Member
I write from a completely different continent (Italy)

here the topic is not so well seen... there is still a LOT of ignorance...

I use this evaporator:


that I had gotten for my dad to relieve the pain of a bad prostate cancer.... which took him away 3 months ago.
 

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
Thanks so much for the advice, I really appreciate it!

is there any way to "transform" the proceeds into "powder" to use in the capsules (much more practical than oil)
THC-A can be precipitated out in small granules, which can be ground into a powder, but after decarboxylating into THC, it doesn't precipitate crystals.

For a more stable cap, I mixed the decarboxylated essential oil it with coconut oil and corn starch, which turned it into silly putty. I then loaded that mix into 00 caps by weight.

I don't currently have that process published on GWL, but did a deep search into my old Windows 7 drives and found a PCP card that I made as an example for a client at the time:

PROPRIETARY PRODUCT CARD


PPC NONameDateRev.
10.1Cannacap capsules11-15-2013
NO
Operation
10.1.1​
Use 00 gel caps
10.1.1 Weight per cap .06066 grams
10.1.2​
10 mg maximum dosage per cap 10 mg
10.1.3​
Total weigh of fill per cap 690 mg
10.1.4​
100 mg divided by the total THC content from the GC report = Volume of this lot for 10 equivalent standard doses.
10.1.5​
Total Absolute weight divided by one equivalent standard dose = Capsules in lot
10.1.6​
Recipe per 100 10 mg doses: Ratio Quantities
10.1.6.1 Decarboxylated Cannabis Absolute 1 grams ESD
10.1.6.2 Extra virgin Coconut oil 30 mg
10.1.63 Corn Starch 630 grams
10.7​
Process:
10.7.1 Divide 10 mg by THC content from GC analysis to compute Equivalent Standard Dose.

10.7.2 Divide total Absolute weight by equivalent standard dose to get number of molds to fill.

10.7.3 Compute quantities of coconut oil by multiplying oil ESD X .30.

10.7.4 Compute Corn starch required by multiplying oil ESD X .628 .

10.1.7.5 Heat Cannabis absolute to 140F in 200F warming oven.

10.1.7.6 Remove from oven and other ingredients.

10.1.7.7 Place on 140F hotplate, and blend thoroughly.

10.1.7.8 Spatula blend into injection syringe.

10.1.7.9 Place empty capsule bottoms in capsule tray.

10.1.7.10 Inject caps.

10.1.7.11 Weigh and adjust cap

10.1.7.12 Install top cap half.

10.1.7.13 Package 10 to package.

10.1.7.14 Label and shrink wrap per lot router instructions.
 
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Fadedawg

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Note that those cannacaps were 10mg each. That was because there is a wide range of tolerances for THC, et al, so we loaded our caps to allow titration to start at 10 mg and proceed in those increments.

That was also the maximum THC per dose allowed by the local laws where my client was setting up business.

If you are making the caps for yourself and know your dosage, you can adjust accordingly.
 
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Loller

Member
THC-A can be precipitated out in small granules, which can be ground into a powder, but after decarboxylating into THC, it doesn't precipitate crystals.

For a more stable cap, I mixed the decarboxylated essential oil it with coconut oil and corn starch, which turned it into silly putty. I then loaded that mix into 00 caps by weight.

I don't currently have that process published on GWL, but did a deep search into my old Windows 7 drives and found a PCP card that I made as an example for a client at the time:

PROPRIETARY PRODUCT CARD


PPC NONameDateRev.
10.1Cannacap capsules11-15-2013
NO
Operation
10.1.1​
Use 00 gel caps
10.1.1 Weight per cap .06066 grams
10.1.2​
10 mg maximum dosage per cap 10 mg
10.1.3​
Total weigh of fill per cap 690 mg
10.1.4​
100 mg divided by the total THC content from the GC report = Volume of this lot for 10 equivalent standard doses.
10.1.5​
Total Absolute weight divided by one equivalent standard dose = Capsules in lot
10.1.6​
Recipe per 100 10 mg doses: Ratio Quantities
10.1.6.1 Decarboxylated Cannabis Absolute 1 grams ESD
10.1.6.2 Extra virgin Coconut oil 30 mg
10.1.63 Corn Starch 630 grams
10.7​
Process:
10.7.1 Divide 10 mg by THC content from GC analysis to compute Equivalent Standard Dose.

