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Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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Why would his 'brothers in arms' all conspire to lie about him? /QUOTE]
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"The sense of pride expressed by officials of the Obama administration at the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl is not shared by many of those who served with him: veterans and soldiers who call him a deserter whose "selfish act" ended up costing the lives of better men.

According to firsthand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera and a diary.

At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for him, according to soldiers involved in the operations to find him. "

- http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/
 
TonightYou

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natro.hydro said:
I was just wathcing the boys last night for old times sake thinking about when the new season was gonna drop and woke up and the new season is on netflix this morning. I almost called into work today thats how excited I was lol
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In about two hours I'll be drunk as fuck, making dirty burgers, and getting hella stoned with my boys.
 
Amos Otis

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TonightYou said:
I don't think we are really disagreeing here. I'm simply stating the process and facts, not some dude on TV spewing shit, true or not, is how things should be dealt with.

I'm not a fan of arm chairing the judicial process. Shit, most people don't even know a damn thing about it.

Perhaps you don't trust the idea of due process, that's on you. In a civilized society, such as our own, we have rule of law. In this case it should be abided by, not ignorant conjecture.
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Actually, I am very much disagreeing.

You won't as much as make a guess as to what could have possibly happened, other than the accounts of his fellow service mates [plural] and veterans. Sometimes your comments would be bizarre if I didn't already know from what perspective you look at things.

8 servicemen being interviewed at the same time, and telling the same version of events, is not "some dude on TV spewing shit". Nor is it "ignorant conjecture".

You have a habit of using "ignorant" and "idiot" when speaking of people holding views that you do not. An elitest approach that somehow let's you call honorable men ignorant spotlight seekers, while patting Obama on the tush for setting 5 top terrorists free.

As I referenced earlier - the enemies of this country count on - actually take for granted - that folks like you see right as wrong, and wrong as probably not and certainly not always.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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Amos Otis said:
Actually, I am very much disagreeing.

You won't as much as make a guess as to what could have possibly happened, other than the accounts of his fellow service mates [plural] and veterans. Sometimes your comments would be bizarre if I didn't already know from what perspective you look at things.

8 servicemen being interviewed at the same time, and telling the same version of events, is not "some dude on TV spewing shit". Nor is it "ignorant conjecture".

You have a habit of using "ignorant" and "idiot" when speaking of people holding views that you do not. An elitest approach that somehow let's you call honorable men ignorant spotlight seekers, while patting Obama on the tush for setting 5 top terrorists free.

As I referenced earlier - the enemies of this country count on - actually take for granted - that folks like you see right as wrong, and wrong as probably not and certainly not always.
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Ignorant is not a simile for stupid. I don't mean it as a negative term, it isn't by definition one. I call a spade a spade and if I meant idiot, I'd have used that term.

I don't have TV, well technically I have TV's, I just don't use my cable box. Been done with TV news for almost 3 years, and I don't miss it one bit to be honest. I can't stand commercials, so I torrent/legally stream what I like to watch. Not an elitist thing, I don't need people trying to sell me stuff that I don't need. Plus I don't need 10 minutes of wasted time from a 30 minute show.

Anyways moving on from that side track, I'm going on what's been written. He has a history of leaving his post in the past, and if he indeed left it this time I do hope he is charged. Do we disagree on this point?

I don't know how many soldiers went on TV and made claims, actual or otherwise. To me again, it doesn't matter. I care about what comes next, and how it's handled legally.
 
Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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TonightYou said:
Anyways moving on from that side track, I'm going on what's been written. He has a history of leaving his post in the past, and if he indeed left it this time I do hope he is charged. Do we disagree on this point?
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Sort of. Some of his comrades are dead - killed while searching for him. Many others will die because released terrorists have returned to the battle.

If trading 5 top jihadist war criminals was the only way to get him back, then Bergdahl would still be there were it up to me. An entirely different matter had he been captured while serving honorably. He wasn't, and many have said that was widely known. Obama desperately needed some positive PR, and some people........bought into the "no American left behind" B/S claims he made.

Which leads me to ask you again - why is an honorably discharged vet still sitting in Mexican jail after 6 months in captivity?