10.7.2 Divide total Absolute weight by equivalent standard dose to get number of molds to fill.

10.7.3 Compute quantities of coconut oil by multiplying oil ESD X .30.

10.7.4 Compute Corn starch required by multiplying oil ESD X .628 .

10.1.7.5 Heat Cannabis absolute to 140F in 200F warming oven.

10.1.7.6 Remove from oven and other ingredients.

10.1.7.7 Place on 140F hotplate, and blend thoroughly.

10.1.7.8 Spatula blend into injection syringe.

10.1.7.9 Place empty capsule bottoms in capsule tray.

10.1.7.10 Inject caps.

10.1.7.11 Weigh and adjust cap

10.1.7.12 Install top cap half.

10.1.7.13 Package 10 to package.

10.1.7.14 Label and shrink wrap per lot router instructions.

thank you very much!
I have some questions:

10.1.3 does it include the total weight between the capsule and its final weight?

10.1.4 GC report what does it mean?

10.1.6.1 what does one gram ESD mean?

10.1.63 (630) grams is a lot... normal?
 

Dboybudz

Well-Known Member
thank you all for the precious advice!!:

I understand that many of you have a different procedure already from the steps before my CURRENT situation.

surely, when I do it again, it will be different.

but NOW, in the CURRENT SITUATION I would like to understand if my current extract can be transformed into THC.

I followed this guide (with longer times for freezing and evaporation)


where, however, decarboxylation was never discussed.

for this reason, I wondered whether it was possible to achieve this result at this point in my journey.

from what I understand, by adding coconut oil (I have no idea in what percentage) I can bring it to 240 * and activate the THC.. but I think I would get an OIL right?

I was wondering IF there was the possibility of obtaining a powder... if it wasn't possible I'll keep the oil and it's fine anyway!

it means that on the next attempt I will do differently!

now I have just collected all the extract from the large baking dish and put it in a smaller one:
View attachment 5368295
View attachment 5368296

I don't think there are still residues of ISO and much less of WATER... never added... never used in the extraction process.
Yea you can smoke that in a pipe or your vape machine then when you make new stuff you won't let it get like that if wanted to
 

Fadedawg

Well-Known Member
thank you very much!
I have some questions:

10.1.3 does it include the total weight between the capsule and its final weight?

10.1.4 GC report what does it mean?

10.1.6.1 what does one gram ESD mean?

10.1.63 (630) grams is a lot... normal?
Not sure what your first question is, but the total weight does include the cap.

GC is Gas Chromatograph report establishing percent THC.

ESD is Established Standard Dose. It takes X grams of the essential oil to equal 1 gram of THC, based on the GC results.
 

Loller

Member
I weighed the first draw (not decarboxylated) and it weighed 6.3 grams. she put it as it was in a bain-marie saucepan, bringing it to 90 * celsius for about 20 minutes.

Then I transferred it to the oven at 120* celsius for 15 minutes. it made several bubbles both large and small... then it stopped.

the mixture looked like this and weighed 5.25 grams.



the caramel remained too sticky, so I added 3 grams of almond oil and now it has a MUCH softer consistency:

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the caramel remained too sticky, so I added 3 grams of almond oil and now it has a MUCH softer consistency:

IMG_8494.jpeg
 

Loller

Member
Not sure what your first question is, but the total weight does include the cap.

GC is Gas Chromatograph report establishing percent THC.

ESD is Established Standard Dose. It takes X grams of the essential oil to equal 1 gram of THC, based on the GC results.
thank you very much, sorry for my ignorance, I'm still learning
 

Loller

Member
Last night at 10 PM I tried a small tip of a toothpick.... apparently it didn't do anything... 5/6 hours later (at night in bed it exploded)... I'm still running out of effects now 5:30 PM ...

the strength he has is crazy...
 
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