TonightYou said:
I don't know how many soldiers went on TV and made claims, actual or otherwise.
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Then I have to wonder why you spoke as though you had:

"The quotes by his alleged soldiers are hearsay. A military court is the only thing I will pay attention to. They are an authority, not some private grunt looking for a moment in the sun. "
" I'm simply stating the process and facts, not some dude on TV spewing shit, true or not, is how things should be dealt with. "

If you didn't know of the number of soldiers, then you didn't see their interview, and your comments "some private grunt/dude looking for 'a moment in the sun/spewing shit", are what - your best guess?

You probably trashed the 'Swift Boaters', right? What about the 3 CIA contracters who just went public about Benghazi? Did you see/hear them? I guess if you didn't or did, it wouldn't shade your opinion. Just more glory seekers? Is the concept of honor and conscience foreign to you?

TY - different folks / different views is fine. I think we've proven that friends can wildly disagree on some things and still be amigos.

But next time we're 'dabating issues', give me a heads up when your putting viewpoints out about things you've not seen/read or heard

^ I have no idea why this is formatting this way lo siento - again, I ain't re-typing it. >:(
 
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TonightYou

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Amos Otis said:
Sort of. Some of his comrades are dead - killed while searching for him. Many others will die because released terrorists have returned to the battle.

If trading 5 top jihadist war criminals was the only way to get him back, then Bergdahl would still be there were it up to me. An entirely different matter had he been captured while serving honorably. He wasn't, and many have said that was widely known. Obama desperately needed some positive PR, and some people........bought into the "no American left behind" B/S claims he made.

Which leads me to ask you again - why is an honorably discharged vet still sitting in Mexican jail after 6 months in captivity?




Then I have to wonder why you spoke as though you had:

"The quotes by his alleged soldiers are hearsay. A military court is the only thing I will pay attention to. They are an authority, not some private grunt looking for a moment in the sun. "
" I'm simply stating the process and facts, not some dude on TV spewing shit, true or not, is how things should be dealt with. "

If you didn't know of the number of soldiers, then you didn't see their interview, and your comments "some private grunt/dude looking for 'a moment in the sun/spewing shit", are what - your best guess?

You probably trashed the 'Swift Boaters', right? What about the 3 CIA contracters who just went public about Benghazi? Did you see/hear them? I guess if you didn't or did, it wouldn't shade your opinion. Just more glory seekers? Is the concept of honor and conscience foreign to you?

TY - different folks / different views is fine. I think we've proven that friends can wildly disagree on some things and still be amigos.

But next time we're 'dabating issues', give me a heads up when your putting viewpoints out about things you've not seen/read or heard

^ I have no idea why this is formatting this way lo siento - again, I ain't re-typing it. >:(
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Lol you and that formatting!

I get you man, I enjoy engaging with others holding different view points, and I wouldn't engage with you if I wasn't interested in your opinion.

I don't think everyone is an attention seeker either. I simply weigh credibility highly. Good thing about the Internet is we can always link to information.

Swift boating? That was actually a brilliant use of PAC. It wasn't a truth but it damaged his credibility, which I may add really has little to do, particularly with regards to his accomplishments up to that point, on being president. Wind sailing didn't help either.

For instance, I think Snowden isn't necessarily seeking attention, although I'm not fond of him. I am glad he blew the whistle, making the public aware of where are tax dollars are being wasted while our privacy is degraded. Him going to Russia is fucking dumb.

Always multiple sides to every story. Objectivity is strive for yet rarely obtained.

It's always nice to exchange views and challenge ones own. I enjoy our conversations for the most part ;)
 
Amos Otis

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World on fire updates:

" Islamic State fighters besieged a Kurdish city in northern Syria on Thursday after seizing 21 villages in a major assault, prompting a call to arms from Kurds in neighboring Turkey" - http://news.yahoo.com/drone-seen-over-islamic-state-held-territory-aleppo-082300565.html

"British aid worker David Haines has been beheaded — like two American journalists before him — and the Islamic State group is threatening to kill a fourth captive."
- http://www.denverpost.com/nationworld/ci_26534155/britain-mourns-slain-hostage-david-haines-another-under?source=rss

"Australian authorities have charged two people and arrested several more in a massive sting operation over an alleged Islamic State-related plot to abduct and publicly behead a member of the public in Sydney."
- http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/terrorism-security/2014/0918/Islamic-State-extends-reach-Australia-thwarts-alleged-terror-plot

"This is the first time Islamic State, or ISIS, forces have shown the ability to shoot down a fast-moving military jet -- and that could pose a danger for the U.S. and coalition forces using the same type of plane to bomb ISIS targets. "
- http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-shoots-down-syrian-regime-jet-worrying-us-coalition-1690024

"The patrol arrests him and tried to force him to convert to Islam, but he completely refused. Thus, the militants beat him and tortured him until he died in their hands," the relative explained.
- http://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-beaten-tortured-and-killed-by-isis-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam-125779/

"The land is filled with crimes of blood, and the cities are full of violence."
- Ezekial 7:23
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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Well, I'm so glad we've armed these bastards! Great job state department for making Iraq a bigger fucking mess than it ever was.

Remember ideas don't die, only people do.
 
TonightYou

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Pass it Around said:
I just dont get how people are ok with arming rebel terrorists.
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It's proxy fighting. We've (US) have been doing it since the beginning of the cold war. We've done it in Africa, South America, parts of eastern Europe and Asia.

It's easier to have someone else do the desired dirty work than for directly insert oneself.

Eta: basically what Russia is doing in the Ukraine now. Usually we are a tad more opaque in how we do it.
 
Amos Otis

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TonightYou said:
Usually we are a tad more opaque in how we do it.
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LOL. Right you are - finally something transparent from Obama. But he forced his own hand by severely weakening the military. What was done for covenience and stealth, is now done because of need. [ let that sink in for a moment ]

The one storyline I didn't post in the update earlier, is an 'jihadist expert' - can't recall his name, but he's got cred - saying that the beheadings and torture are all designed to suck in the US military to the region. Again. This would serve two goals:

[1] hoping to unite the regional Muslims who now currently oppose ISIS extremism into one anti-American coalition, and

[2] simultaneously weakening the United States' ability to cope with major attacks and the following civil chaos within it's own borders.

People should be alarmed, I think, but it's more comfortable not to be. Meanwhile, the POTUS continues to play along.....
 
TonightYou

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It's a power vacuum, which allows these type of violence groups to prosper.

Iraq has been a mess since before we got there. Bush's bone headed lies that dragged us in there is the major cause of this mess.

Iraq really should be three different countries.
 
Amos Otis

Amos Otis

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TonightYou said:
Iraq has been a mess since before we got there. Bush's bone headed lies that dragged us in there is the major cause of this mess.
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The whole Bush thing: did he lie, or did he act on bad intelligence? - is an argument 10 years deep. It will never be resolved beyond partisan opinions.

True, or not true, it doesn't change the present crisis: surviving two more years current leadership.

 
Pass it Around

Pass it Around

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Amos Otis said:
The whole Bush thing: did he lie, or did he act on bad intelligence? - is an argument 10 years deep. It will never be resolved beyond partisan opinions.

True, or not true, it doesn't change the present crisis: surviving two more years current leadership.

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TonightYou

TonightYou

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Amos Otis said:
The whole Bush thing: did he lie, or did he act on bad intelligence? - is an argument 10 years deep. It will never be resolved beyond partisan opinions.

True, or not true, it doesn't change the present crisis: surviving two more years current leadership.

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Dude, we all know that there was no WMD. people in the intelligence community have stated that prior to us going in. The UN, and NATO said the same thing...

If anything incompetence was on the bush administration, least we also forget the financial crisis.

I'll say Obama administration has been incompetent with regards to prosecution of the bankers.
 
Amos Otis

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TonightYou said:
Dude, we all know that there was no WMD. people in the intelligence community have stated that prior to us going in. The UN, and NATO said the same thing...
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Gonna need some credible facts, here. AKA - not the UN. :roll:

As I recall, prior to going in, the intelligence was supported by Germany and England, as well as having bipartisan support.
 
TonightYou

TonightYou

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Amos Otis said:
Gonna need some credible facts, here. AKA - not the UN. :roll:

As I recall, prior to going in, the intelligence was supported by Germany and England, as well as having bipartisan support.
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The UK got dragged in because Blair and bush were very close. Hardly a "consensus" anyway you cut it
 
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